The Energon Pub

[Saber Prime]

I am enjoying the cartoon thus far. Here is my question. what in the world is going on with hasbro not showing prime with the trailer. prime is a fire truck. lately they have just been showing the cab. did i miss something here? what is hasbro and cartoon network's issue?

I prefer him without the trailor. I useually don't keep the trailors attached on any of my Optimus Prime's anyway. Except for RID because he doesn't look right without it.

[Galaxy_Convoy]

Just thought I'd throw this out there after watching the last episode of Transformers Animated called Nanosec. Did anyone else notice the two cars with numbers on them? There was one with 14 written on its door, and another with 7 on the door. Was wondering what all that was about.

[Nekoman]

Never bothered watching Total Meltdown until it aired yesterday, here’s my thoughts.

The entire episode centered around super villains and those don’t belong in a show about giant (and some times small) robots. I watched the episode with my brother and as he pointed out, both the muscle guy and Meltdown have been done a thousand and one times. They aren’t very creative villains nor are they interesting and the worst thing is they don’t belong in this sort of show.

I still cant get over the animation, for a show being named “animated” I don’t see very much of that. Some things don’t move very well, its jittery, slow, inconsistent, the list goes on.

Summarizing my thoughts, the half-assed animation is a big turnoff for me and the super villains are very clichéd, instead of a human villain cant they throw in another Decepticon? I’m sure Hasbro wouldn’t mind having something to make a toy of.

Also, on side note, this is the first time I’ve watched CN in years aside from Toonami and Adult swim and I’ve noticed they’re programming has gone down hill fast. Johnny test? Ben Ten? Live-action stuff on a cartoon channel!?!? Well I don’t know who watches that crap, but Animated is the best thing on CN right now and sadly, that doesn’t say much.

[Overcracker]

LOL Saber Prime. Think of some other scenes while you're at it.

As for you, Phatgod1, you should've watched the first three episodes before making up your mind about this series. Yes, I'll admit this episode wasn't the best one to see first, but at least it had the best human villain seen so far. The others that have been shown are mediocre compared to Meltdown. But go on Youtube, search for the first three episdoes entitled "Transform and Roll Out" and then state your opinion.

Thanks maybe I'll give it a look thanks for not flaming my opinion. But is it me or do these transformers seem more like Ninja Turtles Without a Master Splinter then a Army of sentient Robots. I just wish we could get the writing staff that did Beast Wars

Meltdown is not really the best episode, try watching Thrill of the Hunt, Blast from the Past or the first three Premiere episodes Transform and Roll out.

They give a better feel for what the cartoon is like.

As for being an army of sentient robots, in this case they aren't. Prime is the only one who went to the academy, BB, Bulkhead and Prowl are repair bots. Ratchet has war experience but he's a medic.

So they really should not feel like war bots. They are just a group of sentient robots. Not war machines.

The animators have problems deciding how to show prime. Sometime he has a trailer other times he doesn't, I wonder if the Leader class Prime toy will have a trailer.

I never really watched the A/E/C cartoons so can't really say if this is better or worse. I'm liking it so far, I wonder why people say the animation is choppy, I don't feel it is, I think its smooth, its just a different type of smooth, maybe somebody can give me some examples of where the animation might be choppy or not continuous.



They aren't an army far from it.

[Nekoman]

I never really watched the A/E/C cartoons so can't really say if this is better or worse. I'm liking it so far, I wonder why people say the animation is choppy, I don't feel it is, I think its smooth, its just a different type of smooth, maybe somebody can give me some examples of where the animation might be choppy or not continuous.

It just doesn’t look very fluent IMO. Sometimes it doesn’t seem to have much in-between animation and the characters can look inconsistent, like in Total Meltdown in the scene after they beat that big guy the first time and Bumblebee is talking to Prowl and Bulkhead, when Bumblebee turns his head toward Bulkhead (or Prowl, I cant remember) the grey part of his chin shrinks up.

On the other hand I’m very picky about animation.

[Saber Prime]

They're super distorted Transformers. I don't like the destortion either but I'm trying to ignore that and that's not hard to do sence I actully like the show so far.

