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fenrir72 wrote:wilcosu35 wrote:Randomhero wrote:MegaDump wrote:As much as I'd like to have Ironhide & Ratchet, I just can't accept these molds as definitive versions. A simple Google search for "3rd party Ratchet/Ironhide" shows some far superior designs. Has/Tak have got to seriously question their standards when 3rd party companies start making better versions of their own characters.
Maybe some people don't mind this design and would rather have an official one and support the company that created those characters instead of buying from someone whose infringing on another's intellectual property and slapping a reprolabel symbol on it after word.
That's basically why i'm getting this one. I'm not against 3rd party stuff, but in the case of Masterpieces i will always buy official figures when i have the choice.
Ditto!
If given the choice between tofu steak and Kobe/Angus steak, I'd take the latter anytime!
fenrir72 wrote:wilcosu35 wrote:Randomhero wrote:MegaDump wrote:As much as I'd like to have Ironhide & Ratchet, I just can't accept these molds as definitive versions. A simple Google search for "3rd party Ratchet/Ironhide" shows some far superior designs. Has/Tak have got to seriously question their standards when 3rd party companies start making better versions of their own characters.
Maybe some people don't mind this design and would rather have an official one and support the company that created those characters instead of buying from someone whose infringing on another's intellectual property and slapping a reprolabel symbol on it after word.
That's basically why i'm getting this one. I'm not against 3rd party stuff, but in the case of Masterpieces i will always buy official figures when i have the choice.
Ditto!
If given the choice between tofu steak and Kobe/Angus steak, I'd take the latter anytime!
Burn wrote:Let it be known, I murdered Amelie.
Accidentally.
MegaDump wrote:fenrir72 wrote:wilcosu35 wrote:Randomhero wrote:MegaDump wrote:As much as I'd like to have Ironhide & Ratchet, I just can't accept these molds as definitive versions. A simple Google search for "3rd party Ratchet/Ironhide" shows some far superior designs. Has/Tak have got to seriously question their standards when 3rd party companies start making better versions of their own characters.
Maybe some people don't mind this design and would rather have an official one and support the company that created those characters instead of buying from someone whose infringing on another's intellectual property and slapping a reprolabel symbol on it after word.
That's basically why i'm getting this one. I'm not against 3rd party stuff, but in the case of Masterpieces i will always buy official figures when i have the choice.
Ditto!
If given the choice between tofu steak and Kobe/Angus steak, I'd take the latter anytime!
Guys, sorry if I didn't make my position more clear. I myself only buy the official releases; if it doesn't have a Has/Tak stamp, it's not a REAL Transformer in my book. I agree that supporting companies that infringe copyright is not ideal, but I can understand WHY some people do it. But if the goal of the Masterpiece line, especially from Takara, is to make the toy look as much like the cartoon as possible, surely we can agree that this mold is poorly executed. My main point was that toy-making powerhouses such as Hasbro & Takara should be LEADING the charge with exquisite designs. Instead, third-rate Chinese sweatshops are coming up with better solutions to solving the same problems. In this instance, I've seen alternate designs for Ratchet & Ironhide that are far superior. I understand there are people who like this design, but consider previous MP releases: who has a problem with MP Wheeljack? Prowl? Sideswipe? Nobody, or I'll eat my own fist. In short, it's not the Masterpiece I was expecting. This doesn't mean I'll stoop to buying a 3rd party figure, it means I wont be buying ANY of the Ratchet/Ironhide, at least until the design is improved.
Deathsaurus1 wrote:Why do people hate his the waist kibble?
Don't compare just to the cartoon. The masterpiece representation of every character should be seen as a new iteration of said character. Nothing is bad about Ironhide. Unless he has a problem where one hinge is prone to break, like mp3's wing hinges. Or fragile like mp5. Than he is looking solid.
Kibble to me is something that hinders the robot mode.
Cobotron wrote:Hey! You seemed to have attracted a wild Megatronus. They're hard to find, but boy are they fun when you catch one!
Randomhero wrote:MegaDump wrote:As much as I'd like to have Ironhide & Ratchet, I just can't accept these molds as definitive versions. A simple Google search for "3rd party Ratchet/Ironhide" shows some far superior designs. Has/Tak have got to seriously question their standards when 3rd party companies start making better versions of their own characters.
Maybe some people don't mind this design and would rather have an official one and support the company that created those characters instead of buying from someone whose infringing on another's intellectual property and slapping a reprolabel symbol on it after word.
I'm not sure either..munkimus prime wrote:I just don't get the hate this figure is receiving. This is probably the definitive version of Ironhide we will ever get.
Cobotron wrote:itscramtastic wrote:#TEAMPOSITIVITY!!!!!![]()
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I guess the only thing that would've been REALLY cool is if the side skirts could cover the butt wheels. I know they can't, butt it would've been neat. Either way, he, Ratchet, Hot Rod 2.0 and Shockwave are already pre-ordered and paid for, I'm just practicing what Cobotron has taught me: ninja-like patiencemunkimus prime wrote:One more thing where would the side skirts and wheels on his butt go since in the cartoon his Transformation defied the laws of physics with all his vehicle mode bits just disappearing into nothing....This figure is probably the best anyone could do with the design they had to work with and all we can do is be perfectionists who nit-pick every detail.
