The Energon Pub

[Sabrblade]

And if I were to get a Micron Densetsu Shockwave (Tidal Wave), can he be considered part of a Shockwave collection?

I have been asking myself this too. I cam up with "no" as an answer since he is not shockwave proper but a robot by the same name, and doesnt really have any callbacks to the G1 character aside from the purple colour.

Yeah, I came up with the same reasoning, more or less. They're same in name and color only. Makes me want a CW Tidal Wave. Titan Class, get on it!

I disagree. Though he was different in personality and looks he was still just as much the Shockwave of Armada as, say, Ironhide was the Ironhide of Energon. Plus, Tidal Wave does have a callback to G1 Shockwave in not only his colors, but in his pre-Earth Cybertronian form being a G1 Shockwave-esque "Space Gun" ship mode:

[DedicatedGhostArt]

If they do a grey recolor, does he have to come with a willy?

(I own that grey version. I would have to seriously consider getting a grey MP paintjob...)

(no comment.)
Of course, every guy comes with one...

Personally, I don't get repaints, unless it is a combiner or I wannit. Masterpieces are too expensive for me to get multiple ones of the same mold.

[william-james88]

If they do a grey recolor, does he have to come with a willy?

(I own that grey version. I would have to seriously consider getting a grey MP paintjob...)

(no comment.)
Of course, every guy comes with one...

Personally, I don't get repaints, unless it is a combiner or I wannit. Masterpieces are too expensive for me to get multiple ones of the same mold.

Well, sometimes it works for a character. Bluestreak, Prowl and Somkescreen are the same looking car while Sideswipe and Red Alert are as well. So repaints make sense in that case.

[Agamemnon]

If they do a grey recolor, does he have to come with a willy?

(I own that grey version. I would have to seriously consider getting a grey MP paintjob...)

(no comment.)
Of course, every guy comes with one...

The trigger ends up in an unfortunate position. They modified it nicely for the G1 Shockwave release.

[RiddlerJ]

And if I were to get a Micron Densetsu Shockwave (Tidal Wave), can he be considered part of a Shockwave collection?

I have been asking myself this too. I cam up with "no" as an answer since he is not shockwave proper but a robot by the same name, and doesnt really have any callbacks to the G1 character aside from the purple colour.

Yeah, I came up with the same reasoning, more or less. They're same in name and color only. Makes me want a CW Tidal Wave. Titan Class, get on it!

I disagree. Though he was different in personality and looks he was still just as much the Shockwave of Armada as, say, Ironhide was the Ironhide of Energon. Plus, Tidal Wave does have a callback to G1 Shockwave in not only his colors, but in his pre-Earth Cybertronian form being a G1 Shockwave-esque "Space Gun" ship mode:

But wouldn't Shockblast be the Shockwave of that particular continuity?

[william-james88]

But wouldn't Shockblast be the Shockwave of that particular continuity?

Thats what I was thinking.

[Sabrblade]

And if I were to get a Micron Densetsu Shockwave (Tidal Wave), can he be considered part of a Shockwave collection?

I have been asking myself this too. I cam up with "no" as an answer since he is not shockwave proper but a robot by the same name, and doesnt really have any callbacks to the G1 character aside from the purple colour.

Yeah, I came up with the same reasoning, more or less. They're same in name and color only. Makes me want a CW Tidal Wave. Titan Class, get on it!

I disagree. Though he was different in personality and looks he was still just as much the Shockwave of Armada as, say, Ironhide was the Ironhide of Energon. Plus, Tidal Wave does have a callback to G1 Shockwave in not only his colors, but in his pre-Earth Cybertronian form being a G1 Shockwave-esque "Space Gun" ship mode:

But wouldn't Shockblast be the Shockwave of that particular continuity?

Japan was able to get around that by utilizing both of Shockwave's names for each character. Tidal Wave was called "Shockwave" (until he was upgraded into Mirage, who was called "Shockfleet" instead), while Shockblast was called "Laserwave" (G1 Shockwave's original Japanese name). The history between the two characters not getting along with each other likewise plays into this as one could view it as two Shockwave analogs fighting for the same role. But if there must be only one, let's say that it was Tidal Wave at first, but then Shockblast succeeded Tidal Wave for the role after Tidal Wave got upgraded, which would be the point where Tidal Wave ceased being a Shockwave analog.

[DedicatedGhostArt]

If they do a grey recolor, does he have to come with a willy?

(I own that grey version. I would have to seriously consider getting a grey MP paintjob...)

