The Energon Pub

Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:You know, I just realized something; with the legacy toy line giving both TF Cybertron characters, as well as obscure characters...

It might be his time!

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Hey, good to know I'm not the only one who remembers him? Maybe make him a Velocitronian 2-pack with a smaller Deluxe, like maybe Ransack?

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

grimdragon2001 wrote:The female figures who are normally repaints of male characters like Road Rage and Burnout, built from the ground up with 100% new sculpts that have proper female proportions.

To be honest, that creeps me out. Ever since Blackarachnia's sexualised physique in Beast Wars. I prefer the other way around. Because it wouldn't make a difference to a race of alien robots...



Strika being the perfect example. I wish all the Fem Bots were re-designed like her and less ..Kiss Player/stripper.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

grimdragon2001 wrote:Wouldn't that be the Michael Bay stuff then? I remember a lot of people disliking those designs, and those of Beast Machines.

Personally I would be fine with more obviously alien designs though. Thing is, if the characters are going to be based on humanoid forms, then one should be able to look at a female character without any context what so ever and see a female character. And looking female doesn't automatically mean sexualized.

The main problem with the Bayformers designs (aside from awful visual gags) was their lack of a vibrant colour palette.
I've always championed that the Vehicon's were the purest vision of what Cybertronians should look like.

Beyond my bugbear that gender shouldn't be applied to robots in the first place.
I'll point out an iconic female character:



Crasher - GoBots
Pretty sure she predates Elita-1, Arcee et al

Fast forward to Blackarachnia:





I'm not going to demonstrate half of the search engine results for BA or any of the subsequent FemBot designs, to make my point. There is a difference between looking feminine and sexualised. Robots with boobs and curved thighs, to me falls directly into the latter.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:It's creepy where ever it is applied. Transformers are only humanoid as they are bipedal. Humanising them visually, in that way, caters to a certain demographic and nothing more.

While I'd also appreciate more alien designs (on both factions, having just one of them with the non-human features just makes the whole conflict sound a bit racist/speciest instead of ideological), as well as more non-conventional female molds that aren't just a male remolded/repainted (specifically Strika, much like the other Vehicon Generals), and I'm certainly against the oversexualization of Transformers, in any gender, I'm not quite as radical against their humanization and differentiation, mostly due to these points:
1) Many versions of Transformers aren't just robots, they're living robots; basically living beings that happen to be made of metal, using nanomachines for cells and programs for DNA. These versions would probably be a lot closer to biological beings in how they function than the usual "AI suddenly gained sentience" examples, including sexual dimorphism.

2) Often Transformers adopt favorite elements of the cultures they visit (like Jazz's passion for music, or Eject's sports enthusiasm), and are known to modify or even replace their bodies. Would it be that difficult to believe they'd modify their bodies to fit a gendered shape just because they like the aesthetic? Particularly in the case of Blackarachnia, where it's apparently standard practice for starships to scan and mimic local organic lifeforms (and by the time of BM the scanners've been integrated into their own bodies).

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:Anything else known about the character (like was he separate from Megatron?) or is the drawing all we have?

Unless this image featured in one of the Almanacs. The drawing is all I've been able to find. But, considering Cyclonus' entry (Via TFWiki):

Cyclonus appeared out of nowhere in a storm of light and tachyons over New Kaon. As Scalpel reassembled him, he noted his immense power, that his internal chronometer was off by megacycles, that he constantly muttered about someone named "Galvatron", and that — perhaps most peculiarly of all — his sourcecode shared Starscream's "self preservation" algorithms, albeit commented out. Cyclonus soon swore allegiance to Megatron, but seemingly in the abstract

I'd say Galvatron's origins appear G1 faithful too. Which in turns of design is odd.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:That is odd compared to what else Animated was doing with the characters.

Maybe that Galvatron would have come from the G1 universe, for a multiverse ark in Animated.