For one thing I like that this is really the first series that had the main cast is shown in Cybertronian forms and will get toys of thoughs forms. The closest thing to that before this is Protoform Movie Prime but we really don't get a good look at any of their Protoforms in the movie itself and they all just looked alike. And then there's the Botcon Dawn of Futures Past but I really don't think some of them really match their show models. Kinda hard to make show models they never really showed into toys by repainting characters who didn't exsist at the time.

Anyway... I like the fact that the Autobots aren't fighting the Decepticons all the time I only with that their human villains could actully provide a challange.

The guy from "Total Meltdown" (Not Meltdown himself but the other guy) was a total rip off of Bane from Batman but the Meltdown character I like.

Allso the Autobots have never really been war bots. They allways are kinda thrust into it, not allways in the same way, but I've never vied them as being war ready.

And I really don't like Blast from the Past. I didn't like the original Dinobots and I don't like these Dinobots. I do like this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-aTbHsZJ9g

[Sabrblade]

The guy from "Total Meltdown" (Not Meltdown himself but the other guy) was a total rip off of Bane from Batman but the Meltdown character I like.

I agree with both. I like Meltdown, but I'm really looking forward to seeing The Headmaster.

And, yes Cyrus "(The) Colossus" Rhodes is alot like Bane from Batman. But I've only seen the "The Batman" version of him and haven't seem the "Batman: TAS" version. Is there much a difference between the two?

Also Saber Prime, I just read your sig. How 'bout abbreviating Armada as "Arm" or "TF:Arm" and Animated as "Anim" or "TF:Anim"?

[NiteStar]

Wait so whats happening?Ive been out of the loop.
Have they showed anything new yet since Nanosec?
Feels like forever. Damn showing re-runs already. geez, They really are trying hard to make us bored aren't they?
Have any Decepticons appeared in the Transformers yet.
It Is still the Transformers right?

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

The guy from "Total Meltdown" (Not Meltdown himself but the other guy) was a total rip off of Bane from Batman but the Meltdown character I like.

And Bane is pretty much a total rip off The Count of Monte Cristo.....back story wise anyway.

There are very little original characters in todays comics and toons.

Its really very sad

[Predacon Rampage]

Meltdown felt like a rip off of Mr.Freeze.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Meltdown felt like a rip off of Mr.Freeze.

I would say he was more a rip off of DR.Phosphorus.

[Overcracker]

Wait so whats happening?Ive been out of the loop.
Have they showed anything new yet since Nanosec?
Feels like forever. Damn showing re-runs already. geez, They really are trying hard to make us bored aren't they?
Have any Decepticons appeared in the Transformers yet.
It Is still the Transformers right?

I believe next Saturday is the next new episode since Thrill of the hunt. "Along came a Spider" We get to see Blackarachnia.

As for Decepticons so far only Lockdown, although he isn't really a Decepticon. More a Freelance Bounty Hunter. No real allegiance except to himself.

[Saber Prime]

The guy from "Total Meltdown" (Not Meltdown himself but the other guy) was a total rip off of Bane from Batman but the Meltdown character I like.

And Bane is pretty much a total rip off The Count of Monte Cristo.....back story wise anyway.

There are very little original characters in todays comics and toons.

Its really very sad

OK You completly lost me, how is Bane in any way related to The Count of Monte Cristo? (Well I guess this might depend on what version of Bane we're talking about. Cartoon and Movie can't be it. Well maybe TheBatman because I haven't actully seen any episodes with Bane yet. I seen one with Joker useing Bane's powers but that's it.)

Cyrus "(The) Colossus" Rhodes has a different set up than Bane but the basics are the same. He has some device attached to his body that pumps in Steroids or "Venom" into the character's body makeing him larger and stronger. (Or some times just Stronger in Banes case, again it depends on what version of Bane we're talking about.)

The one that really stands on in my head right now is the movie version of Bane. He didn't talk like the cartoon version and was little more than a henchman in the movie and that's basically was Cyrus was except for the whole not talking much thing. Movie Bane allso started out as a little shrimp before the Venom was pumped in just like Cyrus.