(no comment.)
Of course, every guy comes with one...

Personally, I don't get repaints, unless it is a combiner or I wannit. Masterpieces are too expensive for me to get multiple ones of the same mold.

Well, sometimes it works for a character. Bluestreak, Prowl and Somkescreen are the same looking car while Sideswipe and Red Alert are as well. So repaints make sense in that case.

Yeah but I don't really care much about all of those characters. I would probably only get Bluestreak out of the Nissan brothers.

If they do a grey recolor, does he have to come with a willy?

(I own that grey version. I would have to seriously consider getting a grey MP paintjob...)

(no comment.)
Of course, every guy comes with one...

The trigger ends up in an unfortunate position. They modified it nicely for the G1 Shockwave release.

HA! I didn't think you meant that so literally when you said "willy"!

[D-Maximal_Primal]

If they do a grey recolor, does he have to come with a willy?

(I own that grey version. I would have to seriously consider getting a grey MP paintjob...)

(no comment.)
Of course, every guy comes with one...

Personally, I don't get repaints, unless it is a combiner or I wannit. Masterpieces are too expensive for me to get multiple ones of the same mold.

Don't forget Seekers! They are repaints of each other!

[DedicatedGhostArt]

If they do a grey recolor, does he have to come with a willy?

(I own that grey version. I would have to seriously consider getting a grey MP paintjob...)

(no comment.)
Of course, every guy comes with one...

Personally, I don't get repaints, unless it is a combiner or I wannit. Masterpieces are too expensive for me to get multiple ones of the same mold.

Don't forget Seekers! They are repaints of each other!

Yeah I know, who can forget.

[Optimum Supreme]

If they do a grey recolor, does he have to come with a willy?

(I own that grey version. I would have to seriously consider getting a grey MP paintjob...)

(no comment.)
Of course, every guy comes with one...

The trigger ends up in an unfortunate position. They modified it nicely for the G1 Shockwave release.

A little table is nice (he could set his drinks on it) but I sure wouldn't think it nice if something like that replaced MY willy.

I disagree. Though he was different in personality and looks he was still just as much the Shockwave of Armada as, say, Ironhide was the Ironhide of Energon.

And that's an example of exactly why I wouldn't consider Armada Tidal/Shockwave as a version of a "proper" Shockwave. Energon Ironhide has nothing in common with "real" Ironhide, just the same name, he's not another version of the same character at all.

Obviously, that's just my opinion, but I'm sticking to it.

[Rodimus Prime]

I disagree. Though he was different in personality and looks he was still just as much the Shockwave of Armada as, say, Ironhide was the Ironhide of Energon.

And that's an example of exactly why I wouldn't consider Armada Tidal/Shockwave as a version of a "proper" Shockwave. Energon Ironhide has nothing in common with "real" Ironhide, just the same name, he's not another version of the same character at all.

That's what I thought as well. In Super Link he was called Roadbuster, and he had nothing in common with the G1 owner of that name either.

[Sabrblade]

I disagree. Though he was different in personality and looks he was still just as much the Shockwave of Armada as, say, Ironhide was the Ironhide of Energon.

And that's an example of exactly why I wouldn't consider Armada Tidal/Shockwave as a version of a "proper" Shockwave. Energon Ironhide has nothing in common with "real" Ironhide, just the same name, he's not another version of the same character at all.

That's what I thought as well. In Super Link he was called Roadbuster, and he had nothing in common with the G1 owner of that name either.

That was the Unicron Trilogy's thing. Aside from Optimus, Megatron, and Starscream, it made new versions of old characters in radical ways. The Movieverse does so as well with cold-hearted black Ironhide, kill-crazy silver Sideswipe, non-music-related silver Soundwave, Driller tamer gray Shockwave, monstrous gray Starscream, non-insane Earthen truck silver Galvatron, Ebonics-speaking green Skids, Decepticon-turned-Autobot wiseguy blue Wheelie, murder-lovin' fat bearded Hound, etc. etc.

Not every iteration of a character has to be beholden to G1 to be an iteration of the character they are. Even the aforementioned Energon Shockblast was nothing like G1 Shockwave. He didn't adhere to logic or care about science or anything G1 Shockwave and his homages are known for. He was a psychopathic mass murderer who hated everyone and everything, and eventually went completely deranged and insane. He had more in common with Heath Ledger's Joker than any version of Shockwave.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

I disagree. Though he was different in personality and looks he was still just as much the Shockwave of Armada as, say, Ironhide was the Ironhide of Energon.

