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The people in my theatre laughed at all the jokes too. The critics and more hardcore fans may complain, but the Bayverse movies tick all the right boxes for its real target audience.

Cthulhunicron wrote:-The story made absolutely no sense. The Decepticons have been here since the 70s and but they made no attempt to find Megatron or the Allspark until 2009? Megatron left Cyberton after Sentinel did, yet he arrived on Earth thousands of years ahead of him? Sentinel left Cybertron with the intention of using our planet's resources and enslaving humanity...BEFORE the Allspark even landed on Earth??? If they can use Earth's resources for energy...then why did they need the solar harvester in the first place? Why didn't the Fallen just start strip mining the place when he arrive 17,000 years ago? Cybertron EXPLODES just outside of Earth's atmosphere without harming our planet in the slightest??? Nevermind, I'm applying logic to a Michael Bay film...what am I thinking?

Oy. Seriously? Okay, here we go...

The Primes created the sun harvester and brought it to Earth in 10,000 B.C.
The Fallen betrayed them and they hid the Matrix of Leadership in the tomb.

Megatron, Sentinel and Optimus are generations upon generations behind them.
The war had raged for countless years.

Megatron and Sentinel made a plan to find the Allspark, since it had been cast out, and make a space bridge on whatever planet it landed on.

Megatron found the cube, which had crashed here in 10,000 A.D., and he crashed sometime after 10,000 A.D.

All while this is happening, The Fallen was lying in wait in his wrecked ship on one of Saturn's moons. He couldn't do anything because at least two Primes were still alive.

Sentinel found out the cube's location and stuck to the plan, and ended up crashing on the Moon in the '60s, and then we knew about the alien visitors.

Ever since the harvester, all throughout history, the Seekers have been searching for the Matrix of Leadership, the Decepticons have been looking for the Allspark, and the Autobots have been trying to survive. The Seekers and Decepticons were looking for the cube and Megatron, but both were hidden. Megatron in ice, deep underwater, and the cube had a dam built around it. In all three movies, neither the Autobots nor the Decepticons were capable of doing sensor sweeps that would reach the depth of the levels the cube or Megatron was located.

The Decepticons know of the Moon crash and lie in wait because they don't have all the pieces to finish the puzzle, so to speak, so they waited, hiding in plain sight for decades.

Prime and the Autobots come to Earth once they find the location of the Allspark, the Decepticons, with Frenzy's help, find Megatron and the cube and all Hell breaks loose. Sam kills Megatron with the cube, the Autobots form NEST. After this, and before ROTF, Sideswipe, the twins, Dino, etc all came to Earth on the Xantium.

Megatron is resurrected at The Fallen's request and tells him he needs to get rid of Prime and get the info out of Sam's head, because they can activate the harvester with the Matrix. The Fallen was nothing more than a means to an end for Megatron.

Had Sentinel survived, he'd have offed The Fallen, because he was a Prime capable of doing so. Still, Megatron would've got what he wanted in the end.

Optimus and NEST find out that a fuel cell from the Ark caused Chernobyl, and that they were all lied to. Sentinel is revived by the Matrix and continues with his master plan.

I'm not sure how you got confused, I mean the timeline and story aren't that hard to follow. Plenty of people complain that these movies have no story, no plot. Well, if that's the case, then shouldn't the timeline be easy to follow? The first movie was a convoluted mess, and even I still kept up with what went where, and in what time.

Cthulhunicron wrote:-Most of the new Autobots looked ridiculous and were annoying. I hated Wheeljack, I hated Brains, and I hated the Wreckers.

Hate, hate, hate. That's all I'm sensing here. I'm not going to try and change your mind, because you have every right to hate 'em if you wish.

Cthulhunicron wrote:-I hated the ending. Optimus slaughters Megatron after the latter saves his life and offers a truce??? WTF??? I know this has been discussed to death in this thread, and I can see arguments both for and against Prime's action, but it still left a very sour taste in my mouth.

No. Megatron offered a truce in which he remained leader. As we witnessed in the first two films, that would've been no better than what they already had. Evil dictatorship helped destroy what they had. History was doomed to repeat itself. Besides, what's to stop Megatron from turning on the Autobots again after he got what he wanted? Nothing. Plus he would've slaughtered billions of people to accomplish this dream. Prime knew this, he's known it all along. So to save us, make Megatron pay for the countless lives he ended with his kill squads, and to put an end to the war...he offed Megatron. It truly was the best option. Megatron could never be trusted. That much hate? Doesn't fade or change in the blink of an eye, if ever.

