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Hotrod wrote:One thing I do not understand are all the attacks at Roberto Orci for posting in this thread. He has been kind enough to stop by this forum on more than one occasion and answer questions without talking down to us like some others involved in this movie have.

no excuse for that. If they came on being rude or something, that's another story. I'd like to hear more from them, but I guess respect is earned both ways. There is no excuse for the movie guys being rude, and no excuse for the fans to be rude.

DetectiveFork wrote:

Roberto Orci wrote:I dare you not to go see the movie. I dare you to spend all your money on parts 3, 4, and 5 of every other dopey summer sequel and not see the only original, groundbreaking, never before seen spectacle that is going to be the first live action Transformers.

I double dare you.

LOL, now I feel guilty if I insulted you. I applaud your sense of humor, though. But I am sorry to say that I just don't feel a pull to see the film and I'd rather not bother. If it's any consolation, it's mainly the designs that are turning me off.

No worries. We don't get insulted by passionate opinions. We respect all points of view.

I understand the designs being a turn off to some, but as a moviegoer, I don't see how you don't watch Transformers on the big screen.

Roberto Orci wrote:

DetectiveFork wrote:

Roberto Orci wrote:I dare you not to go see the movie. I dare you to spend all your money on parts 3, 4, and 5 of every other dopey summer sequel and not see the only original, groundbreaking, never before seen spectacle that is going to be the first live action Transformers.

I double dare you.

LOL, now I feel guilty if I insulted you. I applaud your sense of humor, though. But I am sorry to say that I just don't feel a pull to see the film and I'd rather not bother. If it's any consolation, it's mainly the designs that are turning me off.

No worries. We don't get insulted by passionate opinions. We respect all points of view.

I understand the designs being a turn off to some, but as a moviegoer, I don't see how you don't watch Transformers on the big screen.

I do not agree with everything that has happened with the movie, but I am still pumped up for this movie.

I'm not bothered by most of the changes, well EXCEPT the face plate, but i'm just wondering WHY the changes to the designs were so drastic? I have yet to see anyone else from the movie come on to as many boards to interact with fans. I calling Orci not a fan would be appropriate.

I'm not bothered by most of the changes, well EXCEPT the face plate, but i'm just wondering WHY the changes to the designs were so drastic?

Simple, there is no reason. Although Prime may have been changed a lot too, thanks to him, we know the truth. If they can stay that close to the source material with him, they clearly could've done it with the others. Apparently someone just got too power hungry when they were allowed to change things...

Also a minor nit pick, but somewhere in this thread, someone mentioned mass shifting. That the public today wouldn't accept that? Just wanted to say...what teenagers have you talked to lately? I've been around a lot (not to mention quite a few very young kids). Most of them would've thought it was totally cool if some small object turned into a huge robot. Unlike us, most movie goers don't get scientific with their shows. Just had to say that because I'm sick of fans making these statements.

Roberto Orci wrote:
No worries. We don't get insulted by passionate opinions. We respect all points of view.

I understand the designs being a turn off to some, but as a moviegoer, I don't see how you don't watch Transformers on the big screen.

Thanks for being level-headed. Many people would get passionate and defensive if their work was being criticized.

I did go to see Transformers on the big screen...20 years ago, anyway. But as per your last comment, an analogous situation would be if a chubby, bald actor in his 70s was hired to play the new James Bond (No Roger Moore jokes!). I love James Bond movies but I would likely avoid the film because the casting choice was so wrong. I wouldn't see it just because it's a Bond film.

DetectiveFork wrote:

Roberto Orci wrote:
No worries. We don't get insulted by passionate opinions. We respect all points of view.

I understand the designs being a turn off to some, but as a moviegoer, I don't see how you don't watch Transformers on the big screen.

Thanks for being level-headed. Many people would get passionate and defensive if their work was being criticized.

I did go to see Transformers on the big screen...20 years ago, anyway. But as per your last comment, an analogous situation would be if a chubby, bald actor in his 70s was hired to play the new James Bond (No Roger Moore jokes!). I love James Bond movies but I would likely avoid the film because the casting choice was so wrong. I wouldn't see it just because it's a Bond film.

Connery was wearing a wig in the later Bond movies.

Bender Prime wrote:Speak for yourself, I don't mind the on/off face plate, the benefits obviously outweigh the disadvantages given the scope and purpose of the film, something no one on here can comment on having not seen how these things actually look in motion.

