Desslok2201 wrote:Seriously. I can't believe Hasbro has anything more than minimal input on MPs. If they did, they might try to get something out of them. Something more than a once a year presence at TRU. They might try releasing them online only to collectors, like Mattel did that last Voltron release. I can't imagine anyone actually waiting for Hasbro to release an MP- what do they have now, 5 or so?
Railbomb wrote:Desslok2201 wrote:Seriously. I can't believe Hasbro has anything more than minimal input on MPs. If they did, they might try to get something out of them. Something more than a once a year presence at TRU. They might try releasing them online only to collectors, like Mattel did that last Voltron release. I can't imagine anyone actually waiting for Hasbro to release an MP- what do they have now, 5 or so?
I'm waiting on Hasbro to release Magnus. I expect there to be something next year for the movie's 30th anniversary. Hopefully a complete release for Rodimus too. The characters that were actually in the G1 cartoon and not named (looking at you Acid Storm and Sunstorm) latter seem to fly off shelves around were I live. The only one that sat there for a while was YOTH Optimus.
I've decided to put SS with my Classics as well. He just doesn't feel like a MP figure to me, but is a great, and huge, Classics figure.Flashwave wrote:Well, this is my first MP since Megatron. I love it, and I love him. Saber is a very nice fit into my CLassics/Generations figures (I don't do toyline shelves) and the combined robot form is HUGE!! I can't wait to get some new Leaders to compare that thing.
william-james88 wrote:So that would also be the case for Predaking, who is also six members.
Railbomb wrote:Desslok2201 wrote:Seriously. I can't believe Hasbro has anything more than minimal input on MPs. If they did, they might try to get something out of them. Something more than a once a year presence at TRU. They might try releasing them online only to collectors, like Mattel did that last Voltron release. I can't imagine anyone actually waiting for Hasbro to release an MP- what do they have now, 5 or so?
I'm waiting on Hasbro to release Magnus. I expect there to be something next year for the movie's 30th anniversary. Hopefully a complete release for Rodimus too. The characters that were actually in the G1 cartoon and not named (looking at you Acid Storm and Sunstorm) latter seem to fly off shelves around were I live. The only one that sat there for a while was YOTH Optimus.
SimianProphet wrote:It's not a bad figure, but it is a bit simple for a Masterpiece figure (though maybe I have just been spoiled by MP Magnus). Otherwise it is pretty cool. I do have two questions/concerns though:Rough Transformations points- there are times when separating pieces, that it feels like they could break. In fact, I have yet to be able to remove the Star Saber helmet from the smaller figure without it actually sending the little yellow head crest piece (from smaller figure) flying! Anyone else having that problem, or know a solution?
Weapon/Parts Storage- there just does not seem to be enough places for everything to go. I have seen the small hilt can go under the backpack in V-star mode, but it would be nice to have a place for that in robot mode (when not in use), or a proper place for the shield to go when it is not being used as a stand, or for the Shield handle to go when it is being used as a stand. Has anyone found some more solutions for those?
Any thoughts?
The 1988 cartoon animators made Star Saber's animation model based on the 1988 toy.fenrir72 wrote:The anime Victory was most likely released/developed at the same time as the toy was. Compared to the anime though, the face "battle up" mask was miles apart in the anime.
Been watching the Shout! DVDs with the most atrocious definition Toei could release but looking at how Starsaber was rendered in the anime......so proportional and well..............COOL/AWESOME! It makes me wonder how the animators rendered and foresaw what Star would look like? That was in 1988-90. That or Yuki is just one darn great engineer as he used the anime(?) to base what the MP robot incarnation would look like.
Beware the subtitle translation of that release.fenrir72 wrote:Been watching the Shout! DVDs
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:The 1988 cartoon animators made Star Saber's animation model based on the 1988 toy.fenrir72 wrote:The anime Victory was most likely released/developed at the same time as the toy was. Compared to the anime though, the face "battle up" mask was miles apart in the anime.
Been watching the Shout! DVDs with the most atrocious definition Toei could release but looking at how Starsaber was rendered in the anime......so proportional and well..............COOL/AWESOME! It makes me wonder how the animators rendered and foresaw what Star would look like? That was in 1988-90. That or Yuki is just one darn great engineer as he used the anime(?) to base what the MP robot incarnation would look like.
