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Till-all-R1 wrote:Looks like I'm in for a long wait then, on Frenzy and Ratchet. And potentially the Buzzworthy Hound whenever that is.

Not that long, wave 4 is typically the December wave and we're almost half way through 2023 already.

Rumor is that Buzzworthy Hound got pushed to next year so they could focus on ROTB exclusives this year.

Emerje

Realized while out of the house that I forgot the most important one for this thread in my release schedule reminder: based off last time we heard anything about him from JTPrime/anyone credible, SS86 Commander Ultra Magnus is slotted for an October release, so he'll probably be revealed alongside Wave 4 assuming nothing has changed.

I'm starting to get more and more interested in that Commander Magnus, I realized it the other day when looking at Kingdom's side profile and how thick/chunky it is with the trailer attachments. Particularly the legs, so I'm interested to see how it's approached.

Till-all-R1 wrote:I'm starting to get more and more interested in that Commander Magnus, I realized it the other day when looking at Kingdom's side profile and how thick/chunky it is with the trailer attachments. Particularly the legs, so I'm interested to see how it's approached.

I predict that it may be pretty similar to the old 3P toy, Citizen Stacks.

I cot one, thankfully at 100$can instead of the original 200$+.
I felt that it could be o "preview" of what's to come.

Till-all-R1 wrote:I realized it the other day when looking at Kingdom's side profile and how thick/chunky it is with the trailer attachments. Particularly the legs,

Naturally. G1 Ultra Magnus was a thick and chunky boi.

Nemesis Primal wrote:Realized while out of the house that I forgot the most important one for this thread in my release schedule reminder: based off last time we heard anything about him from JTPrime/anyone credible, SS86 Commander Ultra Magnus is slotted for an October release, so he'll probably be revealed alongside Wave 4 assuming nothing has changed.

What do we think, Commander Magnus in 2023, Commander Optimus Prime in 2024 for the 40th (take a deep breath), and finally Commander Power Master Optimus Prime in 2025? Plenty of room for repaints along the way too.

chuckdawg1999 wrote:

Nemesis Primal wrote:Realized while out of the house that I forgot the most important one for this thread in my release schedule reminder: based off last time we heard anything about him from JTPrime/anyone credible, SS86 Commander Ultra Magnus is slotted for an October release, so he'll probably be revealed alongside Wave 4 assuming nothing has changed.

What do we think, Commander Magnus in 2023, Commander Optimus Prime in 2024 for the 40th (take a deep breath), and finally Commander Power Master Optimus Prime in 2025? Plenty of room for repaints along the way too.

Commander Optimus for 2024 is a distinct possibility, especially considering that Hasbro already confirmed that the next HasLab for the 40th anniversary will not be an Optimus, gun Megatron, or another Victory character.

chuckdawg1999 wrote:

Nemesis Primal wrote:Realized while out of the house that I forgot the most important one for this thread in my release schedule reminder: based off last time we heard anything about him from JTPrime/anyone credible, SS86 Commander Ultra Magnus is slotted for an October release, so he'll probably be revealed alongside Wave 4 assuming nothing has changed.

What do we think, Commander Magnus in 2023, Commander Optimus Prime in 2024 for the 40th (take a deep breath), and finally Commander Power Master Optimus Prime in 2025? Plenty of room for repaints along the way too.

Well Powermaster OP wouldn't exactly fit in SS86, so he'd have to be the Commander release for whatever-line-follows-Legacy (and I would hate to see effectively 3 straight years of Commander Optimus's across Generations lines), but I would be absolutely shocked if an SS86 Commander Optimus DOESN'T happen next year, it seems like the lowest-hanging fruit possible.

Not really keen on Commander Optimus or Megs, though I wouldn't mind a better version of a G1 version as I didn't much care for ER Megs and was hoping for a repaint w/o battle damage.

I'd also consider a Titan Superion.

Till-all-R1 wrote:Not really keen on Commander Optimus or Megs, though I wouldn't mind a better version of a G1 version as I didn't much care for ER Megs and was hoping for a repaint w/o battle damage.

I'd also consider a Titan Superion.

I wonder how any version of Megatron could be a Commander?
A "G1" gun Megatron with silencer and stock would be a leader at the very most.

-Kanrabat- wrote:I wonder how any version of Megatron could be a Commander?

RID Megatron maybe, just due to sheer number of modes (and the parts/engineering required)?

Nemesis Primal wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:I wonder how any version of Megatron could be a Commander?