If I recall correctly, there was an interview where Derrick J. Wyatt (RIP) where he said while he'd never appear in the show, Animated Unicron existed within canon and was closer to the G1 cartoon incarnation of massive-weapon-gone-wrong.

Incidentally, Violen Jiger was his creator here! Seriously!

Also regarding simplified/potential Titans, if I may present a suggestion:


And would be anyone interested in a R.E.D. of robot Sari or Meltdown? Or one of the many anti-Transformers mechs?

MaximalNui wrote:If I recall correctly, there was an interview where Derrick J. Wyatt (RIP) where he said while he'd never appear in the show, Animated Unicron existed within canon and was closer to the G1 cartoon incarnation of massive-weapon-gone-wrong.

Incidentally, Violen Jiger was his creator here! Seriously!

That would explain the very G1 rendition. It's a shame. Megatron was characterised very well in Animated. It could have been interesting to see how that contrast between them would have been portrayed. Still I'd love to see a figure in that design. Animated Cyclonus too. Now that enough time since Universe Cyclonus has passed. Hopefully Hasbro wouldn't turn it down again.

MaximalNui wrote:And would be anyone interested in a R.E.D. of robot Sari or Meltdown? Or one of the many anti-Transformers mechs?

I couldn't care less about R.E.D. and putting human characters in it would be terrible for scale compared to other characters from any line (including other R.E.D.s) unless they're significantly smaller than the other R.E.D.s, but I recall someone on the Legacy thread a ways back had the idea of a Core Class upgraded Sari that turns into her scooter and we all loved it.

Nemesis Primal wrote: but I recall someone on the Legacy thread a ways back had the idea of a Core Class upgraded Sari that turns into her scooter and we all loved it.

That brought this to mind, for some reason. Just slap Sari's face on front I guess?

Nemesis Primal wrote:

MaximalNui wrote:And would be anyone interested in a R.E.D. of robot Sari or Meltdown? Or one of the many anti-Transformers mechs?

I couldn't care less about R.E.D. and putting human characters in it would be terrible for scale compared to other characters from any line (including other R.E.D.s) unless they're significantly smaller than the other R.E.D.s, but I recall someone on the Legacy thread a ways back had the idea of a Core Class upgraded Sari that turns into her scooter and we all loved it.

SCALE in R.E.D?
You clearly haven't been paying attention.

Yeah, RED isn't the line for Scale (if it aligns, take it as a miracle rather than by design).

It is the perfect like for bot modes that are impossible to accurately bring from the screen to toys without some sort of compromise...

It is the perfect like for bot modes that are impossible to accurately bring from the screen to toys without some sort of compromise...

Exactly, or botanica for instance. Especially stylised designs like Animated.

Imagine if Hasbro announced that they were finally giving us Animated Omega Supreme but under their breath say "in the RED line."

Botanica would be ideal for RED. Considering she doesn't really have an altmode. More akin to a battle mode.

ZeroWolf wrote:Exactly, or botanica for instance. Especially stylised designs like Animated.

Imagine if Hasbro announced that they were finally giving us Animated Omega Supreme but under their breath say "in the RED line."

Kinda like they did for "G1" Unicron in Super7.
Still, it would be better than nothing.

I'd really love to have a R.E.D Sari Sumdak though. A 2 pack with her younger self and her evolved form. As for her evolved form, an alternate helmetless head.

ZeroWolf wrote:Imagine if Hasbro announced that they were finally giving us Animated Omega Supreme but under their breath say "in the RED line."

-Kanrabat- wrote:Still, it would be better than nothing.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

Nemesis Primal wrote: but I recall someone on the Legacy thread a ways back had the idea of a Core Class upgraded Sari that turns into her scooter and we all loved it.

That brought this to mind, for some reason. Just slap Sari's face on front I guess?

I think the original idea was for her bot armor to turn into a scooter for the regular young Sari under the armor.

Emerje

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Nemesis Primal wrote:

MaximalNui wrote:And would be anyone interested in a R.E.D. of robot Sari or Meltdown? Or one of the many anti-Transformers mechs?