Also,Beware the subtitle translation of that release.fenrir72 wrote:Been watching the Shout! DVDs
Because Yuki modeled the MP on the 1980s animation model, just as is done for every MP. What's the problem?fenrir72 wrote:But the animation model of Star Saber is an almost near exact copy of the MP version. Except for where the rear landing gear's location and the lack of a cockpit for Jean to ride on in the "Battle Up" helmet.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Because Yuki modeled the MP on the 1980s animation model, just as is done for every MP. What's the problem?fenrir72 wrote:But the animation model of Star Saber is an almost near exact copy of the MP version. Except for where the rear landing gear's location and the lack of a cockpit for Jean to ride on in the "Battle Up" helmet.
Cobotron wrote:Hey! You seemed to have attracted a wild Megatronus. They're hard to find, but boy are they fun when you catch one!
Sabrblade wrote:Because Yuki modeled the MP on the 1980s animation model, just as is done for every MP. What's the problem?fenrir72 wrote:But the animation model of Star Saber is an almost near exact copy of the MP version. Except for where the rear landing gear's location and the lack of a cockpit for Jean to ride on in the "Battle Up" helmet.
The animators simplified the original toy's face (and most of its overall look) for the cartoon model, as simplifying the designs of the toys for animation was a common practice back then, dating back to the 1984 G1 years.fenrir72 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Because Yuki modeled the MP on the 1980s animation model, just as is done for every MP. What's the problem?fenrir72 wrote:But the animation model of Star Saber is an almost near exact copy of the MP version. Except for where the rear landing gear's location and the lack of a cockpit for Jean to ride on in the "Battle Up" helmet.
There is no problem at all. My first post stated why the original animation model was not the exact copy of the original toy. You stated they were probably developed together. The MP Battle Up helmet is a near exact copy of the animation. Amazing is the least I can say.The original's face doesn't look at all like the animation.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:The animators simplified the original toy's face (and most of its overall look) for the cartoon model, as simplifying the designs of the toys for animation was a common practice back then, dating back to the 1984 G1 years.fenrir72 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Because Yuki modeled the MP on the 1980s animation model, just as is done for every MP. What's the problem?fenrir72 wrote:But the animation model of Star Saber is an almost near exact copy of the MP version. Except for where the rear landing gear's location and the lack of a cockpit for Jean to ride on in the "Battle Up" helmet.
There is no problem at all. My first post stated why the original animation model was not the exact copy of the original toy. You stated they were probably developed together. The MP Battle Up helmet is a near exact copy of the animation. Amazing is the least I can say.The original's face doesn't look at all like the animation.
The later series just kept closer to toy-accuracy than the earlier ones did. But the show designs were still made simpler than the toy designs. I really don't see how Star Saber's case is really all that different from any other who went from G1 toy --> G1 cartoon model --> MP toy.fenrir72 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:The animators simplified the original toy's face (and most of its overall look) for the cartoon model, as simplifying the designs of the toys for animation was a common practice back then, dating back to the 1984 G1 years.fenrir72 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Because Yuki modeled the MP on the 1980s animation model, just as is done for every MP. What's the problem?fenrir72 wrote:But the animation model of Star Saber is an almost near exact copy of the MP version. Except for where the rear landing gear's location and the lack of a cockpit for Jean to ride on in the "Battle Up" helmet.
There is no problem at all. My first post stated why the original animation model was not the exact copy of the original toy. You stated they were probably developed together. The MP Battle Up helmet is a near exact copy of the animation. Amazing is the least I can say.The original's face doesn't look at all like the animation.
The initial F.Dery simplification is waaaaaaaaaaay different from the Japanese style of "simplification" It could already be seen in Headmasters onwards to Victory.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:The later series just kept closer to toy-accuracy than the earlier ones did. But the show designs were still made simpler than the toy designs. I really don't see how Star Saber's case is really all that different from any other who went from G1 toy --> G1 cartoon model --> MP toy.fenrir72 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:The animators simplified the original toy's face (and most of its overall look) for the cartoon model, as simplifying the designs of the toys for animation was a common practice back then, dating back to the 1984 G1 years.fenrir72 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Because Yuki modeled the MP on the 1980s animation model, just as is done for every MP. What's the problem?fenrir72 wrote:But the animation model of Star Saber is an almost near exact copy of the MP version. Except for where the rear landing gear's location and the lack of a cockpit for Jean to ride on in the "Battle Up" helmet.