RID Megatron maybe, just due to sheer number of modes (and the parts/engineering required)?

I don't think it would be anymore than Transmetal Megatron.
That is, unless he'd be significantly bigger.

So if Commander Ultra Magnus is due in October, then may we be getting his reveal soon then?

ZeroWolf wrote:So if Commander Ultra Magnus is due in October, then may we be getting his reveal soon then?

Indeed I hope so. I'm skipping Armada Prime for this one.

After this year, SS86 could easily be the only subline that keeps me “collecting”
(Because I suppose even buying 1-3 figures per year would still be collecting).
But assuming they stick to characters who had at least 2-3 seconds of screen time in the film,
how much longer can this subline continue??
I wouldn’t be at all surprised if ‘24 is the last year.
Between a CC Prime, Swoop, hopefully a new Soundwave, a new Sunstreaker, and maybe 1 other, that could be enough to cover SS86’s share of the SS releases for the year.

In terms of 86 as in the Movie, probably not that much left to cover really. So I don't think it can't last much beyond 24, unless they utilize it to specifically cover G1 reissues and or repaints. Or even new molds I guess. I know that I would like to see a boombox/cassette player specific Soundwave and not some retool of a whatever it was. And of course it would be nice to get Sunstreaker back out for those who couldn't acquire it the first time, and hopefully get some color matching fixes. Oh and to somehow get VW BB out again.

I forget who all actually appeared in the 86 movie that were only briefly seen or killed off but I believe it has sufficiently been covered. And frankly with PFP I have no desire for the SS86 packaging anymore since you can no longer see the Bot inside, so might as well end it and just put those remaining G1 characters in the main line.

All that aside, I still do want a better Astrotrain at some point soon. Whatever the line is being called at the time of release.

Random theory here: I don't think Commander Optimus Prime will be a SS86 or Legacy (or whatever) figure, I think it'll be its own stand alone release as a "bonus Commander" to commemorate the 40th Anniversary. It's going to be a huge seller so may as well make it Commander number three for the year.

Since SS86 is going to be over before we know it I'm guessing they'll do more stuff from TV that hasn't been well handled by Hasbro (SS Japan?) and more game stuff. I think the SSGE WFC stuff is just setting a standard before they go full on into figures for the new Reactivate game.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:
Since SS86 is going to be over before we know it I'm guessing they'll do more stuff from TV that hasn't been well handled by Hasbro (SS Japan?) and more game stuff. I think the SSGE WFC stuff is just setting a standard before they go full on into figures for the new Reactivate game.

Emerje

According to Evan, it's not even close to over for SS86 as he says EVERY CHARACTER in the movie is "on the table"(assist from DMac). I know that sounds...ambitious, but it does seem to indicate there's no end in sight to this part of Studio Series.

sol magnus wrote:

Emerje wrote:
Since SS86 is going to be over before we know it I'm guessing they'll do more stuff from TV that hasn't been well handled by Hasbro (SS Japan?) and more game stuff. I think the SSGE WFC stuff is just setting a standard before they go full on into figures for the new Reactivate game.

Emerje

According to Evan, it's not even close to over for SS86 as he says EVERY CHARACTER in the movie is "on the table"(assist from DMac). I know that sounds...ambitious, but it does seem to indicate there's no end in sight to this part of Studio Series.

Only so many characters appeared in the movie, and a lot if them have been done already. So there is definitely an end. But I am very ecstatic at the prospect of EVERY character being done.

sol magnus wrote:

Emerje wrote:
Since SS86 is going to be over before we know it I'm guessing they'll do more stuff from TV that hasn't been well handled by Hasbro (SS Japan?) and more game stuff. I think the SSGE WFC stuff is just setting a standard before they go full on into figures for the new Reactivate game.

Emerje

According to Evan, it's not even close to over for SS86 as he says EVERY CHARACTER in the movie is "on the table"(assist from DMac). I know that sounds...ambitious, but it does seem to indicate there's no end in sight to this part of Studio Series.

That would mean redoing a whole lot of figures already done really well in WFC and Legacy. Do we really need another Cyclonus? Glavatron? All the Seekers? Insecticons? I have a lot of doubts.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:

sol magnus wrote:

Emerje wrote:
Since SS86 is going to be over before we know it I'm guessing they'll do more stuff from TV that hasn't been well handled by Hasbro (SS Japan?) and more game stuff. I think the SSGE WFC stuff is just setting a standard before they go full on into figures for the new Reactivate game.

