Kurona wrote:The most interesting question here - and it is rather interesting - is the matter of the head, considering the original was a normal-sized Headmaster but for this that obviously can't be the case. Would it be a Double Headmaster like Emissary/Cerebros/Fort Max? In the case, what would the bigger robot look like if Zarak made up the smallest stage? Or would the bigger robot be Zarak himself, enlarged from normal Headmaster status to being between Deluxe and Voyager? In that case would there be a need for it to be a Double Headmaster? So many questions.
Overcracker wrote:Well considering they took a Lion:
and turned it into a Jet:
which required altering 70 to 80% of the figure to accomplish,
I can totally see them turning a dinosaur into a scorpion and replacing 60 to 80% of Trypticon to accommodate a scorpion mode.
Kurona wrote:I speculate that he will be... the G1 toy but bigger and with more articulation and less accessories. Given that that's what all the Titans have been so far.
The most interesting question here - and it is rather interesting - is the matter of the head, considering the original was a normal-sized Headmaster but for this that obviously can't be the case. Would it be a Double Headmaster like Emissary/Cerebros/Fort Max? In the case, what would the bigger robot look like if Zarak made up the smallest stage? Or would the bigger robot be Zarak himself, enlarged from normal Headmaster status to being between Deluxe and Voyager? In that case would there be a need for it to be a Double Headmaster? So many questions.
Also, I'm not quite getting your bad guy/good guy thing. They were able to repurpose a lot of Metroplex into Fort Max but obviously weren't able to repurpose anything into Trypticon, so he's the one that got the new mold. Not quite sure how good guy/bad guy factors into that.
fenrir72 wrote:Related front to your query, does seibertron's staff have any idea if the recent G1 re-issue Trypticon sold well or bombed? Same with Metroplex and Fortmax. Access to actual sales figures etc
Also, measuring success vs bombing, is a fig considered a success if sold full price off inventory or sold at a sale? is the a percentage cut off level to consider such?
Overcracker wrote:Well considering they took a Lion:
and turned it into a Jet:
Emerje wrote:fenrir72 wrote:Related front to your query, does seibertron's staff have any idea if the recent G1 re-issue Trypticon sold well or bombed? Same with Metroplex and Fortmax. Access to actual sales figures etc
I can say for sure that Hasbro doesn't give out that kind of information unless they either have to or they're bragging. At most you'll get sales figures for the entire franchise from investor meetings, but not for individual figures. If you're lucky enough to corner them at a convention they might tell you if something sold well or not, but no hard numbers.Also, measuring success vs bombing, is a fig considered a success if sold full price off inventory or sold at a sale? is the a percentage cut off level to consider such?
The primary concern is how much stores are ordering and if things go to clearance. Hasbro gets paid the same no matter how much a store sells them for so sales aren't a concern, that's an incentive to get people into a store.
Emerje
Gauntlet101010 wrote:Are we sure there's even going to be a Scorpinok (or Omega Supereme, another I see people just assume will happen soon)? We only have Trypticon because of a poll, so it wasn't as if it was planned.
Anyhow: speculation! I can't see how they can retool Metroplex of Fort Max into Scorpinok. And I hope they don't. Max is pretty disappointing. He needs some add-ons to make him a little less Metroplex and a little more Fort Max.
I agree with the notion that he'll be like G1, except bigger with less accessories. And disappointingly smaller than Metroplex.
I do hope we'll get him. It'd be a shame if Max went on without his nemesis.Overcracker wrote:Well considering they took a Lion:
and turned it into a Jet:
BURN IT WITH FIRE!
They should be ashamed of themselves. That has to be one of the top 5 worst modern TF jets.
Kurona wrote:The most interesting question here - and it is rather interesting - is the matter of the head, considering the original was a normal-sized Headmaster but for this that obviously can't be the case.
Burn wrote:Kurona wrote:The most interesting question here - and it is rather interesting - is the matter of the head, considering the original was a normal-sized Headmaster but for this that obviously can't be the case.
Or could it ... what if the Titan Master goes up inside the head? Brainmaster gimmick ...
Overcracker wrote:Well considering they took a Lion:
and turned it into a Jet:
Kurona wrote:Overcracker wrote:Well considering they took a Lion:
and turned it into a Jet:
Except they didn't.
