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Hot_Rod wrote:Does THAT look more realistic?

Depends, do we have any ACTUAL giant aliens robots to compare it to?

Tell me this, Mr. Hot "I'm-Not-Saying-Anything-More-About-This-as-of-Page-Two" Rod, let me ask you something. Have you ever seen a giant alien robot that turns into a vehicle in real life? You act like you have. After all, you supposedly know exactly what they look like.

Hot_Rod wrote:

Autobobby1 wrote:Tell me this, Mr. Hot "I'm-Not-Saying-Anything-More-About-This-as-of-Page-Two" Rod, let me ask you something. Have you ever seen a giant alien robot that turns into a vehicle in real life? You act like you have. After all, you supposedly know exactly what they look like.

Page 2 was like 3 days ago. I was leaving the thread for the day... 3 days ago.

To answer you're question no, but I do know what it looks like on the Big screen now and I don't think it looks good as it currently looks.

Well, that's your opinion. While you can have your own opinion, the designs don't make the movie. And millions of people who saw the movie disagree with your opinion.

I like G1, I like the movie, but I do think it would have been possible to have designs more reminesent to G1, and that they would work with a little tweaking.

and besides, Sam probably wouldn't have been able to shove the cube into Megatron's chest so easily if he had been a little less exposed

Blackout wrote:

Hot_Rod wrote:[Then there was the fact that they all had teeth and claws, complete with multiple mouth pinchers that opened and closed around their mouth. Was there a real purpose to that?

A design choice, and sometimes it served an emotive purpose (for instance, the decepticons appeared more fearsome).

To be honest, I always got a bit of a vibe that they felt the need to make the Decepticons look like insect monsters 'cause they didn't have enough faith in the popular movie going audience to be able to understand that the 'Cons were evil unless they looked like monsters. Of course, maybe that's just my cynical outlook on Hollywood.

Blackout wrote:

Hot_Rod wrote:[See I just don't understand how these things work better than any other more distinctive Transformers designs characteristic. I think it works just the opposite and creates the exact cartoony feeling that some of you guys are saying that you want to avoid and fear the traditional design elements would create.

I don't think all of us are saying that the 'traditional' (G1) designs equal disaster. Personally, I just prefer the new designs. And it seems most of the audience does, as well.

A bunch of people in this thread have said that the "traditional" designs equal disaster. Here's a few quotes:

E107_Theta wrote:As much as I love G1, and I like it way better than the movie, boxy-G1-equse cartoony designs wouldn't work, unless the movie was entirely animated.

Burnup Prime wrote:to put it simply: G1 designs worked in 1984, but would NOT work in 2007

Venomous Prime wrote:I just don't see the blocky designs really working in a live action setting.

Viral wrote:Those designs just don't fit with the real world. Great in 2-D media/ Comics, Anime. Awesome. But a direct translation from those mediums, to a theatrical film IRL, with realistic tones would be fails'ville.

I am ecstatic, we didn't get G1 exact models in the film.

... and in my opinion, therein lies the problem. Saying that G1 designs wouldn't have worked when you've never seen the movie's special effects team genuinely try to do it more like G1 is incredibly closed minded.

Blackout wrote:

Hot_Rod wrote:[Not only that but I was on the Redskins website and they were talking about the movie and some said they couldn't tell who was who. And they couldn't tell who was fighting who. Makes sense because they're all colored pretty much the exact same way with multiple pipes in robot modes.

This is what I don't understand. How can anyone not tell them apart? You'd have to have a serious eye problem if you find the designs look similar. They are very distinct. As for not being able to tell who is fighting who, that is more the fault of Bay's direction style.

To be honest, that's a complaint I've heard a number of non-TF fans say, but mainly about the Decepticons due to the fact that most of them, with the exception of Barricade, are predominantly made up of grays and browns.

Blackout wrote:

Hot_Rod wrote:[I think too many people have bought into the "It's Real!" spin that they fed to us because I do not see them looking all that realistic, especially with the way those heads were designed.

As far as we know, no one really knows what a real alien robot would look like. So you can't argue that the designs don't look realistic.

And there's what actually destroys both sides of this argument! Since no one knows what giant alien robots would really look like, we can't say that more G1-inspired designs would look more or less realistic, 'cause who knows, maybe that's what TF's would actually look like in the real world if they existed.

So can we stop arguing over whether the movie designs or G1 designs would have worked better? The designs they went with were not the only option. Other options, including G1 designs, may have worked just as well. They could have taken the design aesthetics a hundred different ways. Fortunately, the way we got worked out and looks cool on the big screen, but it definitely wasn't the only possibility.