I couldn't care less about R.E.D. and putting human characters in it would be terrible for scale compared to other characters from any line (including other R.E.D.s) unless they're significantly smaller than the other R.E.D.s, but I recall someone on the Legacy thread a ways back had the idea of a Core Class upgraded Sari that turns into her scooter and we all loved it.

SCALE in R.E.D?
You clearly haven't been paying attention.

I already said I couldn't care less about the line, of course I haven't paid attention to it. Doesn't change the fact that a figure of Sari that's that tall is just a waste, especially when we know they can do characters like that as Cores instead a la SS86 Spike. The only possible human character I can think of that could get away with being that big would be Miko in the Apex Armor, and I wouldn't even buy that if it was still made with the same crappy materials as every other R.E.D. figure.

The point of having human characters action figures would NOT to interact with Transformers but to be posable, be highly detailed, and interact with other human characters. They only could do the Movie Human Alliance figures and the MP ones As for now as far as human action figures go. (Also, the upcoming Joes but those barely count). Sure they could interact with Transformers, but their tiny size made them poorly articulated, poorly detailed, and poorly built. If you want just that with the compromise that go with it, that's fine.





You also love those "army men" Sams from SS?



There's many human characters who had an important role in the TF universe and it would be pretty nice to have Marvel Legends sized action figures that are of high quality and highly detailed.

So far Gutto Kuru made two from the Masterforce universe. Those figures and pretty big and awesome. I have Ginrai. So I'd love to have more in this style.



A Sari Sumdak like this would be awesome.

As for a transformable Core Class Sari, unless she's reimagined into the G1verse as a human riding a powersuit, she would be way too big to be in any scale with Generations.

-Kanrabat- wrote:There's many human characters who had an important role in the TF universe and it would be pretty nice to have Marvel Legends sized action figures that are of high quality and highly detailed.

This has been a debate before. For me, it's in the name:



They are the focus. The only times humanoid characters matter in Transformers, when they should receive decent figures. Would be when they are Head/Target/Powermasters. Otherwise, stick figures would suffice.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:They are the focus. The only times humanoid characters matter in Transformers, when they should receive decent figures. Would be when they are Head/Target/Powermasters. Otherwise, stick figures would suffice.

Well, that's on you.

They keep making non-transformable action figures of Transformers, so why not making actions figures of humans and characters that never transform?

It would not make any difference to you because you won't buy them anyway.

Also, just a reminder.
This thread is about Transformers (and toys) you want but you know HASTAK will never make.
Not "The thread of things I will never buy".

You'll note even the bottle-of-the-creative-barrel Actionmasters didn't feature any humans either.

So yes, quite right. Human figures definitely belong in this thread. They would shelfwarm and shelfwarm hard.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:So yes, quite right. Human figures definitely belong in this thread. They would shelfwarm and shelfwarm hard.

Unfortunately, that's the reality. ¯\_(◔-◔)_/¯

The fact that,after all these years, Gutto Kuru never made more Transformers related human characters after those two Masterforce ones is proof enough. Those were aimed at the hardcore fans in Japan only. I can imagine how a mass retail R.E.D-like line would fare in normal stores...

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:They would shelfwarm and shelfwarm hard.

Core class Spike is a thing. Be sure to take pictures if he ends up shelf warming in your area.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:They would shelfwarm and shelfwarm hard.

Core class Spike is a thing. Be sure to take pictures if he ends up shelf warming in your area.

Emerje

He meant non transformable, Marvel Legends / Star Wars Black like human action figures.

-Kanrabat- wrote:Also, just a reminder.
This thread is about Transformers (and toys) you want but you know HASTAK will never make.
Not "The thread of things I will never buy".

This whole tangent started because the question "would anyone be interested in R.E.D.s of human characters" was posed, are you saying we just shouldn't answer the question if our answer happens to be no?