With both you defeat them by takeing out the device that pumps in the chemical that makes them super strong.

With Cyrus he has two things on his back that I think look like trash cans that pump in "Advance Steroids" and Bane, well each version of him allso has a slightly different device that useually consists of a tube and wrist controll (or the movie version just had a button on his chest.) That controlls how much of the Venom is being introduced to him.

Allso I think the term "Venom" came from the movie, I don't remember his chemical ever being given a name before that but it's been a while sence I seen anything feturing him.

[Sabrblade]

Let me sum up all the "Colossus is like Bane" bit by saying just which Bane he is closest to: the "The Batman" Bane. Watch the episode he first appears in if you can fidn it. You will see some similarities between the two and get to almost see "The Death of Batman" The episode name is "Traction".

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

OK You completly lost me, how is Bane in any way related to The Count of Monte Cristo? (Well I guess this might depend on what version of Bane we're talking about. Cartoon and Movie can't be it. Well maybe TheBatman because I haven't actully seen any episodes with Bane yet. I seen one with Joker useing Bane's powers but that's it.)

Cyrus "(The) Colossus" Rhodes has a different set up than Bane but the basics are the same. He has some device attached to his body that pumps in Steroids or "Venom" into the character's body makeing him larger and stronger. (Or some times just Stronger in Banes case, again it depends on what version of Bane we're talking about.)

The one that really stands on in my head right now is the movie version of Bane. He didn't talk like the cartoon version and was little more than a henchman in the movie and that's basically was Cyrus was except for the whole not talking much thing. Movie Bane allso started out as a little shrimp before the Venom was pumped in just like Cyrus.

With both you defeat them by takeing out the device that pumps in the chemical that makes them super strong.

With Cyrus he has two things on his back that I think look like trash cans that pump in "Advance Steroids" and Bane, well each version of him allso has a slightly different device that useually consists of a tube and wrist controll (or the movie version just had a button on his chest.) That controlls how much of the Venom is being introduced to him.

Well I used to strong a word when I said that Bane was a "rip off" of the Count of Monte Cristo.But both their origins have a lot in common.Comic book wise anyway.

They were both sent to an island prision for crimes they didnt commit.both sunk into a deep depresion while there.

Both mete a fellow prisioner that became a mentor to them in the subject of subjects including languages, history, economics, philosophy, and mathematics amongts others.

And both would later reinvent themself's ,wearing disguise's in a plot for revenge.

Allso I think the term "Venom" came from the movie, I don't remember his chemical ever being given a name before that but it's been a while sence I seen anything feturing him.

No the term "Venom" came from the comics.

FYI Batman himself was one of the first test subjects for the druge.Long before Bane was introduced.

[Saber Prime]

OK You completly lost me, how is Bane in any way related to The Count of Monte Cristo? (Well I guess this might depend on what version of Bane we're talking about. Cartoon and Movie can't be it. Well maybe TheBatman because I haven't actully seen any episodes with Bane yet. I seen one with Joker useing Bane's powers but that's it.)

Cyrus "(The) Colossus" Rhodes has a different set up than Bane but the basics are the same. He has some device attached to his body that pumps in Steroids or "Venom" into the character's body makeing him larger and stronger. (Or some times just Stronger in Banes case, again it depends on what version of Bane we're talking about.)

The one that really stands on in my head right now is the movie version of Bane. He didn't talk like the cartoon version and was little more than a henchman in the movie and that's basically was Cyrus was except for the whole not talking much thing. Movie Bane allso started out as a little shrimp before the Venom was pumped in just like Cyrus.

With both you defeat them by takeing out the device that pumps in the chemical that makes them super strong.

With Cyrus he has two things on his back that I think look like trash cans that pump in "Advance Steroids" and Bane, well each version of him allso has a slightly different device that useually consists of a tube and wrist controll (or the movie version just had a button on his chest.) That controlls how much of the Venom is being introduced to him.

Well I used to strong a word when I said that Bane was a "rip off" of the Count of Monte Cristo.But both their origins have a lot in common.Comic book wise anyway.