That truce wasn't worth the breath wasted to utter it.

Cthulhunicron wrote:I can't believe people in my theater actually applauded for this crap.

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Well, the 38 million dollar box office would disagree with you. Obviously the audience is embracing it. You don't make that much from just one single showing. People went and watched it repeatedly, so apparently there was some reason to applaud.

Still, if you don't like it, you don't like it. That's fine. But, when you put your opinion out there for all to see, you have to expect someone's just chomping at the bit to counter it.

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I give it and 8.5 out of 10.

Its not really a review but I don't have time(or patience) to write a giant review. :3

EDIT: Weird double post...

Cheesinator wrote:The people in my theatre laughed at all the jokes too. The critics and more hardcore fans may complain, but the Bayverse movies tick all the right boxes for its real target audience.

True. All the people in my audience were laughing at all the jokes while I sat there (not laughing) in observation trying to watch the movie as a whole.
I would and stop and look around and think to myself, "Really? That wasnt funny. Thats not even the point of the plot right now. You people are idiots."
I bet they dont even know who shockwave is or who Sentinel Prime is and is story in the TF folklore.
HAHA oh wait....thats the TF nerd in me.

That's why it's great watching the movie with fellow fans. Me and my friends had no idea Welker's voice would be in the film at all, so hearing Shockwave say 'Optimus' in that iconic voice was quite awesome. Though that did make it suck all the more that he doesn't say anything else. ¬_¬

Cheesinator wrote:That's why it's great watching the movie with fellow fans. Me and my friends had no idea Welker's voice would be in the film at all, so hearing Shockwave say 'Optimus' in that iconic voice was quite awesome. Though that did make it suck all the more that he doesn't say anything else. ¬_¬

I thought was him but I thought it was Frank Welker doing Soundwaves voice. He was using the same voice he used as Dr. Claw on Inspector Gadget and one or two Eps as Soundwave in G1. Frank Welker was Soundwave in the last movie. Did he do Shockwave too in this one. I couldnt tell.

Yeah, definitely. Welker did Soundwave and Shockwave.

Autobot032 wrote:

Cthulhunicron wrote:-The story made absolutely no sense. The Decepticons have been here since the 70s and but they made no attempt to find Megatron or the Allspark until 2009? Megatron left Cyberton after Sentinel did, yet he arrived on Earth thousands of years ahead of him? Sentinel left Cybertron with the intention of using our planet's resources and enslaving humanity...BEFORE the Allspark even landed on Earth??? If they can use Earth's resources for energy...then why did they need the solar harvester in the first place? Why didn't the Fallen just start strip mining the place when he arrive 17,000 years ago? Cybertron EXPLODES just outside of Earth's atmosphere without harming our planet in the slightest??? Nevermind, I'm applying logic to a Michael Bay film...what am I thinking?

Oy. Seriously? Okay, here we go...

The Primes created the sun harvester and brought it to Earth in 10,000 B.C.
The Fallen betrayed them and they hid the Matrix of Leadership in the tomb.

Megatron, Sentinel and Optimus are generations upon generations behind them.
The war had raged for countless years.

Megatron and Sentinel made a plan to find the Allspark, since it had been cast out, and make a space bridge on whatever planet it landed on.

never stated in the movie just saying they never said they were looking for the allspark

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Megatron found the cube, which had crashed here in 10,000 A.D., and he crashed sometime after 10,000 A.D.

sorry but wrong according to the film he lost control and crashed BEFORE finding the cube.

All while this is happening, The Fallen was lying in wait in his wrecked ship on one of Saturn's moons. He couldn't do anything because at least two Primes were still alive.

Sentinel found out the cube's location and stuck to the plan, and ended up crashing on the Moon in the '60s, and then we knew about the alien visitors......

In all three movies, neither the Autobots nor the Decepticons were capable of doing sensor sweeps that would reach the depth of the levels the cube or Megatron was located.

.so while on the planet they couldnt do sensor sweeps yet sentinel onboard a damaged ship was able to find the allsparks location?

Prime and the Autobots come to Earth once they find the location of the Allspark, the Decepticons, with Frenzy's help, find Megatron and the cube and all Hell breaks loose. Sam kills Megatron with the cube, the Autobots form NEST. After this, and before ROTF, Sideswipe, the twins, Dino, etc all came to Earth on the Xantium.