Emerje

According to Evan, it's not even close to over for SS86 as he says EVERY CHARACTER in the movie is "on the table"(assist from DMac). I know that sounds...ambitious, but it does seem to indicate there's no end in sight to this part of Studio Series.

That would mean redoing a whole lot of figures already done really well in WFC and Legacy. Do we really need another Cyclonus? Glavatron? All the Seekers? Insecticons? I have a lot of doubts.

What if they're just rereleases in SS86 packaging? Like Blaster was for Kingdom and Legacy?

Sowndwave76 wrote:Between a CC Prime, Swoop, hopefully a new Soundwave, a new Sunstreaker, and maybe 1 other, that could be enough to cover SS86’s share of the SS releases for the year.

As a reminder (because I guess that's just what I do in this thread these days), we've got like a wave and a half's-worth of 2024 SS listings, so we know that Leader Swoop and another Wreck-Gar retool are on the docket, plus the potentially-mislabeled listings of "MV6"/Bumblebee Core Rumble, Deluxe Sunstreaker, and Leader Megatron (and possibly Voyager Shockwave, but I think that one is actually correct since Shockwave was actually in that film).

Now as for what a second 86 Rumble would actually mean when we already have the 86 Frenzy listing for this year, beats me.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Nemesis Primal wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:I wonder how any version of Megatron could be a Commander?

RID Megatron maybe, just due to sheer number of modes (and the parts/engineering required)?

I don't think it would be anymore than Transmetal Megatron.
That is, unless he'd be significantly bigger.

I mean, I'm not confident on it, he's just the only one I could think of that could hit the right combination of size + complexity/parts count. I haven't seen much RiD, but I'm pretty sure from what I remember that Megs was taller than Scourge (who we have currently at Voyager-ish height) and around the same size as Optimus in his armored/combined modes or just slightly shorter, and that Optimus would almost certainly be a Commander release himself at this point, so I'm thinking that height plus the engineering and parts count to hit anywhere between 6-10 alt modes could get it up there.

Emerje wrote:

sol magnus wrote:

Emerje wrote:
Since SS86 is going to be over before we know it I'm guessing they'll do more stuff from TV that hasn't been well handled by Hasbro (SS Japan?) and more game stuff. I think the SSGE WFC stuff is just setting a standard before they go full on into figures for the new Reactivate game.

Emerje

According to Evan, it's not even close to over for SS86 as he says EVERY CHARACTER in the movie is "on the table"(assist from DMac). I know that sounds...ambitious, but it does seem to indicate there's no end in sight to this part of Studio Series.

That would mean redoing a whole lot of figures already done really well in WFC and Legacy. Do we really need another Cyclonus? Glavatron? All the Seekers? Insecticons? I have a lot of doubts.

Emerje

No, we don't need redoes of everybody. I'm not even saying I believe it will happen, much less that I agree with it. But that was the sentiment expressed explicitly in the livestream. I mean, if we get Sunstreaker, I'd call it good if you want my personal wish list.

Till-all-R1 wrote:I'd also consider a Titan Superion.

Well this one should be in the "figures-Hasbro-will-never-make" thread, but if we got a leader class Silverbolt with 4 voyager Aerialbots, I would most likely cream my pants. But going by Legacy Menasor, it's very doubtful, even if adding up the prices for all 5 Stunticons equals to a Titan price.

sol magnus wrote:According to Evan, it's not even close to over for SS86 as he says EVERY CHARACTER in the movie is "on the table"(assist from DMac). I know that sounds...ambitious, but it does seem to indicate there's no end in sight to this part of Studio Series.

I like their optimism and and all, but as has been voiced most of those have already been done. And done quite well. Like I said earlier there's really only a few left that haven't been made yet and mainly ones like VW Bee that could use a reissue. The only one that comes to mind are Kranix, a very obscure character who lasts only minutes. Would they even bother?

Sure they could possibly justify keeping the subline around simply for reissues of either HTF figures or just to get them back out again for new fans like that have done for decades. Reissues are a constant regardless if we feel they should be released again or not. While some releases might even seem unrelated to the subline itself being named "86", it could be an avenue for any character loosely associated/connected with G1 era. Such as a Target Thrust reissue which may still be on some people's want list, as well as Prowl from the Autobot Alliance 2-pk. So there are things they can do to to warrant not ending the subline, but as far as unmade characters from the actual movie. IDK how far that could possibly go unless it's one character per year.