And Bay is cool, there is no one I'd rather have directing my big robots movie, other than maybe Cameron.

So lets see what benefits do a 40 foot robot from outspace may have with a mouth... eating?? Drinking?? Kissing a fellow autobettie? breathing?

skywarp-2 wrote:

Bender Prime wrote:Speak for yourself, I don't mind the on/off face plate, the benefits obviously outweigh the disadvantages given the scope and purpose of the film, something no one on here can comment on having not seen how these things actually look in motion.

And Bay is cool, there is no one I'd rather have directing my big robots movie, other than maybe Cameron.

So lets see what benefits do a 40 foot robot from outspace may have with a mouth... eating?? Drinking?? Kissing a fellow autobettie? breathing?

Having humans relate to you? Imagine if someone walked up with no mouth but they could speak perfectly. There was just a blank spot there. Would you freak out?

i would think if I saw my car change into a 40' robot, there would be enough freaking out to go around...

fact is, there isnt a blank spot, there's a mask:)

the purifyer wrote:If you want a child to stop whining you give them what they want.

Obviously most of us Transfans have loved the brand for 23 years. I think we know a little something when it comes to a film about Transformers, at the very least what the most iconic Transformer's face should look like.

People like what they like, hate what the hate if the movie staff can't hack that quite a large group of people are appalled at their efforts maybe they should have taken a step back and taken a look at the whole picture, or at very least came to terms with the fact that some of us just don't like it?

As long as they keep beating a dead horse, I will too, it's only fair.

I agree, and the fact that they "the movie studio and anyone connected with making this movie" have the nerve and gall to say to us Transfans that we whine and bitch about crummy changes they decide whats best for us and our viewing pleasure is absurd and down right ignorant.. Not to mention the way they always point the finger at us when they make a change and don't like the feedback, to me they are the whining children, they refuse to accept what people like and don't like, and take it out on the fans, which is childish and immature..An adult accepts things in reality that they know they cannot change readily.. like optimus Prime having a mouth, come on people??? he's a freaking robot, they all don't have to have faces, mooths, 2 eyes, and noses, ect.. ect.. atleast make them like they should be if this movie is based on G-1 it should remain almost tue to the original concept.. who ever the idiot was that thought of giving Prime a mouth behind the face plate should be banned from any kind of fandom on Earth, he set a precendent that should be shunned by intelligent thinking people..

Ataraxia wrote:Stop being such whiny little bitches. who cares? i mean seriously. it's a film about giant transforming robots destroying things and eachother, that's the concept we all know and love and that hasn't changed. just be thankful you're getting a movie based on a toy franchise. and by-the-by spidey has more exposure than transformers so it'd be harder to change anything like that. plus a battle shield over the face tends to make it hard for a cgi character to emote...stupid funking fanboys...

what a moron, are you a transfan or a fan of giant bots who fight.. cause you do know there is a difference??

Hotrod wrote:

Miken Ayers wrote:

Seibertron wrote:

Miken Ayers wrote:

The Paragon of Virtue wrote:

Hot_Rod wrote:Because he's one of the people accountable! He wrote the dang thing...

And...?

Why does that mean he has nerve to come here?

I dunno. This site's got lunatics for posters and is run by an even bigger one.

So now I'm a lunatic because I disagree with things that have been done with the movie? That rationalization doesn't make any sense.

Disagreeing is fine. However losing sleep over a freaking faceplate and taking it personally does seem a bit irrational. I guess it's your perogative till you start beating your wife and kids, so I'll let you be.

I am lost with your logic. Because he openly disagreed with a decision about something he is passionate about makes him a lunatic? And the statement about its his perogative till you start beating his wife and kids is out of left field. The last I checked people have opinions and they can be expressed and just because you may not agree with them does not make them a lunatic.

Thanks Hotrod. Miken Ayers, thank goodness there are people who are passionate about this hobby like I am. If there weren't people that share my passion with this hobby, there wouldn't be major fan websites like tfw2005, tformers, allspark and Seibertron. We're passionate about this incredible fantasy world. It's not just the face plate issue, it's collectively all of the things that have been taken away from the franchise that I feel should've been left as part of the movie. It's the little things that people remember. It's the same mindset along these lines: you can show up to work on time every day of the year but if you show up late once every other week, your boss will remember those times instead.

skywarp-2 wrote:

Ataraxia wrote:Stop being such whiny little bitches. who cares? i mean seriously. it's a film about giant transforming robots destroying things and eachother, that's the concept we all know and love and that hasn't changed. just be thankful you're getting a movie based on a toy franchise. and by-the-by spidey has more exposure than transformers so it'd be harder to change anything like that. plus a battle shield over the face tends to make it hard for a cgi character to emote...stupid funking fanboys...

what a moron, are you a transfan or a fan of giant bots who fight.. cause you do know there is a difference??