Human characters I would buy that'll probably never get made:
-A Core Class Sari that turns into the scooter
-If they gave the TFP Apex Armor an alt mode and then had the head sculpt look like Miko was wearing it (like the G1 Spike & Daniel power suits idea but wayyyy bigger and better), although if they couldn't get the head to actually come out good with a human face involved then I guess I would also take it with the blank visor/empty head and just headcanon that Miko's in there anyway
-An Animated Headmaster figure that was compatible with TR-to-now Headmaster figures (seriously a missed opportunity from TR)
-...if they gave Kicker's suit an alt mode somehow? Maybe make him a retool of that Sari and base his alt mode off the weirdly-large figure of High Wire he came with back in Energon?
-Verity Carlo, also with her suit being given an alt mode (maybe as a retool of SS86 Spike? It'd give her the capability for the arm guns)
-Animated Meltdown could be cool as a Decepticon (and would be way more memorable than the Micromaster he took the name from) but I have zero fleshed-out ideas for how to make a transforming version of that design, maybe some kind of chemical transport/tanker truck?

-Kanrabat- wrote:As for a transformable Core Class Sari, unless she's reimagined into the G1verse as a human riding a powersuit, she would be way too big to be in any scale with Generations.

I mean I don't put that much stock into scale being perfect from really any of the shows, as long as it's in the right ballpark, and Sari being part Cybertronian I am willing to give her a bit of leeway. I just feel like there's a significant difference between a Sari that's the size of a cassette or another human in a power suit versus a Sari that's *checks Thew's R.E.D. Megatron review* like a head shorter than a Voyager, if we're still operating on the "every R.E.D. figure is the same height" thing?

Actually, on that note of scaling things down but otherwise totally off-topic, I really want Cybertron Quickmix and Menasor to not also get shoehorned into Titan Class? I'd be down for Commander for Menasor and Leader for Quickmix at max, and I'd probably be fine with them being at lower price points than that if need be. I get that those two are also big dudes and that Hasbro mentioned them in the same sentence as Primus and Cybertron Screamer when discussing Titan Class candidates from the show, but people are already questioning Metroplex at $200, I think that would only be exacerbated if they try to do the other smaller Giant Planet dudes that way.

Emerje wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:They would shelfwarm and shelfwarm hard.

Core class Spike is a thing. Be sure to take pictures if he ends up shelf warming in your area.

Emerje

I cannot tell if my area skipped the wave or if Spike actually sold really well, I never saw that Spike figure in-person but the Shockwaves and Ravages were ever-present until recently when I saw the Ratchet and Wheelie wave hit. That Spike actually transforms though and has the "privilege" of being G1 so some will buy it by default, whereas R.E.D.s of human characters from across the various continuities wouldn't have those advantages.

Well, speaking of an updated Sari, I imagine that growing into an adult and evolving further, she could become a headmaster. So she would have her giant robot body and keep being "human" at the same time.

A few years ago I did a failed custom using TR Windblade (hold your torches and pitchforks, she was pretty common in my area back then). So HASTAK have a pretty easy remold/repaint here.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Emerje wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:They would shelfwarm and shelfwarm hard.

Core class Spike is a thing. Be sure to take pictures if he ends up shelf warming in your area.

Emerje

He meant non transformable, Marvel Legends / Star Wars Black like human action figures.

I can't imagine a human character selling worse than RED. I feel like every wave lingers longer on the shelf than the last and at such a trickle that the majority of them are probably being sold to parents that don't realize they don't transform and collectors that buy one and swear them off. I think the right 6" human would sell well. Heck, Circuit Breaker and Death's Head are overdue for their own Marvel Legends figures.

Emerje

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

wait what the hell is this and where is it from?

Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

wait what the hell is this and where is it from?

Judging from the signature it's from Makotron on Twitter, looks like he mostly does Transformers art. https://twitter.com/raptron1978



But he also does the occasional GoBot.



Emerje