Hot_Rod wrote:

Blackout wrote:Tell me, what does an alien robot look like? Granted you are making an aesthic judgement, but that's all it is.

You're right, I can't tell you what an alien robot looks like, but I can tell you what a Transformer looks like!

Isn't a Transformer just a brand alien robot? Because if they are, then you just killed your entire case.

It goes like this:

Point 1. Designs don't look like Transformers
2. Transformers are alien robots
3. We don't know what real alien robots look like
4. Therefore, we don't know what real Transformers look like.

Then there's Case #2 against you:

Point 1. Designs don't look like Transformers
2. A Transformers is a transforming robot
3.a Therefore, by this logic, Designs don't transform
3.b However, designs DO transform, thus making Point 1 invalid.

Congratulations, you lose.

[quote="Hot_Rod"]

Point 1.Transformers have source material to refer to.
3.I know what a Transformer looks like from the source material.
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Here we go again!

How many times does it have to be stated that is not Transformers G1, or Beast Wars, or Armada, or ANYTHING we have seen before? This is COMPLETELY NEW and designed to look good on the big screen, not in cartoons or comics!

So let's give it a rest. The designs did not make or break the movie. No matter what you call it, it's Transformers and Bay ain't changing it back.

I like the designs. Remember, this isn't a G1 movie, despite similarities. They can create or pull from whatever they want and incorporate it into the universe, since it isn't the same universe as G1. They don't have to pull anything from the old "source material" if they don't want to. They could've dropped in all new characters if they wanted, but they wanted to add at least a little bit of familiarity.

cyclonus11 wrote:I like the designs. Remember, this isn't a G1 movie, despite similarities. They can create or pull from whatever they want and incorporate it into the universe, since it isn't the same universe as G1. They don't have to pull anything from the old "source material" if they don't want to. They could've dropped in all new characters if they wanted, but they wanted to add at least a little bit of familiarity.

EXACTLY MY POINT. I couldn't have said it better myself!

roy_flagg00 wrote:

Burnup Prime wrote:to put it simply: G1 designs worked in 1984, but would NOT work in 2007

Exactly.
And bayformers would not work in 1984 and would work never.
You can't climb the high road of realism and take the low road of cliche.
I bet that there are designs out there that aren't g1 but also dont suck.
I know it hurts to admit, but people should not psyche themselves into believing the designs are good just because they like transformers so much that they dont want the movie to fail.
The designs were not the worst ever, but could have been way better.
Also, don't forget to buy your new Pontiac Solstice!
That way you can imagine you too are riding around in a transformer!

that was NOT what I was saying, you dope. I was saying that they had to change with the times. one good example is Optimus Prime. how often do you see a flat-nosed truck these days? not often. it would have looked out of place. and the new transformers designs can and do work. they are Transformers, and it ticks me off how people like you call them "bayformers". these guys count as trasnsformers just as much as all the other Transformers made throughout history

one thing I don't like about this thread is that people keep on talking about how the designs could have been more like G1. but there was much more than just G1. they could have tried to base the designs on any of the Transformers series, so they still could have gotten fan popularity. just because they weren't like G1 doesn't mean the end of the world. there is a LOT MORE than G1, and they were Transformers with designs of their own

So you're saying that G1 is realistic because they have human faces and regular hands and that the movie looks cartoonish because it looks different? Wow, you sure are a Geewunner. I am SICK of people like you who don't like the movie because of the designs.

If you are so sick of other people's opinions, you can always leave this PUBLIC forum.

No one has a gun to your head, forcing you to read posts that offend your "greater" sensibilities.

You, like everyone else, can leave if so desired.

YouFearGalvatron wrote:

So you're saying that G1 is realistic because they have human faces and regular hands and that the movie looks cartoonish because it looks different? Wow, you sure are a Geewunner. I am SICK of people like you who don't like the movie because of the designs.

If you are so sick of other people's opinions, you can always leave this PUBLIC forum.

No one has a gun to your head, forcing you to read posts that offend your "greater" sensibilities.

You, like everyone else, can leave if so desired.

Wait a min. Is this Seibertron.com com or the Don Murphy boards...?

nugget wrote:

YouFearGalvatron wrote:

So you're saying that G1 is realistic because they have human faces and regular hands and that the movie looks cartoonish because it looks different? Wow, you sure are a Geewunner. I am SICK of people like you who don't like the movie because of the designs.