I'm with skywarp-2 on this one. Transformers is more much more than robots destroying things and each other. If that's what Transformers were about, then I wouldn't be into this hobby. It's the character driven storyline that ultimately gets me.

Bender Prime wrote:

Flashbang wrote:I have respect for directors who do what they want and don't sweat over what the fans say.

Exactly. Talk about crying like a bunch of school girls. Waahhh the faceplate isn't on in all the scenes. Waahhh he has flames. Like who cares, it's a TINY DETAIL.

I can't believe reading these comments like 'the film will suck cos the face plate isn't on in all the scenes', what a load of baloney, go ask Sam Raimi how he feels about leaving his main characters in masks like the Green Goblin v Spidey fight in Spiderman 1 - he'll tell you it was a dumb move cos the scenes become flat cos you are just staring a darn inanimate plastic object. Prime has to EMOTE, he needs a flippin mouth to do that, it's not a cartoon, it's a $150 million dollar major motion picture so is it so damn hard for these people to understand that he has to be more expressive?

Here is a crazy idea, why not talk about the actual important things in the film like the story or the plot, or the characters (not their looks) instead of crapping on for what must be a year now about stuff that is completely irrelevant. It's like someone yapping on about what type of shades NEO wears in the Matrix, it's completely and utterly trivial!!!

No wonder Bay must get the impression a lot of fans are off the reservation.

Yeah the Matrix, the first one was great, add 2 and 3 and its utter crap, the CGI and fight scenes were great, but its an ultimate testament that even a great action movie with huge budgets, lots ofg hype can still in the end be stupid and suckass, as with the Matrix 2 and 3..Neo dies, the robots still live above the earth, and humans below, Neos goal to stop the war was atruce at the cost of his life?? what utter crap is that??

Optimus Prime, the Mouth, the flames, the designs, the absence of Cybertron, the Absence of the Ark, Teletran One, the Decepticon ship under the water, Megatrons alt mode, his face with razor teeth??? there are a great many things thatr define the fan reaction in this movie, and many of them lead up to changes the director and co.. felt would make their movie better.. their attitude of cramming it down our throats and saying like or not, your gonna take it this way!!! is completely unnacceptible.. its their fan rederrick that incites fury accross the board..

Nightwatcher wrote:

skywarp-2 wrote:

Bender Prime wrote:Speak for yourself, I don't mind the on/off face plate, the benefits obviously outweigh the disadvantages given the scope and purpose of the film, something no one on here can comment on having not seen how these things actually look in motion.

And Bay is cool, there is no one I'd rather have directing my big robots movie, other than maybe Cameron.

So lets see what benefits do a 40 foot robot from outspace may have with a mouth... eating?? Drinking?? Kissing a fellow autobettie? breathing?

Having humans relate to you? Imagine if someone walked up with no mouth but they could speak perfectly. There was just a blank spot there. Would you freak out?

yeah but their assertion that Bumblebee ids the best Human relations is then flawed because Bumblebee doesn't have a mouth, and Prime's face plate isn't the absence of a mouth but the acknowlegement that he has something there..besides Ninjas convey lots of emotion behind their masks in movies...

Seibertron wrote:

skywarp-2 wrote:

Ataraxia wrote:Stop being such whiny little bitches. who cares? i mean seriously. it's a film about giant transforming robots destroying things and eachother, that's the concept we all know and love and that hasn't changed. just be thankful you're getting a movie based on a toy franchise. and by-the-by spidey has more exposure than transformers so it'd be harder to change anything like that. plus a battle shield over the face tends to make it hard for a cgi character to emote...stupid funking fanboys...

what a moron, are you a transfan or a fan of giant bots who fight.. cause you do know there is a difference??

I'm with skywarp-2 on this one. Transformers is more much more than robots destroying things and each other. If that's what Transformers were about, then I wouldn't be into this hobby. It's the character driven storyline that ultimately gets me.