There is no problem at all. My first post stated why the original animation model was not the exact copy of the original toy. You stated they were probably developed together. The MP Battle Up helmet is a near exact copy of the animation. Amazing is the least I can say.The original's face doesn't look at all like the animation.
The initial F.Dery simplification is waaaaaaaaaaay different from the Japanese style of "simplification" It could already be seen in Headmasters onwards to Victory.
But... that's... that's how virtually all of the MPs are. The MPs are meant to look like the characters in the show that they represent. Convoy, Grimlock, the Seekers, Rodimus Convoy, Lambor, Soundwave, the Cassettrons, Alert, Prowl, Streak, Smokescreen, Wheeljack (save for his colors), Bumble, and Ultra Magnus all look like the show characters just like how Star Saber does.fenrir72 wrote:My case is that for the MP and how in leaps and bounds it's transition to the toy is than the original. That the figure now actually looks like the character in the show.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:But... that's... that's how virtually all of the MPs are. The MPs are meant to look like the characters in the show that they represent. Convoy, Grimlock, the Seekers, Rodimus Convoy, Lambor, Soundwave, the Cassettrons, Alert, Prowl, Streak, Smokescreen, Wheeljack (save for his colors), Bumble, and Ultra Magnus all look like the show characters just like how Star Saber does.fenrir72 wrote:My case is that for the MP and how in leaps and bounds it's transition to the toy is than the original. That the figure now actually looks like the character in the show.
What of the others I mentioned? Grimlock, the Seekers, Rodimus Convoy, Lambor, Soundwave, the Cassettrons, Alert, Wheeljack (save for his colors), and Ultra Magnus?fenrir72 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:But... that's... that's how virtually all of the MPs are. The MPs are meant to look like the characters in the show that they represent. Convoy, Grimlock, the Seekers, Rodimus Convoy, Lambor, Soundwave, the Cassettrons, Alert, Prowl, Streak, Smokescreen, Wheeljack (save for his colors), Bumble, and Ultra Magnus all look like the show characters just like how Star Saber does.fenrir72 wrote:My case is that for the MP and how in leaps and bounds it's transition to the toy is than the original. That the figure now actually looks like the character in the show.
Nope. For the G1 Cars, they all look like the Studio Ox renders. Not the Floro Dery simplified versions. Convoy? A mix of the Studio Ox (save for the now hidden side wheels) and DW incarnation. Bumble is a whole different animal as a bit of the toy plus that wheel on his back more or less that circular decal on the original toy.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:What of the others I mentioned? Grimlock, the Seekers, Rodimus Convoy, Lambor, Soundwave, the Cassettrons, Alert, Wheeljack (save for his colors), and Ultra Magnus?fenrir72 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:But... that's... that's how virtually all of the MPs are. The MPs are meant to look like the characters in the show that they represent. Convoy, Grimlock, the Seekers, Rodimus Convoy, Lambor, Soundwave, the Cassettrons, Alert, Prowl, Streak, Smokescreen, Wheeljack (save for his colors), Bumble, and Ultra Magnus all look like the show characters just like how Star Saber does.fenrir72 wrote:My case is that for the MP and how in leaps and bounds it's transition to the toy is than the original. That the figure now actually looks like the character in the show.
Nope. For the G1 Cars, they all look like the Studio Ox renders. Not the Floro Dery simplified versions. Convoy? A mix of the Studio Ox (save for the now hidden side wheels) and DW incarnation. Bumble is a whole different animal as a bit of the toy plus that wheel on his back more or less that circular decal on the original toy.
Oh, they eventually got to meet:Insurgent wrote:Two friends that never met, but would have got on like a house on fire!
That. Is. AWESOME!Madeus Prime wrote:Figured I'd post this:
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
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