Megatron is resurrected at The Fallen's request and tells him he needs to get rid of Prime and get the info out of Sam's head, because they can activate the harvester with the Matrix. The Fallen was nothing more than a means to an end for Megatron.

did you see the movie? megatron bowed down to him and was genuinely saddened when he saw the fallen die. he wasnt a means to an end he was his mentor

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Had Sentinel survived, he'd have offed The Fallen, because he was a Prime capable of doing so. Still, Megatron would've got what he wanted in the end.

agreed.

Optimus and NEST find out that a fuel cell from the Ark caused Chernobyl, and that they were all lied to. Sentinel is revived by the Matrix and continues with his master plan.

I'm not sure how you got confused, I mean the timeline and story aren't that hard to follow. Plenty of people complain that these movies have no story, no plot. Well, if that's the case, then shouldn't the timeline be easy to follow? The first movie was a convoluted mess, and even I still kept up with what went where, and in what time.

Cthulhunicron wrote:-Most of the new Autobots looked ridiculous and were annoying. I hated Wheeljack, I hated Brains, and I hated the Wreckers.

Hate, hate, hate. That's all I'm sensing here. I'm not going to try and change your mind, because you have every right to hate 'em if you wish.

Cthulhunicron wrote:-I hated the ending. Optimus slaughters Megatron after the latter saves his life and offers a truce??? WTF??? I know this has been discussed to death in this thread, and I can see arguments both for and against Prime's action, but it still left a very sour taste in my mouth.

No. Megatron offered a truce in which he remained leader. As we witnessed in the first two films, that would've been no better than what they already had. Evil dictatorship helped destroy what they had. History was doomed to repeat itself. Besides, what's to stop Megatron from turning on the Autobots again after he got what he wanted? Nothing. Plus he would've slaughtered billions of people to accomplish this dream. Prime knew this, he's known it all along. So to save us, make Megatron pay for the countless lives he ended with his kill squads, and to put an end to the war...he offed Megatron. It truly was the best option. Megatron could never be trusted. That much hate? Doesn't fade or change in the blink of an eye, if ever.

That truce wasn't worth the breath wasted to utter it.

Cthulhunicron wrote:I can't believe people in my theater actually applauded for this crap.

Well, the 38 million dollar box office would disagree with you. Obviously the audience is embracing it. You don't make that much from just one single showing. People went and watched it repeatedly, so apparently there was some reason to applaud.

Still, if you don't like it, you don't like it. That's fine. But, when you put your opinion out there for all to see, you have to expect someone's just chomping at the bit to counter it.

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personally i thought it couldve been better but thats just me.

Just got back from watching it. For what it was, it was a fun movie. Yet again, not a cinematic masterpiece from good ole Uwe Bay, but it had just enough kickass bot and con fights to keep me from falling asleep.

Biggest pet peeve with the first impression here was the 'nod to 3D' parts. I can understand them wanting to push the 3D envelope, but when i saw the gun barrel shooting at Shockwave for 3 minutes straight, i honestly just wanted to get up and walk out.

And what the **** was up with that big stupid decepticon worm thing? Yeah, it was an alright plot device, but i thought it was hilarious how the autobots just left it rippin up chernobyl after they got their piece of the ark.

Also, why the hell did the decepticons shoot at the ark, if Sentinel was going to just go to another planet to drag cybertron over to?

Makes no sense. But the humor was funny. The bot fights were epic. **** it.

vegetacron wrote:Just got back from watching it. For what it was, it was a fun movie. Yet again, not a cinematic masterpiece from good ole Uwe Bay, but it had just enough kickass bot and con fights to keep me from falling asleep.

Biggest pet peeve with the first impression here was the 'nod to 3D' parts. I can understand them wanting to push the 3D envelope, but when i saw the gun barrel shooting at Shockwave for 3 minutes straight, i honestly just wanted to get up and walk out.

And what the **** was up with that big stupid decepticon worm thing? Yeah, it was an alright plot device, but i thought it was hilarious how the autobots just left it rippin up chernobyl after they got their piece of the ark.

Also, why the hell did the decepticons shoot at the ark, if Sentinel was going to just go to another planet to drag cybertron over to?

Makes no sense. But the humor was funny. The bot fights were epic. **** it.

The Uwe Bole jokes are getting stale, by the way.

Why not chase the worm thing? Because it went deep underground? And I figured they shot at Sentinel due to poor communication. More to the point if you were in a battle in real life and your commanding officer said, "Don't shoot at Osama Bin Laden, he's on our side!" would you believe him?