Ryan, what Transformers does so well is telling a story that dates back since the beginning of time about Good Vs. Evil...

durkadurka wrote:i would think if I saw my car change into a 40' robot, there would be enough freaking out to go around...

fact is, there isnt a blank spot, there's a mask:)

I Love you!!! damn right.. 40 foot robot that can think and feel, with guns, and I'm worried about wether or not I can relate to him as a human to machine because he has lips???


Wht Freaking Planet is this again, and whose directing is all about realism???

skywarp-2 wrote:

Nightwatcher wrote:

skywarp-2 wrote:

Bender Prime wrote:Speak for yourself, I don't mind the on/off face plate, the benefits obviously outweigh the disadvantages given the scope and purpose of the film, something no one on here can comment on having not seen how these things actually look in motion.

And Bay is cool, there is no one I'd rather have directing my big robots movie, other than maybe Cameron.

So lets see what benefits do a 40 foot robot from outspace may have with a mouth... eating?? Drinking?? Kissing a fellow autobettie? breathing?

Having humans relate to you? Imagine if someone walked up with no mouth but they could speak perfectly. There was just a blank spot there. Would you freak out?

yeah but their assertion that Bumblebee ids the best Human relations is then flawed because Bumblebee doesn't have a mouth, and Prime's face plate isn't the absence of a mouth but the acknowlegement that he has something there..besides Ninjas convey lots of emotion behind their masks in movies...

To be honest that was a joke. The thought just popped into my mind of when Neo lost his mouth in the first Matrix. Freaked me out.

Seibertron wrote:

skywarp-2 wrote:

Ataraxia wrote:Stop being such whiny little bitches. who cares? i mean seriously. it's a film about giant transforming robots destroying things and eachother, that's the concept we all know and love and that hasn't changed. just be thankful you're getting a movie based on a toy franchise. and by-the-by spidey has more exposure than transformers so it'd be harder to change anything like that. plus a battle shield over the face tends to make it hard for a cgi character to emote...stupid funking fanboys...

what a moron, are you a transfan or a fan of giant bots who fight.. cause you do know there is a difference??

I'm with skywarp-2 on this one. Transformers is more much more than robots destroying things and each other. If that's what Transformers were about, then I wouldn't be into this hobby. It's the character driven storyline that ultimately gets me.

thanks for the support siebertron, i just got back from helping my friends build a 6 foot wooden fence and just happen to catch the story on the mouth plate, and whoa, did I just get pissed.. It shows.. I'm sorry iw ent off but I too am passionate about this hobby, and i hate it when people down us as whinny little fans.. and the assertion that Transformers is simply robots who turn into somthing else and fight each other is just rediculous, there is more there.. and Bay had to be convinced to do this movie, convinced?? he should have been on hius knees begging for them to let him do it!! as far as i'm concerned, its not him that I have a Problem with, its those assinine God complexed I'm da Star Wars Man!! I know CGI, I know whats hot, moronic idiots at ILM who did most of the deisgn work and which ultimately helps tell the story visually, so yeah there is alot riding on the overall look of the characters, because they help tell the story visually.. if not then this would be a damn radio show and not a "Picture movie" so all you lameoids out there who say it should "only" be about story content, keep this in mind, in defense of those of us who continually bitch about the look of the robots.. remeber that this is a "MOVIE" and as such is audio set to pictures that tell a story..

Nightwatcher wrote:

skywarp-2 wrote:

Nightwatcher wrote:

skywarp-2 wrote:

Bender Prime wrote:Speak for yourself, I don't mind the on/off face plate, the benefits obviously outweigh the disadvantages given the scope and purpose of the film, something no one on here can comment on having not seen how these things actually look in motion.

And Bay is cool, there is no one I'd rather have directing my big robots movie, other than maybe Cameron.

So lets see what benefits do a 40 foot robot from outspace may have with a mouth... eating?? Drinking?? Kissing a fellow autobettie? breathing?

Having humans relate to you? Imagine if someone walked up with no mouth but they could speak perfectly. There was just a blank spot there. Would you freak out?

yeah but their assertion that Bumblebee ids the best Human relations is then flawed because Bumblebee doesn't have a mouth, and Prime's face plate isn't the absence of a mouth but the acknowlegement that he has something there..besides Ninjas convey lots of emotion behind their masks in movies...