If you are so sick of other people's opinions, you can always leave this PUBLIC forum.

No one has a gun to your head, forcing you to read posts that offend your "greater" sensibilities.

You, like everyone else, can leave if so desired.

Wait a min. Is this Seibertron.com com or the Don Murphy boards...?

In the past few weeks, one tends to wonder.


YouFearGalvatron, simply because someone has an opnion that differs from you doesn't mean they don't deserve to post in this PUBLIC forum just as much as you do.


As hypacritical as it sounds: I can't tolerate those who are intolerant of others.

I love the new designs, the whole controversy was a storm in a teacup, just like all the other controversies that got the fanatics worked up from Meg's voice to Prime's design to whatever. Just goes to show Bay was right to stick to his vision, and the proof is in the success of the film.

Neko wrote:

nugget wrote:

YouFearGalvatron wrote:

So you're saying that G1 is realistic because they have human faces and regular hands and that the movie looks cartoonish because it looks different? Wow, you sure are a Geewunner. I am SICK of people like you who don't like the movie because of the designs.

If you are so sick of other people's opinions, you can always leave this PUBLIC forum.

No one has a gun to your head, forcing you to read posts that offend your "greater" sensibilities.

You, like everyone else, can leave if so desired.

Wait a min. Is this Seibertron.com com or the Don Murphy boards...?

In the past few weeks, one tends to wonder.


YouFearGalvatron, simply because someone has an opnion that differs from you doesn't mean they don't deserve to post in this PUBLIC forum just as much as you do.


As hypacritical as it sounds: I can't tolerate those who are intolerant of others.

Not to say something that opposes a Mod, but YouFearGalvatron was stating somewhat the same as you are. That first post was Autobobby1, who IMO, is treating those of us who think that the designs were not perfect are not fans of the new movie at all and YouFearGalvatron was telling him that if he doesn't like the opinions of someone else on the board then he can always leave if he wants.

I'm sorry, but I'm sick and tired of the people on the Movie forum who think that just because we didn't think the designs were 100% perfect that means that we are "Geewunners" and are whining about having the G1 designs on the big screen.

I, myself, am glad that this film didn't go with the G1 designs exactly as they are, but there are so many problems with the designs (especially the Decepticons) and we shouldn't treat them like an issue where you are either 100% for or 100% against them. Also, it is my OPINION, that anyone (and I've seen it from people on both sides of the debate) who belittles others simply because they have a different opinion than their own should realize that they are on a public forum and stop insulting and assuming things about others or get off the board and live in their personal world on their own without interaction from others since that seems to be what they truly want.

But, I won't be too surprised when somebody turns this post around and starts insulting me so bring it on.

P.S.: Mods, I'm sorry, but I'm tired of this cr@p where everybody believes that their opinion is truth and anyone who opposes them needs to be insulted. I, for one, know that my opinion is my opinion and nothing more.

Predaprince wrote:Not to say something that opposes a Mod, but YouFearGalvatron was stating somewhat the same as you are. That first post was Autobobby1, who IMO, is treating those of us who think that the designs were not perfect are not fans of the new movie at all and YouFearGalvatron was telling him that if he doesn't like the opinions of someone else on the board then he can always leave if he wants.

I'm sorry, but I'm sick and tired of the people on the Movie forum who think that just because we didn't think the designs were 100% perfect that means that we are "Geewunners" and are whining about having the G1 designs on the big screen.

I, myself, am glad that this film didn't go with the G1 designs exactly as they are, but there are so many problems with the designs (especially the Decepticons) and we shouldn't treat them like an issue where you are either 100% for or 100% against them. Also, it is my OPINION, that anyone (and I've seen it from people on both sides of the debate) who belittles others simply because they have a different opinion than their own should realize that they are on a public forum and stop insulting and assuming things about others or get off the board and live in their personal world on their own without interaction from others since that seems to be what they truly want.

But, I won't be too surprised when somebody turns this post around and starts insulting me so bring it on.

P.S.: Mods, I'm sorry, but I'm tired of this cr@p where everybody believes that their opinion is truth and anyone who opposes them needs to be insulted. I, for one, know that my opinion is my opinion and nothing more.

Very well put.

I thought the designs worked but some of the 'Formers just came out look bad. Don't try and tell me Starscream didn't like like a giant robotic ass in bot mode. Megatron didn't look like a TF at all, he looked like one of those Bionicle things.

Rest were great though and worked very well in my opinion.