The Energon Pub

Great Topic... I'll chime in
1. Arcee is not Hot in any way shape or form.

Sorry robots, like blow up dolls just don't do it for me. If anything Arcee was highly annoying.

2. RiD was a great show, with a great plot, and it appealed just as well to kids as it should to collectors.
From what I saw of the RID show it was silly but doesn't mean I wouldn't give it a chance. Plus anthing that gave me Black Convoy aka Scourge can't be all that bad.

3. Armada Megatron was more bad-ass than G1 Megatron. His plots actually work.

Maybe but growing up on G1, this Megs is my favorite. Silly plots aside Welker breathed life into a violent,crazy and sometimes very humorous character.

4. Armada/Energon/Cybertron/Classics is a superior group of toys than G1.
The figures them selves are better made and some have great poseability. In fact these make up the bulk of my collection. However there are still some gems from G1 like sixshot, the constructicons and the Dinobots just to name a few. No matter what you can't ignore what g1 accomplished.

I know this is more a comic topic but:

Chris Sarracini's Prime Directive was better than Brad Mick's (or whatever they were calling themselves that week) Ongoing.

The Mad Asshatter wrote:

GrimSqueaker wrote:

The Mad Asshatter wrote:

Dagon wrote:Once I was sad because I had no Botcon Seekers, and then I met a man who had no Transformers at all, nor the means or retail outlet to ever obtain any.

You met Ghandi?

Yes

Really?

+2 cool points for you.

Next time you see Mahatma, tell him he still owes Zod a hot dog.

I think it's ironic that some people say TF fans bitch to much when that's what we're doing here. Admit it you like to complain. Hell I'll go first sometimes I like to complain just to vent.

Sheogorath wrote:Nemesis Prime is the best thing to happen to Transformers, ever.

Correction, Black Convoy aka Scourge was one of the best things to happen to TFs, his bastard offspring aka Nemesis Prime(s) are some of the worse things to happen to TFs, ever. Now we are guaranteed not one but two crappy repaints of Prime.

For characters like Override who are female in the West but male in Japan, people love to makes jokes about it. Crossdresser, closetcase, she-male etc. Shut it. Those jokes are years old and weren't even funny when they were new.

Primus' figure is really lacking. The batteries are a pain in the ass to put in, all the Mini-Con ports are dead, he only has two firing missles and the Omega Lock looks lame jutting out of him.

1. Arcee is not Hot in any way shape or form.
female transformers dont make sense to begin with.
unless they were created for a really inapropriate purpose, in which case they should be a sub-group of the decepticons
(use your imagination)

2. RiD was a great show, with a great plot, and it appealed just as well to kids as it should to collectors.
RID prevented us from getting transtech.

3. Armada Megatron was more bad-ass than G1 Megatron. His plots actually work.
armada megatron was transtech megatron!:)

4. Armada/Energon/Cybertron/Classics is a superior group of toys than G1.
If classics continues and they redo some of the old mini figures like warpath, huffer, cosmos:), and soundwave/blaster with the tapes, it will be the best line hands down. they have shown that they have no problem doing triple changers, so maybe springer. Also, skylynx, predaking, and sixshot. Classics could end up being the balls.

Another set:

1. Why are the lady Transformers alway maligned? Few people seem to gripe when females Tfs are absent, but nobody then says "Oh my goodness, look at all the MALES standing about! Males!! The horror!" I mean, come on! Who would want to call Optimus Prime or Megatron an "it?"

2. There are MALE and FEMALE Tfs. Get over it. If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and waddles like a duck, wouldn't it be unrealistic to call it a swan just because you don't like the idea of ducks?

3. Tfs have teeth because they can eat their food. Not just drink it. If Megatron was desperate, he could have all his mens' guts rearanged so they can consume stuff other then pure energon and maybe oil. The Insecticons and some other ones can do it, why not Megatron and his men?

4.The idea of HeadMasters is just LAME.

SnapTrap wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:1. Arcee is not Hot in any way shape or form. Metal vaginas are not cool.

Too true. Also add any other fembot from all TF series here.

Counterpunch wrote:2. RiD was a great show, with a great plot, and it appealed just as well to kids as it should to collectors.

I have to disagree here. RID was too silly and childish. All of the Decepticons/Predicons were more buffoonish than they were bad, and the Autobots were more idiotic than heroic.

Counterpunch wrote:3. Armada Megatron was more bad-ass than G1 Megatron. His plots actually work.

What plots of Armada Megatron? All he did was go on a Minicon scavenger hunt through the first 2/3 of the toon. At least G1 Megatron tried different strategies.