They were both sent to an island prision for crimes they didnt commit.both sunk into a deep depresion while there.

Both mete a fellow prisioner that became a mentor to them in the subject of subjects including languages, history, economics, philosophy, and mathematics amongts others.

And both would later reinvent themself's ,wearing disguise's in a plot for revenge.

Allso I think the term "Venom" came from the movie, I don't remember his chemical ever being given a name before that but it's been a while sence I seen anything feturing him.

No the term "Venom" came from the comics.

FYI Batman himself was one of the first test subjects for the druge.Long before Bane was introduced.

Ah, I kinda figured that came from the coimics. I don't think the cartoon or movie ever went that far into his backstory. Now I starting to think Bane is a much more interesting character than just some guy who takes drugs.

(Pluse Sweeney Todd is allso verry simular in his backstory. I still haven't seen the movie yet because my movie theater won't show it but I worked back stage for the play version at my live theater.)

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

OK You completly lost me, how is Bane in any way related to The Count of Monte Cristo? (Well I guess this might depend on what version of Bane we're talking about. Cartoon and Movie can't be it. Well maybe TheBatman because I haven't actully seen any episodes with Bane yet. I seen one with Joker useing Bane's powers but that's it.)

Cyrus "(The) Colossus" Rhodes has a different set up than Bane but the basics are the same. He has some device attached to his body that pumps in Steroids or "Venom" into the character's body makeing him larger and stronger. (Or some times just Stronger in Banes case, again it depends on what version of Bane we're talking about.)

The one that really stands on in my head right now is the movie version of Bane. He didn't talk like the cartoon version and was little more than a henchman in the movie and that's basically was Cyrus was except for the whole not talking much thing. Movie Bane allso started out as a little shrimp before the Venom was pumped in just like Cyrus.

With both you defeat them by takeing out the device that pumps in the chemical that makes them super strong.

With Cyrus he has two things on his back that I think look like trash cans that pump in "Advance Steroids" and Bane, well each version of him allso has a slightly different device that useually consists of a tube and wrist controll (or the movie version just had a button on his chest.) That controlls how much of the Venom is being introduced to him.

Well I used to strong a word when I said that Bane was a "rip off" of the Count of Monte Cristo.But both their origins have a lot in common.Comic book wise anyway.

They were both sent to an island prision for crimes they didnt commit.both sunk into a deep depresion while there.

Both mete a fellow prisioner that became a mentor to them in the subject of subjects including languages, history, economics, philosophy, and mathematics amongts others.

And both would later reinvent themself's ,wearing disguise's in a plot for revenge.

Allso I think the term "Venom" came from the movie, I don't remember his chemical ever being given a name before that but it's been a while sence I seen anything feturing him.

No the term "Venom" came from the comics.

FYI Batman himself was one of the first test subjects for the druge.Long before Bane was introduced.

Ah, I kinda figured that came from the coimics. I don't think the cartoon or movie ever went that far into his backstory. Now I starting to think Bane is a much more interesting character than just some guy who takes drugs.

(Pluse Sweeney Todd is allso verry simular in his backstory. I still haven't seen the movie yet because my movie theater won't show it but I worked back stage for the play version at my live theater.)

I wanted to see that movie baddly but I didnt have the time or money.

I went to a play onec but it was before I matured enough to appereciate it.

Tell me about it some day.

[Saber Prime]

I wanted to see that movie baddly but I didnt have the time or money.

I went to a play onec but it was before I matured enough to appereciate it.

Tell me about it some day.

I don't know how much you remember from seeing it when you were younger but maybe you should just grab the DvD when it comes out. I really don't want to say too much about it because Sweeney Todd is really a hard play to talk about without giveing away spoilers.

What I can tell you is that Tom Mezmer who played Sweeney in our version didn't have the what I like to call "Bride of Franestine" hair that Johnny Depp has.

I allso know from watching the previews that the lyrics in at least one of the songs is slightly different than what was in the play.

The movie made Toby alot younger than in our version.

And something I think the movie does better than the play, from what I saw of the preview it looks like they're actully going to SHOW his backstory. The play only talked about it and actully started after he had allready broken out of prison.