To be honest that was a joke. The thought just popped into my mind of when Neo lost his mouth in the first Matrix. Freaked me out.

my bad, heated moments.. but yeah i got really freakied when neo had no mouth all of a sudden.. but then that s the main difference Neo is human and looks like us when he lost his mouth it looked freaky, Optimus Prime is a robot whose mouth is a giant face plate, which i always thought, as a kid in the 80s, was his actual mouth, and was a giant synthesiser that could communicate with multiple autobots, and gave him some kind of command control when he said "Autobots transform...ect..ect..." you know the rest...


Ok done ranting and Off to bed.. had a long day!!...

skywarp-2 wrote:

Bender Prime wrote:Speak for yourself, I don't mind the on/off face plate, the benefits obviously outweigh the disadvantages given the scope and purpose of the film, something no one on here can comment on having not seen how these things actually look in motion.

And Bay is cool, there is no one I'd rather have directing my big robots movie, other than maybe Cameron.

So lets see what benefits do a 40 foot robot from outspace may have with a mouth... eating?? Drinking?? Kissing a fellow autobettie? breathing?

The TF in your post has a mouth!

Roberto Orci wrote:I dare you not to go see the movie. I dare you to spend all your money on parts 3, 4, and 5 of every other dopey summer sequel and not see the only original, groundbreaking, never before seen spectacle that is going to be the first live action Transformers.

I double dare you.

Is my tongue going to stick to frozen Megatron?

Seriously, though... yeah, I'm still seeing it. No reason not to.

Seibertron wrote:

Miken Ayers wrote:

Seibertron wrote:

Chris™ wrote:I could have a piece of poop in my signature and it wouldn't matter on my opinon one way or another. Did anyone honestly think that this rendition would be a straight up copy of the old stuff. If that was the case 3000 people would see it, not 300,000.

Where did any of us say that we wanted a straight copy? That's not what I want. Paying respect to what has gone on in the past is totally different than giving us a straight copy. Totally different things.

He's blue and red. I know it's Optimus Prime without having to be told, Peter Cullen's doing his voice. I'd say there's a decent amount of respect given to a fictional character without it being a straight up copy. Yes I had to point out he's not real.

Ok, just because that feature isn't important to YOU, doesn't me that it's not important to ME. You probably would also be OK with Superman not having the letter "S" on his chest, Batman not having a bat symbol of some sort on his chest or Spiderman wearing a yellow costume. I understand that you aren't concerned about details. I am so please don't discount what's important to me because you're more accepting of a major character design change.

Its not like this is the first time he's been sans faceplate. Its not that drastic a change because it does have precedent. And its not like he'll never have it. He has it for the fight scenes according to whats been released. Thats a totally different thing from Spiderman having a yellow costume or Superman not having his S. Prime has his faceplate, he just doesn't have it on all the time.

Incidentally Spiderman has had a costume will large amounts of yellow on a few different occasions. And Superman has gone without his S in the past. So both of those have precedent as well.

I can understand your view that the faceplate is an iconic thing, but as much as we might hate to admit it outside the fandom Transformers really aren't as well known as they are to us. Hell half the people I work with are either to young to even remember G1, or to old to have cared when it was out. Hell with most people I know Optimus Primal with his lips and all is better know to most of them. And all of them are looking forward to this movie based simply on the fact that they think the robots look cool and the trailer is exciting.

The characters of Prime and Megatron are the Iconic parts to me. Their designs are a secondary thing. So far I think they look cool, and if the writing keeps the key parts of their personalities intact then I don't really care what the faces look like or if they look like any prior version of the character.

Well...
After reading the posts here, it seems that we settled for less, and hoped for the best.

Really, what's the point of talking, sharing, insulting, or even whinning, when it's all about nothing. It's wasted energry. Nothing matters to them, Bay, or anyone involved with this movie, only money.

The designs are horrid, but that's not what really brothers me,( ...Well Starscream and Megatron are beyond the worst in history, and the fact that they dumb down Starscream, it's just too much...) it's the story, or lack of character development, or time to know our new Bayformers. What drew me in to Transformers so much, was them, their personalities, their own demons, friendships, and hardships. It was a bonus that they were cool robots that transformed, but had feelings, emotions, free will, and dreams. I just hope, in the movie, i get to see that, I want to see them, not just watch them blow up things. I want to feel their war.

Well, if at all, that makes any sense. If anything, I hope they're didn't just made the movie only to be about blowing up stuff, car chasing, running, with their young good looking bad actors. Yippee, another summer blockbuster with no meaning. Well at least the effects will be cool, and a possiable good slice of pizza or candy.

Whatever, it's too late, nothing can be done, so let's just enjoy ourselves.