Anybody else sad+annoyed+fustrated that ironhide was killed so horribly and that his death was never ever brought up throughout the movie!? C'mon this guy was there from the start, hes primes right hand man.. Autobots weapon specialist

When jazz died they actually picked the guys pieces and tried to save him.. they're reaction to irons death ws like ...... (autobots)"we didnt see anything.."

I figured it was the heat of war, no time to mourn the dead. It ended so abruptly, we didn't get to see the funeral.

I just got back from seeing the movie again, and I loved it even more the second time! I noticed a lot more things like the same subtle symbolism that was used in ROTF.

Megatron blowing up Lincoln: Lincoln stood for freedom, but Megatron wants to enslave humanity.

In the end fight with Optimus VS Sentinel at the end, there are statues of important looking people behind Optimus. I don't really know who thye are but I assume they where freedom fighters too.

And the death scenes shocked me a bit more too this time because I got to take in every little thing without it just happening. And I also found the scenes in Sam's job funnier. (The guy drinking the exotic milk.)

XxMega-PrimexX wrote:Anybody else sad+annoyed+fustrated that ironhide was killed so horribly and that his death was never ever brought up throughout the movie!? C'mon this guy was there from the start, hes primes right hand man.. Autobots weapon specialist

When jazz died they actually picked the guys pieces and tried to save him.. they're reaction to irons death ws like ...... (autobots)"we didnt see anything.."

I was shocked. I literally sat there with jaw dropped when he died.

Another thing: Are people going to start screaming "RACIST!!!" Because the Dreads have dreads and can run fast?

This is a serious question.

FanimusMaximus wrote:I give it and 8.5 out of 10.

Its not really a review but I don't have time(or patience) to write a giant review. :3

I give it a 9.0, even if I still haven't seen the movie. Only reason why it lost a point is because of all the Autobot/Decepticon KIAs, and one betrayal.

Another thing: How is their ship called the Ark when the term "Ark" comes from earth history/religion?

SlyTF1 wrote:Another thing: How is their ship called the Ark when the term "Ark" comes from earth history/religion?

The way I see things like this is that the name of the ship (and any name or word the Autobots and Decepticons use in English) has to be a translation that approximates something of the same meaning in English as it would in Cybertronian. Therefore, they choose the word "ark" to refer to their ship because of its meaning in English. It doesn't necessarily have to have religious connotations as seen from the first entry when you Google ark definition:

1. (in the Bible) The ship built by Noah to save his family and two of every kind of animal from the Flood; Noah's ark.
2. A vessel or sanctuary that serves as protection against extinction: "a starship ark built by their android protectors"

That's kind of my way of explaining things like that to myself.

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CelticDragon wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:Another thing: How is their ship called the Ark when the term "Ark" comes from earth history/religion?

The way I see things like this is that the name of the ship (and any name or word the Autobots and Decepticons use in English) has to be a translation that approximates something of the same meaning in English as it would in Cybertronian. Therefore, they choose the word "ark" to refer to their ship because of its meaning in English. It doesn't necessarily have to have religious connotations as seen from the first entry when you Google ark definition:

1. (in the Bible) The ship built by Noah to save his family and two of every kind of animal from the Flood; Noah's ark.
2. A vessel or sanctuary that serves as protection against extinction: "a starship ark built by their android protectors"

That's kind of my way of explaining things like that to myself.

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Maybe something happened on Cybertron similarly.

Mindmaster wrote:
I give it a 9.0, even if I still haven't seen the movie. Only reason why it lost a point is because of all the Autobot/Decepticon KIAs, and one betrayal.

You cannot score a movie before you watch it, don't be ridiculous.

SlyTF1 wrote:Another thing: Are people going to start screaming "RACIST!!!" Because the Dreads have dreads and can run fast?

This is a serious question.

This

Autobot032 wrote:The Primes created the sun harvester and brought it to Earth in 10,000 B.C.
The Fallen betrayed them and they hid the Matrix of Leadership in the tomb.

They state in DOTM that Earth's energy resources (oil, coal, natural gas, solar energy, plutonium, geothermal, biomass, etc.) will sustain Cybertron and allow their race to continue. If this is true, then why do they need to build solar harvesters? Why do they need the Allspark? When the Fallen found Earth, why bother building the harvester when he could have just strip mined the planet?

Putting that aside for the moment, the movies say that the Fallen stole the Matrix to use on Earth, but the Primes stole it back, and sacrifice their lives to entomb the Matrix in a hidden location. Why didn't the Fallen and his followers just stay on Earth and look for it? It was only a few miles away from the harvester. I can only assume that the Primes and their followers managed to fight the Fallen until he retreated back to Cybertron, but I don't understand why he waited all this time until 2007 or so to head back to Earth in an attempt to activate the harvester.