What other changes the movie has in store I have no idea yet. Most of what I'm seeing I like. It's mainly just Johnny Depp's hair due that's turning me off.

Here's a side by side comparison of Tom Mezmer and Johnny Depp.



I allso have a few funny storys about what was happening back stage that no one ever saw but I'll tell you about that later.

Anyway... When do we get to see Blackarchnia? Some how I'm exspecting her and Prowl to get togeather. Something about Prowl's facination with organics and his voice sounding verry simular to Silverbolt's make me think he's going to develop a crush on the spider. Haven't seen enough of her yet to really tell how much like her BW/BM counterpart she's going to be. So far all I know is she's the only one on the show with an Organic form. (Not refering to her alt mode, there seems to be some talk that she's actully part organic where as the Dinobots just have the alt mode but are completly mechanical.)

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

I wanted to see that movie baddly but I didnt have the time or money.

I went to a play onec but it was before I matured enough to appereciate it.

Tell me about it some day.

I don't know how much you remember from seeing it when you were younger but maybe you should just grab the DvD when it comes out. I really don't want to say too much about it because Sweeney Todd is really a hard play to talk about without giveing away spoilers.

What I can tell you is that Tom Mezmer who played Sweeney in our version didn't have the what I like to call "Bride of Franestine" hair that Johnny Depp has.

I allso know from watching the previews that the lyrics in at least one of the songs is slightly different than what was in the play.

The movie made Toby alot younger than in our version.

And something I think the movie does better than the play, from what I saw of the preview it looks like they're actully going to SHOW his backstory. The play only talked about it and actully started after he had allready broken out of prison.

What other changes the movie has in store I have no idea yet. Most of what I'm seeing I like. It's mainly just Johnny Depp's hair due that's turning me off.

Here's a side by side comparison of Tom Mezmer and Johnny Depp.



I allso have a few funny storys about what was happening back stage that no one ever saw but I'll tell you about that later.

Thanks for the info and I'll look foward to hearing the rest.

[Sabrblade]

To get us back on topic...

Anyway... When do we get to see Blackarchnia? Some how I'm exspecting her and Prowl to get togeather. Something about Prowl's facination with organics and his voice sounding verry simular to Silverbolt's make me think he's going to develop a crush on the spider. Haven't seen enough of her yet to really tell how much like her BW/BM counterpart she's going to be. So far all I know is she's the only one on the show with an Organic form. (Not refering to her alt mode, there seems to be some talk that she's actully part organic where as the Dinobots just have the alt mode but are completly mechanical.)

We'll see her this Saturday. I hope she doesn't wind up liking one of the Autobots like the Beast Wars one had done. It worked for that series, but this BA seems more like Strika: a cold-hearted, kick butt, loyal Decepticon. If there is any bot romance in this series, I think it should be between same-side characters, imo.

[Saber Prime]

To get us back on topic...

Anyway... When do we get to see Blackarchnia? Some how I'm exspecting her and Prowl to get togeather. Something about Prowl's facination with organics and his voice sounding verry simular to Silverbolt's make me think he's going to develop a crush on the spider. Haven't seen enough of her yet to really tell how much like her BW/BM counterpart she's going to be. So far all I know is she's the only one on the show with an Organic form. (Not refering to her alt mode, there seems to be some talk that she's actully part organic where as the Dinobots just have the alt mode but are completly mechanical.)

We'll see her this Saturday. I hope she doesn't wind up liking one of the Autobots like the Beast Wars one had done. It worked for that series, but this BA seems more like Strika: a cold-hearted, kick butt, loyal Decepticon. If there is any bot romance in this series, I think it should be between same-side characters, imo.

technically they never really said weather or not Strika and Obsidian were Autobots or Decepticons only that they were originally created to protect Cybertron itself.

I've allways thought judgeing by the Maximals reactions to them that they were Autobots but that's just me.

BW Blackarachnia was originally a Maximal Protoform so I think that helped in turning her back to the right side.