Counterpunch wrote:4. Armada/Energon/Cybertron/Classics is a superior group of toys than G1. I said it. It's true. Stop living in denial.

If you are going just by toyline, then yes this is somewhat true, but there are some G1 figures that are really great that Hasbro/TakaraTomy hasn't been able to improve on. G1 Dinobots and the G1 Constructicons are a good example of this. Articulation alone does not a good toy make.

SNAPTRAP...Flawless Victory!

I know I'm extremely late on this on but I just have to say this is the best thread I've come across since I started reading here. Great idea CP.

My two cents worth is similar to what a few others have already said, that too often we get hung up on how figures display rather than how they transform. My collection is only small, but already i know that when the time comes to rationalise it will be the fun, satisfying ones that stay, not necessarily the prettiest. So I agree with those who don't consider alternators to be great transformers.

K-9 wrote:I know this is more a comic topic but:

Chris Sarracini's Prime Directive was better than Brad Mick's (or whatever they were calling themselves that week) Ongoing.

That's like saying carrot-orange puke is better than pea-green puke. It may be true, but ultimately they're both still puke!

Magnus' Mate wrote:

K-9 wrote:I know this is more a comic topic but:

Chris Sarracini's Prime Directive was better than Brad Mick's (or whatever they were calling themselves that week) Ongoing.

That's like saying carrot-orange puke is better than pea-green puke. It may be true, but ultimately they're both still puke!

Well, I personally liked Prime Directive's. And like it or not, I'm pretty sure there wouldn't be a movie now if DW hadn't started putting out Transformer comics. It's what got me back into Transformers.

But anyway, I decided to re-read War Within Vol. 1 yesterday. It had been quite awhile since I read it, and decided why not. Man, I gotta admit, that was a pretty poor story.

They took six issues to essentially have a Prime/Megatron battle, and in between, we got next to no characterization of anybody. Sure, a lot of bots and cons appear, but that's mostly at the battle of Iacon, and it's just pushed aside as a sub-plot, which is barely focused on.

In addition, Megatron's overall plan is pretty dumb. Why go through all the trouble of rebuilding these engines before you have what's needed to power it? And a second skin that destroys everything up above? Hey, I have an idea, if your goal is conquest and your gonna destroy the Autobots anyway, why not just take all your troops underground, and do that in the first place without warning? There would be massive casualties on the Autobot side, and with Megatron's forces unharmed and not in a state of shock over what just happened, then what's left would be easy pickings.

There, I just made a much more interesting scenario. Megatron does just that, and what's left of the Autobots(the cast of G1) have to fight back and survive under the newly establised Optimus Prime.

IDW's Character Spotlights is among one of the best ideas for Transformers comics.

Duke of Luns wrote:

Magnus' Mate wrote:

K-9 wrote:I know this is more a comic topic but:

Chris Sarracini's Prime Directive was better than Brad Mick's (or whatever they were calling themselves that week) Ongoing.

That's like saying carrot-orange puke is better than pea-green puke. It may be true, but ultimately they're both still puke!

Well, I personally liked Prime Directive's. And like it or not, I'm pretty sure there wouldn't be a movie now if DW hadn't started putting out Transformer comics. It's what got me back into Transformers.

But anyway, I decided to re-read War Within Vol. 1 yesterday. It had been quite awhile since I read it, and decided why not. Man, I gotta admit, that was a pretty poor story.

They took six issues to essentially have a Prime/Megatron battle, and in between, we got next to no characterization of anybody. Sure, a lot of bots and cons appear, but that's mostly at the battle of Iacon, and it's just pushed aside as a sub-plot, which is barely focused on.

In addition, Megatron's overall plan is pretty dumb. Why go through all the trouble of rebuilding these engines before you have what's needed to power it? And a second skin that destroys everything up above? Hey, I have an idea, if your goal is conquest and your gonna destroy the Autobots anyway, why not just take all your troops underground, and do that in the first place without warning? There would be massive casualties on the Autobot side, and with Megatron's forces unharmed and not in a state of shock over what just happened, then what's left would be easy pickings.

There, I just made a much more interesting scenario. Megatron does just that, and what's left of the Autobots(the cast of G1) have to fight back and survive under the newly establised Optimus Prime.

That would work unless the Autobots followed them underground, like they were likely to do. So no, it most likely WOULDN'T work like that.

Greed wrote:

Sheogorath wrote:Nemesis Prime is the best thing to happen to Transformers, ever.