I also don't really see why they sacrifice their lives to entomb the Matrix in the first place. They fought a big battle and managed to get the Matrix back from him and apparently they kicked his ass badly enough to get him to leave the planet. So why not use their lives to protect the Matrix? They'd done pretty well up until that point, it got stolen once and they swiftly managed to return it. I don't see the point in blowing themselves up and burying the Matrix on Earth only a few miles from the Harvester when they know the Fallen is still alive and will probably try the same thing again.

Megatron, Sentinel and Optimus are generations upon generations behind them.
The war had raged for countless years.

Megatron and Sentinel made a plan to find the Allspark, since it had been cast out, and make a space bridge on whatever planet it landed on.

Megatron found the cube, which had crashed here in 10,000 A.D., and he crashed sometime after 10,000 A.D.

All while this is happening, The Fallen was lying in wait in his wrecked ship on one of Saturn's moons. He couldn't do anything because at least two Primes were still alive.

So you're telling me that the Fallen retreated after losing the Matrix, crashed on Saturn's moon and just sat there for thousands of years, even though he could have just gone back to the Earth and looked for the Matrix? He already knew what planet it was on and it was a relatively short distance away. The two bots that could kill him were on Cybertron. Also, who cares if the two Primes were still alive? All the Primes were alive when he first built the harvester on Earth, it didn't stop him or intimidate him from doing anything.

Sentinel found out the cube's location and stuck to the plan, and ended up crashing on the Moon in the '60s, and then we knew about the alien visitors.

Ever since the harvester, all throughout history, the Seekers have been searching for the Matrix of Leadership, the Decepticons have been looking for the Allspark, and the Autobots have been trying to survive. The Seekers and Decepticons were looking for the cube and Megatron, but both were hidden. Megatron in ice, deep underwater, and the cube had a dam built around it. In all three movies, neither the Autobots nor the Decepticons were capable of doing sensor sweeps that would reach the depth of the levels the cube or Megatron was located.

All this time, the Fallen was still alive, so why didn't he just tell the Seekers to look on Earth? If Sentinel knew where the Cube was, why didn't he just tell Megatron to go to Earth? Megatron could have relayed that to the other Decepticons. Why all the searching? And they can do sensor sweeps from space to figure out what planet the Cube crashed on, but once they are on the planet they can't scan for it?

What exactly is the point of transporting Cybertron through space to a point right next to Earth? The two planets would collide, effectively destroying them both.

Hate, hate, hate. That's all I'm sensing here. I'm not going to try and change your mind, because you have every right to hate 'em if you wish.

I don't know what else to say. I thought Wheeljack/Q looked stupid and I found him annoying. Dino looked cool, but I found his accent annoying. The Wreckers looked stupid. If they had had better designs, I would have liked them. However, the Decepticons all looked pretty awesome in this movie, so it's not all hate. However, the movie was filled with so many awful lines, bad acting, and incredibly annoying attempts at humor that it just ruined the experience. All I can say is I liked the battle scenes, the Decepticon designs, Welker's voice acting, and that's about it.

i give it a b+. not an oscar winner, but a fun summer popcorn movie. could've done with less of the human military stuff, save that for the g.i. joe movie. i'll probably see it one more time. as for que/wheeljack, i'm glad he wasn't actually called wheeljack, i didn't really see him as wheeljack, who is one of my favorites from g1(although he did seem to have the mad scientist/inventor thing going on.) i kind of thought the way things went with megatron was fine. it was pretty easy to tell from his tone that the "truce" he offered was not genuine, and to me seemed more of a mockery, especially with him wanting to stay in command. laserbeak, was pretty cool, as was shockwave, though i wish he actually was shown as more than just muscle. soundwave was pretty cool as well i like the way they used him as a spy. i guess in the end, i guess i wanted more robots, less humans, and a little more action(from the robots) but it was still pretty good. and yes, prime was a little more brutal than expected, but it seems like that's how most of the characters,(even bumblebee) are in this series.

Capt.Failure wrote:Why not chase the worm thing? Because it went deep underground? And I figured they shot at Sentinel due to poor communication. More to the point if you were in a battle in real life and your commanding officer said, "Don't shoot at Osama Bin Laden, he's on our side!" would you believe him?

I didn't see the worm go underground and oh! I'm sorry! Is this more Uwe Bay storytelling elements that force the viewer to make up their own reasoning for things? AH! Got ya!