Burn wrote:Agamemnon wrote:Let's get back to talking about Burn's mammoth snout flopping...
Well I am Australian. It's kinda what we're known for.
Microraptor wrote:God, that hip-kibble is atrocious....I wouldn't mind, but the design team can do so much better.
I can't wait to get some pudding!Cyberpath wrote:I think he looks good, but the proof is in the pudding -- I guess we'll find out soon enough!
Burn wrote:Agamemnon wrote:Let's get back to talking about Burn's mammoth snout flopping...
Well I am Australian. It's kinda what we're known for.
munkimus prime wrote:I don't care what everyone else thinks. I cant wait to get this guy.
I don't know about the wheels, but those panels should have been engineered to slide, swivel, or flip up and cover the very obvious gaps in his mid-section. Or, how about they just follow the wheels and become butt kibble. That sounds a whole lot better than mucking up the robot mode and hindering the leg articulation.munkimus prime wrote:One more thing where would the side skirts and wheels on his butt go since in the cartoon his Transformation defied the laws of physics with all his vehicle mode bits just disappearing into nothing.
Please.munkimus prime wrote:What do you people want the designers to do, use black Magic to copy a design that in Robot mode had zero vehicle bits on show to work with and still transform into a van. I doubt even Hasui could of engineered that and still make it look good. This figure is probably the best anyone could do with the design they had to work with and all we can do is be perfectionists who nit-pick every detail.
Cobotron wrote:Hey! You seemed to have attracted a wild Megatronus. They're hard to find, but boy are they fun when you catch one!
Wow! ... and here I thought I was the only one who felt this way. It's why I don't care if he looks anything like the show model. I could even stand to have him look less so than he does.Glarryg wrote: my ideal MP Ironhide would be a modern version of the original toy rather than the TV character model
Burn wrote:Agamemnon wrote:Let's get back to talking about Burn's mammoth snout flopping...
Well I am Australian. It's kinda what we're known for.
MegaDump wrote:fenrir72 wrote:wilcosu35 wrote:Randomhero wrote:MegaDump wrote:As much as I'd like to have Ironhide & Ratchet, I just can't accept these molds as definitive versions. A simple Google search for "3rd party Ratchet/Ironhide" shows some far superior designs. Has/Tak have got to seriously question their standards when 3rd party companies start making better versions of their own characters.
Maybe some people don't mind this design and would rather have an official one and support the company that created those characters instead of buying from someone whose infringing on another's intellectual property and slapping a reprolabel symbol on it after word.
That's basically why i'm getting this one. I'm not against 3rd party stuff, but in the case of Masterpieces i will always buy official figures when i have the choice.
Ditto!
If given the choice between tofu steak and Kobe/Angus steak, I'd take the latter anytime!
Guys, sorry if I didn't make my position more clear. I myself only buy the official releases; if it doesn't have a Has/Tak stamp, it's not a REAL Transformer in my book. I agree that supporting companies that infringe copyright is not ideal, but I can understand WHY some people do it. But if the goal of the Masterpiece line, especially from Takara, is to make the toy look as much like the cartoon as possible, surely we can agree that this mold is poorly executed. My main point was that toy-making powerhouses such as Hasbro & Takara should be LEADING the charge with exquisite designs. Instead, third-rate Chinese sweatshops are coming up with better solutions to solving the same problems. In this instance, I've seen alternate designs for Ratchet & Ironhide that are far superior. I understand there are people who like this design, but consider previous MP releases: who has a problem with MP Wheeljack? Prowl? Sideswipe? Nobody, or I'll eat my own fist. In short, it's not the Masterpiece I was expecting. This doesn't mean I'll stoop to buying a 3rd party figure, it means I wont be buying ANY of the Ratchet/Ironhide, at least until the design is improved.
megatronus wrote:I don't know about the wheels, but those panels should have been engineered to slide, swivel, or flip up and cover the very obvious gaps in his mid-section. Or, how about they just follow the wheels and become butt kibble. That sounds a whole lot better than mucking up the robot mode and hindering the leg articulation.munkimus prime wrote:One more thing where would the side skirts and wheels on his butt go since in the cartoon his Transformation defied the laws of physics with all his vehicle mode bits just disappearing into nothing.Please.munkimus prime wrote:What do you people want the designers to do, use black Magic to copy a design that in Robot mode had zero vehicle bits on show to work with and still transform into a van. I doubt even Hasui could of engineered that and still make it look good. This figure is probably the best anyone could do with the design they had to work with and all we can do is be perfectionists who nit-pick every detail.![]()
Ironhide could have been better designed and engineered. It doesn't take black magic, it takes a budget. As nice as Ultra Magnus is, that toy definitely suffered in some areas because they tried very hard to cut costs. I would not be surprised if Ironhide was a similar case.
As far as I'm concerned, this figure is a decent placeholder, but not a definitive version of the character in any sense.
I pledge myself to your teachings, Master.Cobotron wrote:
You have learned well, Grasshopper.
Cobotron wrote:Wow! ... and here I thought I was the only one who felt this way. It's why I don't care if he looks anything like the show model. I could even stand to have him look less so than he does.Glarryg wrote: my ideal MP Ironhide would be a modern version of the original toy rather than the TV character model
Emerje wrote:I wonder if people would complain if the sled folded up on his back the way Shockwave's stand does?
Emerje
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