Correction, Black Convoy aka Scourge was one of the best things to happen to TFs, his bastard offspring aka Nemesis Prime(s) are some of the worse things to happen to TFs, ever. Now we are guaranteed not one but two crappy repaints of Prime.

Heh, I wish. They always go with UM, there are so rarely any actual Nemesis Prime repaints. In fact, Japanese exclusives aside (which are generally just Prime in black anyway) there have only been umm... 3? Ever?

Hotrod wrote:IDW's Character Spotlights is among one of the best ideas for Transformers comics.

yeah but the artists they choose for those spotlights are just horrendous!!!!

skywarp-2 wrote:

Hotrod wrote:IDW's Character Spotlights is among one of the best ideas for Transformers comics.

yeah but the artists they choose for those spotlights are just horrendous!!!!

I disagree. I really enjoyed the art for the Kup Spotlight.

Counterpunch wrote:

Dagon wrote:Beast Machines was a great show.

Agreed, and now to further throw salt in the wounds of many many a transfan:

Beast Machines is the canon ending to G1.

QF'MFin'T. It was awesome, and the ending set up the G1 and BW continuties for Universe.

RID ruled, nuff said.

Simon Furman is a great writer.

The G1 comics blew the cartoon outta the water.

Unicron's origin in the cartoon was laughable. Instead of being a chaos bringing god, he was rebellious creation of some fourth tier character, which sucked BTW.

Jhiaxus could pwn Megatron any day of the week. So would Galvatron.

Megatron being upgraded into Galvatron is lame, even in the movie. Megs and Galvs shoulda always been seperate characters.

Galvatron is awesome.

Sunstorm was WAY under/improperly used.

Energon=awesome, A/C sucked donkey ass.

As much as I dislike the movie Megs design, it has grown on me.

That said, it shoulda been used for Galvatron. My reasoning: Movie Megs looks like a big ball of pissed off, Galvatron was a big ball of pissed off. It would be a match made in heaven.

The PS1 BW game(the original, not Transmetals) was good. Even if the graphics and voice overs sucked dirty dog butt.

Pat Lee was a terrible artist at best. Don Figueroa owns his soul.

Ultra Magnus naked is creepy. They shoulda gave us a proper Classic Ultra Magnus, not just the Titanium.

Killing off The Fallen in WW:DA was lame. He coulda been a contender.

No Classic Shockwave makes me a sad panda.

FABs RULE!

G1 season 3 blew, plain and simple.

That's all I got for now.

Beast Wars wasn't shakespeare. It just gets more praise because it was a bit more adult like than other tf shows, but that was the big thing at the time (batman tas started it). If you strip away some of the better episodes you're left with a show that's just as commercialistic and retarded as g1. In the end beast wars had less fun but more in depth characters. Often times I see something really imaginative and great get bashed on because someone with less imagination took it and just made it darker or more realistic but not necessarily better. Now BW was actually really damn cool and made up some great stuff, however without g1 there'd be no beast wars.

Goofy =/= Bad


Toys need to be placed in the context of time. Some g1 figures are far better than some current tf toys, even if the current ones have articulation. What happens when in another 20 years the cybertron figures are just as outdated as g1 is today. Are you going to revoke your CYBERTRON TOYS RULE statement and go with whatever is the newest, latest, flashiest toy? After a while you'll get burnt out. G1 Prime is an awesome toy that any kid would love, so is bw primal, rid prime, armada bendy prime, cybertron prime, classics prime, mp prime, etc...


Movie designs don't suck. They're just not what everyone was hoping for/expecting. So it was a shock and people got angry. Now it seems like everyone's changed their minds and LOVE the movie after only seeing a handful of trailers. Can we just wait for the movie to come out, please?

1. Mp-o3 Starscream's colors and realism rocks!

2. Mp-o3 Starscream is NOT fragile. Only to people with hammy fists.

3.G1 can exist in the year 2007, not just in the '80s or the 'make pretend made-up future 2005' that exists in the old movie. It can be here and now.

4.Why can't Transformers have girlfriends or boyfriends? Why must they automatically be considered sexless, just because they are called 'robots?' They were originally built by aliens who were super-advanced technoorganic creatures, or by Primus. So either for the Quints or by Primus, both who aren't limited in the creativity of making living things, they could have actually given the metal-creatures genders.
You don't see to much of the evidence for what gender they are because in this case, there aren't too many females around.

Grimlock is overrated. The only reason he is considered a badass is because he turns into a dinosaur and carries a sword. Optimus Prime is a better character.