This Blackarachnia however as far as I can tell from what I've seen is just a Decepticon so she probly won't be turned into an Autobot at any time wheater her and Prowl like eachother or not.

There is something I read on Wiki about her being an Autobot and then switching sides after one of her team mates caused whatever happened to give her that organic form. At this point though I have no idea if that's true or just some rumor about her. It allso said she hated her beast mode (which makes her sounds like BM Megatron) but I haven't really seen any hint of that yet even.

Alot of Wiki's info about this series has come up to be correct. The only real mistake I've found is that it listed Sentinel Prime as the Autobot leader not Ultra Magnus but that mistake was fixed.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

technically they never really said weather or not Strika and Obsidian were Autobots or Decepticons only that they were originally created to protect Cybertron itself.

I've allways thought judgeing by the Maximals reactions to them that they were Autobots but that's just me.

You right they never really said what side Strika and Obsidian were on before Beast Machines.

But I never thought that they were ether Autobot or Decepticon.I felt they had to be ether Maximal or Predicon.

The reason I thought this was because as far as I know Megatron did not have the ablity to bring back the sparks of the dead from the Matrix.

But I guess that both Strika and Obsidian could have been G1 War survivers like Raveage.

[Saber Prime]

But I guess that both Strika and Obsidian could have been G1 War survivers like Raveage.

I belive that is exactly what they were.

The only things I really belive to be factionless are drones. Everything else is either the decendents of Millitary Hardware (Decepticons/Predacons) or Consemer Goods (Autobots/Maximals).

Sence Obsidian and Strika were built to Protect and because they were the only Vehicons to willingly follow Megatron without any reprogramming Primal seemed to be rather shocked by that, it makes me think they couldn't have been anything other than Autobots.

Decepticons building "Protectors" doesn't seem like their styal and I don't think Primal would of had the reaction he did to them being on Megatron's side if they were Decepticons allready.

I would direct you to their page on http://www.bwtf.com but the site is currently under construction. Guess they're makeing updates to it.

[Saber Prime]

Earlier I mentioned how I think Energon Prowl would look nicely with the styal of Transformers Animated and here's why. This is the image that really stands out in my mind when I think Energon Prowl.



Doesn't that look like he belongs in the Transformers Animated series? And do you see what I was talking about with his "Rabbit Ears"?

He has destorted body parts but I think he actully has a little more detailing than the other characters on the show.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Sorry I'm breaking up your post but it was needed to make a few different points about my opinion on these characters.

Sence Obsidian and Strika were built to Protect

The fact that their function before coming into service for Megatron was to protect Cybertron makes me think that both characters had to have been created after the "Pack Cybertriona".

The characters shared both Autobot and Decepticon traits.I would say that they would have had to be built after the great war and the Upgrade to Maximals /Predacons and durring the time of peace to have traits of both groups.

and because they were the only Vehicons to willingly follow Megatron without any reprogramming Primal seemed to be rather shocked by that, it makes me think they couldn't have been anything other than Autobots.

You confused me here.It seems your saying that since they were Autobots it was eazy for them to willingly serve Megatron.

I would think that if they were bots then they would never willingly serve Megatron.

Also I have notice that a lot of fans think like you.....that Obsidian and Strika are serving Megatron with out any reprogramming.

I think that there's more then enough evidence to say that they was some reprogramming of their sparks.

They were originaly programed to protect Cybertron.But when Megatron released their sparks their rationale was that protecting Megatron ment protecting Cybertron because "Megatron was now Cybertron".

When Megatron was presumed dead, both Obsidian and Strika seemed lost and devoid of pupous and funtion.And I remember that in the dialog one of them said words to the effect of "with Megatron gone what are we to do" [ this is not a quote ].

I would say that if they were not reprogramed then they would have returned to the frame of mind that it was Cybertron that they should be worried about since even thou Megatron was gone the planet still remained.

But thats just my way of seeing it.

Decepticons building "Protectors" doesn't seem like their styal and I don't think Primal would of had the reaction he did to them being on Megatron's side if they were Decepticons allready.

Thats an other reason I think they were "Hybrid's" of both Maximals and Preadicons.