The Energon Pub

[Autobotic9]

I thought BB was so cute when he would climb on Bulkhead when he was scared, like a little ant. Bulkhead is hell funny.

[Saber Prime]

Sence the question was about Eleta turning evil, I was talking about SHOW appearances not toy lines.

[UltraPrimal]

I think the whole Elita-One turning evil was kind of a nod to the original Blackarachnia. Remember BW BA was originally a Maximal Protoform. And she was constantly reminded about that when Silverbolt was trying to turn her good. I think when she makes another appearance, Optimus will try to do the same.

And I just had a cool little thought cross my mind. We don't know who Blackarachnia was before she was turned into a Predacon by Tarantulas. She could be Elita-One! We got G1 Grimlock and Ravage, and possibly more(Prowl, Silverbolt) in BW. And she was a historian. Maybe that's because she is good old Elita.

[Nekoman]

Finally got around to watching yesterdays episode and it was okay, but just kind of, well, dumb.

The story is just not interesting, there’s too many super villains, nothing is very detailed, the animation is so bad its sickening, the characters are dumb and not very likeable, resulting in a bad show overall.

So far, I’m still not liking it.

[Saber Prime]

I think the whole Elita-One turning evil was kind of a nod to the original Blackarachnia. Remember BW BA was originally a Maximal Protoform. And she was constantly reminded about that when Silverbolt was trying to turn her good. I think when she makes another appearance, Optimus will try to do the same.

And I just had a cool little thought cross my mind. We don't know who Blackarachnia was before she was turned into a Predacon by Tarantulas. She could be Elita-One! We got G1 Grimlock and Ravage, and possibly more(Prowl, Silverbolt) in BW. And she was a historian. Maybe that's because she is good old Elita.

Blackarachnia was just activated on Earth. Her knowedge of history was probly learned from the data on their ship's computers or from Tarantulas.

There's not much reason to think she was any more than a blank protoform before becomming Blackarachnia or I'm sure they would have called her by her original name not just "Maximal Protoform"

Silverbolt wasn't her only reminder of that either, she reminded the other Predacons of that on several occasions many of thoughs times being when she was able to do things that only Maximals were capable of.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Blackarachnia was just activated on Earth. Her knowedge of history was probly learned from the data on their ship's computers or from Tarantulas.

There's not much reason to think she was any more than a blank protoform before becomming Blackarachnia or I'm sure they would have called her by her original name not just "Maximal Protoform"

I would disagree with you.Let me state for the record that this is completely my opinion and not fact.

My opinion is open to debate but it cant really be proven fact so I'm not trying to.

I think that the idea that the Axalon was carring blank protoforms to be illogical.

1] most really aren't completely blank because they already have sparks.

2] What would be the sense of carring along "babbies" on a exploration mission????

Seems to me that if they were with out personalities and lives before.....then the new protoforms would be force into a way of life with out a choice.

Even if there was no Beast Wars then they would have all been expected to be crew members under Primal with out being asked.

And the Maximals as a whole dont seem to be that type of people.As a matter of fact when Tigatron questioned the Maximals method's on earth he was allowed to leave the core group for the most part.

I think its more likely that BW's Blackarachnia [ and the other protoforms ] had lives on Cybertron. She and all the TF's in the Beast Wars that came from the protoform pods seem to be more mature than Cheetor.

The pods seemed to be very delicate and I would say that as a result of the battle between the Maximal's and Predacon 's ship's combined with the temperature changes while descending threw earths atmosphere and then planetary impact cause their memory's to be wiped.

Rampage did in fact have a life before on Cybertron and remembered it......but he was a mutated spark so it could explain why he remembers.

Anyway thats my way of thinking.

[Saber Prime]

Rampage was the only Protoform to be confirmed had a life on Cybertron before the Beast Wars but he was called Protoform-X where as the others were just nameless Protoforms.

Even if they had no memory of who they were before the Beast Wars the other core Maximals (Primal, Rat, Rhinox, and Cheetor) should still know who they were and call them by name not just "Maximal Protoform"

Pluse I allways thought "blank" ment "without form" not "Without spark" why would they have Sparkless Protoforms? From what I could see of the Protoforms inside the tubes they looked like generic humanoid shapes with no real physical characteristics to tell one apart from another. If they had in fact been someone on Cybertron they would of had more detail than to be shapeless blobs.

Many of the Protoforms took on the personality of the animal they scaned so it's likely that their maturity level could have been tied to that. Or maybe not but I can't really exsplain that any other way.

Last piece of thought, why be turned into a Protoform? If you allready have a form why would you want to be turned into a shapeless blob that can't be reactivated till it scans an alt mode? There's no reason for anyone to become a Proform that's just how they start out.