Optimus Prime is one of the most bland characters ever. Ultra Magnus and Rodimus are much better characters by far because of their flawed nature.

The Matrix is a stupid plot device, as is Unicron and Primus. Transfomer gods?! Ugh.

I'd rather not know where TFs came from. We don't know where we came from, why should we know where an advanced race of alien beings came from. (Anyone who tells me that we evolved or we were created by God or aliens is just guessing, no one was there to see how everything went down, so just chill and let it go. Will it pay your bills to argue about it?)

G1 Megatron was a dumbass. As was Stascream.

Soundwave has no personality. He's a boot-licking toadie. Deal.

Predaking IS overrated, just like Jetfire.

Dreamwave was fanwank of the highest order. IDW isn't much better.

The movie designs aren't that great. You can't even tell anyone apart. They all look the same.

Simon Furman is a hack. And has some serious issues with his constant boner for Grimlock, et al.

Takara does not make better toys than Hasbro. Or vice versa. They're the same damned toys from the same damned factories. The same sweat shop children make them all.

TF's should not be made any larger than Voyager size. Any larger and they are drastically out of scale and do not lend themselves to play well either. Too bulky and hard to handle.

Headmasters, Targetmasters, Powermasters, and Pretenders rock. We need more. Packs of minicons that just turn into weapons would rule so much. Like the old GI Joe weapon packs you could buy years ago.

Action Masters can be more fun than standard TFs, look more like they're animated counterparts and are at least in scale.

Action Masters did not kill G1. It was just it's raspy death cough.

Transformers the Movie killed TFs. Think about it.

Powerglide is more annoying than Wheelie. At least Wheeie had an excuse.

Sunstreaker is not gay. Sunstreaker is an asshole. We assholes have a have sense about this.

That's all I got for right now.

BTW, great idea for a thread. Reminds me of an article I read in Game Informer a while back called the Sacred Cow Barbecue. Good read.

Another one, fans should face the fact G1 as we knew it is over with. Not because Hasbro ended it, but because the people who stopped watching and buying the toys.

Hasbro does listen from time to time. The problem is the fans can never agree.

skywarp-2 wrote:

GrimSqueaker wrote:

skywarp-2 wrote:Beast Wars Megatron had an ascot!! his voice was like that of a gay man, or a really bad British accent!! he barely used his fusion canon, and was purple.. you do the math!!

BW megs rocks! He was accually evil, purple is the color of royality and he didnt need to fight in person when he could send lackys to die for him

so he was a politician versus a war general like G-1 Megatron...

No. He was a criminal, a suave and ruthless Predacon gangster. Isn't it obvious? He's has an air of a Bond villain around him sometimes...

Emperor Galvatron wrote:Sunstreaker is not gay. Sunstreaker is an asshole. We assholes have a have sense about this.

Is there any reason he can't be both?

Still, let's get this out in the open: the "gay or straight" thing regarding certain transformers? Makes no sense. Transformers don't reproduce like that. For that matter, there's no real reason to assume that the differences between male and female Transformers is anything other than behavioral... Hell, look at Stryka. They could have easily decided Stryka was a dude.

G1Blaster wrote:Having a Transformer tattoo is awesome. However, that isn't the kind of tattoo most women find awesome. Now the other way around is a different story.

Transformers find tattoos of women awesome? Is that what you're saying? 'Cause I'm a little confused by the phrasing of that.

Emperor Galvatron wrote:Headmasters, Targetmasters, Powermasters, and Pretenders rock. We need more. Packs of minicons that just turn into weapons would rule so much. Like the old GI Joe weapon packs you could buy years ago.

I agree, especially about the Headmasters...they are so f***ing awesome.

It kills me how such huge fans of transformers can hate transformers so much. Without the phenomena of G1 there would be nothing. Beast Wars can go to hell.

Say what you will, Chris Latta, Frank Welker and Peter Cullen along with the rest of the G1 voice cast are shakespearean compared to any other transformer voice cast to date.

G1 Megs is the best, I don't care what he transforms into, he had personality and a fantastic voice actor behind him.

The transformers movie is probably the most G1 accurate thing to come out in a long time.

Since when are people stuck up the ass of some poopy computer generated show like beast wars so hard core?

The cybertron toy line does kick ass, it's ashame the show didn't live up to the potential of the toy line, storywise. The soundwave is my favorite transformer ever. But, G1 still holds up next to toys made today in almost every area other than articulation. I would have them all if I had the money.

Arcee, I am sure, is very hot to all of the male transformers.

Oh yeah, did I mention beast wars sucks?