And that's an example of exactly why I wouldn't consider Armada Tidal/Shockwave as a version of a "proper" Shockwave. Energon Ironhide has nothing in common with "real" Ironhide, just the same name, he's not another version of the same character at all.

That's what I thought as well. In Super Link he was called Roadbuster, and he had nothing in common with the G1 owner of that name either.

That was the Unicron Trilogy's thing. Aside from Optimus, Megatron, and Starscream, it made new versions of old characters in radical ways. The Movieverse does so as well with cold-hearted black Ironhide, kill-crazy silver Sideswipe, non-music-related silver Soundwave, Driller tamer gray Shockwave, monstrous gray Starscream, non-insane Earthen truck silver Galvatron, Ebonics-speaking green Skids, Decepticon-turned-Autobot wiseguy blue Wheelie, murder-lovin' fat bearded Hound, etc. etc.

Not every iteration of a character has to be beholden to G1 to be an iteration of the character they are. Even the aforementioned Energon Shockblast was nothing like G1 Shockwave. He didn't adhere to logic or care about science or anything G1 Shockwave and his homages are known for. He was a psychopathic mass murderer who hated everyone and everything, and eventually went completely deranged and insane. He had more in common with Heath Ledger's Joker than any version of Shockwave.

Never heard of the joker idea, but looking into it it really does fit

[Thormind]

And that folks is why 3rd Party action figures is a waste of money.

For a moment you stop looking only at the aesthetic and you start looking at the design.

-Then you realize the upper legs are panel formed with a lot of small parts and assembled with pins. You then remember "that" chest piece on Prime that still doesnt close perfectly (after how many versions??) because in 2015, pins are still "hard" to align.

-Then you look at the shoulder joints and they seems really thin and fragile.

-Then You see the switch on his arm suggesting electronic parts and you remember how durable these usually are on TT/Hasbro toys.

-Then you remember TT/Hasbro sub minimal use of diecast part. You wonder how stable those cute small legs will be with no diecast parts and those shaky panels?

- Then early pricing suggest that even with mass production and lower quality material, hes going to be more expensive than the competition.

- Then you remember "that" (or those) Dinobot(s) you bought that feels so much better than the only official Dinobot you paid the same price.

- Then you remember that TT is charging 200$ for a recolor of a mold that has already been milked to the bone. That same mold selling for less than 60$ at a big toy store near you. Of course the price is justified because it's some kind of exclusive product they couldnt mass market.

- Then you remember that 3rd party companies continue to offer support after they sold you something and provide you with replacement parts or free upgrades. You look at the cosmic rust on those legs and wonder why the big official company never did anything about it. Or you look at all the upgrades you bough from those 3rd party because the official one didn't care about making any.

I can go on an on but i think i made my point . I'm keeping my preorder for the "quake" version because most of my 3rd party TF dont feel like wasted money. Cant say the same thing about "that" Megatron, or "that" Rodimus

[Cyberpath]

HQ pix from To Ho:

[Rodimus Prime]

HQ pix from To Ho:

Haven't noticed before, but those feet are a bit narrow compared to the legs. Looks like he's wearing bellbottoms.

[Sabrblade]

HQ pix from To Ho:

Haven't noticed before, but those feet are a bit narrow compared to the legs. Looks like he's wearing bellbottoms.

Looking at the animation model in comparison, it looks more like that the feet are fine while the lower legs themselves are too wide. I wonder if the insides of the lower legs could be folded or squeezed more into the outsides of the lower legs to make them more narrow.

[LOST Cybertronian]

Haven't noticed before, but those feet are a bit narrow compared to the legs. Looks like he's wearing bellbottoms.

Disco Shockwave repaint anyone?

[xMXUx]

Color pictures of Shockwave

[-Kanrabat-]

As expected, LEADER SIZED! YASS!

Still, what is the thingamajing the gun mode is resting on? If it's part of the robot mode, it will be lame as hell. If it's an extra accessory that turn into a something, it would be great.

[Insurgent]

It's either part of his backpack, or one of his accessories. Probably an accessory, since what else could he come with?

[fenrir72]

Color pictures of Shockwave

Yesssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Cyberpath]

Color pictures of Shockwave

Looks like the purple-stand clips over the gun-barrel in robot-mode. (pictured without it on the left, but you can see that piece on the prototype: seibertron.com/p1729207.)

So there's Megatron's entourage.. without Megatron.

[robotmel]

Darn it, and there was me thinking about giving up buying Takara Masterpiece figures!