Alpha Trion and Broadside only share parts, not a mold. They're as much retools of each other as Blurr and Chromedome are.
Gauntlet101010 wrote:They could make Scorpinok from Fort Max or Trypticon. But they probably shouldn't.
I mean ... Broadside is pretty disappointing. And, yes, I find the G1 more successful. The jet mode isn't great, but ... it's better than the modern Broadside. Which is kinda sad.
fenrir72 wrote:How much the store sells them would /should concern Hb. If Hb sells them a toyline's worth let's say TR. At $ 1,000,000. Money in the bank for Hb. Then the store sells it with a mark up. If it flies like hotcakes then good. But if it doesn't move and the store has excess inventory then they will start selling them at sale levels or at a loss. Smart guess is that the store won't be supporting that dud of a toyline.
If only 10% of gets sold at a loss, I am assuming it's acceptable and that line will still have a new lease in the shelves but at what level will it be a loss?
Reason why I am hoping Trypticon regardless of versions sells well so a potential Scorponok will be a reality unlike the TFA Omega Supreme which was not released.
Overcracker wrote:They share retooled parts. You are splitting hairs. They took Alpha Trion and modified to such an exten to get a jet form what was previously a lion.
Emerje wrote:Overcracker wrote:They share retooled parts. You are splitting hairs. They took Alpha Trion and modified to such an exten to get a jet form what was previously a lion.
The parts aren't retooled, that would imply they took parts of Alpha Trion's mold and changed them to be something else.
Emerje wrote:fenrir72 wrote:How much the store sells them would /should concern Hb. If Hb sells them a toyline's worth let's say TR. At $ 1,000,000. Money in the bank for Hb. Then the store sells it with a mark up. If it flies like hotcakes then good. But if it doesn't move and the store has excess inventory then they will start selling them at sale levels or at a loss. Smart guess is that the store won't be supporting that dud of a toyline.
You seem to have this strange concept that sale = poor when there's a number of reasons why items go on sale. Sometimes it's because a promotion was worked out with the manufacturer, sometimes it's because an item has proven popular enough that a sale will get people into the store to buy other things while they're there, and some times it's to temporarily move old stock to make room for new stock. Sales are always temporary and rarely used to clear out something that a store has discontinued, that's what clearance is for.If only 10% of gets sold at a loss, I am assuming it's acceptable and that line will still have a new lease in the shelves but at what level will it be a loss?
You don't have to sell your entire inventory to make a profit, you just have to sell enough to make back more than you spent. If the profit margins are thin or sales are sluggish then there's little reason to order again. However, clearance doesn't always mean failure, it can also mean they overstocked and moved as much product as possible in a location, but still made a profit so they can afford the clearance.Reason why I am hoping Trypticon regardless of versions sells well so a potential Scorponok will be a reality unlike the TFA Omega Supreme which was not released.
It's hard to say since most retailers in the US don't sell Titans anyway and ones that do and would sell them at a sharp discount do so as seasonal items and either get them after they've been on the market for a while (T.J.Maxx, Ross) or after they've been at full price for and clearance them out with their entire toy section (Costco). The only national brick and mortar retailer that stocks them as a regular product is Toys R Us. Online stores are hard to figure out since we can't get a good read on their stock like physical retailers. Prices at BBTS and TFSource haven't changed much for Max so I'd say they aren't very concerned. I'm thinking Hasbro will actually see a boost in sales with Trypticon since fewer people are saying they're buying the Takara Tomy version this time around. Plus kids love giant robot dinosaurs.Overcracker wrote:They share retooled parts. You are splitting hairs. They took Alpha Trion and modified to such an exten to get a jet form what was previously a lion.
The parts aren't retooled, that would imply they took parts of Alpha Trion's mold and changed them to be something else. That's not how this works. Both figures are designed at the same time with parts created for both figures to share. Hasbro calling it a retool is really a misnomer, they're treating it as a catchall word, but fans have moved on to calling it the more accurate "parts sharing" since no parts are actually being retooled.
Also, while Alpha Trion makes a great looking lion, Broadside makes a terrible looking plain. It really isn't a good example of how Trypticon can be made into Scorponok.
Emerje
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