[Dead Metal]

But remember the eppys in which Inferno and Transmuty were activated!
The Maximals clearly asked themselves WHO Inferno used to be, also Rinox said to Primal that he can no longer say who Transmutae used to be, because Transmuty's memory was erased and beyond repair.

This also aplies to Tigatron, the crash just erased there memory.

And the thing with Protoforms is, I think, they don't use up to much energon.
Here this shows that in BW Protoforms were indeed thinking personalty having TFs!
http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Protoform

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

I've had this theory for a while and already have some answers to some of your [and those of others] questions.

Even if they had no memory of who they were before the Beast Wars the other core Maximals (Primal, Rat, Rhinox, and Cheetor) should still know who they were and call them by name not just "Maximal Protoform"

It might not be possible to recognize them after they've been reduced to the protoform state.

why would they have Sparkless Protoforms?

I can think of one reason.....replacement bodies.

If they had in fact been someone on Cybertron they would of had more detail than to be shapeless blobs.

You would hope.......but we saw other characters in both Beast shows that were people on Cybertron that didnt have a lot of detail.

The 3 Predicon council members and Nightscreams pre-BM's body didnt have a lot of detail to them....but it was more detail then the protoforms had.

But it is my theory that they are reduced to the protoform state.

Many of the Protoforms took on the personality of the animal they scaned so it's likely that their maturity level could have been tied to that. Or maybe not but I can't really exsplain that any other way.

I would say that's possible if characters like Cheator did not seem to mature trew out the episodes.

Last piece of thought, why be turned into a Protoform? If you allready have a form why would you want to be turned into a shapeless blob that can't be reactivated till it scans an alt mode? There's no reason for anyone to become a Proform that's just how they start out.

There's a very good reason.Energy and resource conservation.As big as the Maximal ship was I doubt it was big enough to house a large crew.

Having a good portion of the crew in stasis till their needed or untill its deemed save to awaken them is also an other good reason for TF's to be turned into a Protoform for Space missions.

[Saber Prime]

Did you forget Maximals and Predacons are designed to use less Energon than what the Autobots and Decepticons needed?

They wouldn't need to be Protoforms to consume less energy and they could be put into Stasis Lock without being made Protoforms.

As for the Maximals not recognizing them, what about their Stasis Pods? You really exspect me to belive both the Maximal and the pod didn't know who it was?

Allso it's verry unlikely that all the pods would be in the same condition. Some Maximal Protoforms became more beast like than others while others allready at least knew they were Transformers. It's likely the Stasis Pods themselfs would have data on the Transformer inside it and for every pod to loose that data makeing all the Protoforms into John and Jane Does isn't verry likely.

Blackarachnia was definatly one that could of had memory of Cybertron as she had knowlege of Cybertron's history that no one else seemed to have. (Such as knowing who Starscream was) so they should have at least known who she was if she was anyone.

Inferno is probly the worst case sinero in that him and his pod were damaged to the point where he literally thought he was an ant and some how his robotic brain reprocced everything from Transformer terms to ant talk. My Leader = My Queen, Predacons = The Colony, ect. I could definatly belive his information was completly lost.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Did you forget Maximals and Predacons are designed to use less Energon than what the Autobots and Decepticons needed?

I took that into consideration in my theroy as well.But to me it seemed that "Energon" was still a rare commodity on Cybertron just before the Beast Wars.

Or at least it was hard to get your hands on some....other wise Megatron would not have had to go to the trouble of stealing the golden disc to find the location of a energon source to begin his war.

And I know that was only part of his plan but if there was more then enough energon on Cybertron then he wouldnt have been able to lure followers to his cause with the promis of enough energon to win a war.

And the ability to store and carry enough energon on a long trip might not be to simple so the need to conserve it on exploration missions could still be a factor in the need to make no-essential personal protoforms.

They wouldn't need to be Protoforms to consume less energy and they could be put into Stasis Lock without being made Protoforms.

I would think that prolonged Stasis Lock might be detrament to their lives and more energey consuming then the protoform pods.

As for the Maximals not recognizing them, what about their Stasis Pods? You really exspect me to belive both the Maximal and the pod didn't know who it was?

Your question here was confuseing.I would think that the pods them self dont retain info on their personalties because it maintains the higher brain functions of the TF's inside.So there would be no need for the pod to have the info also the pods seem to damage quite eazy....but again like I said its my opinion.

Allso it's verry unlikely that all the pods would be in the same condition.

Thats an other opinion.And I would agree if they all had been shown to be activated in different ways.

But all the pods suffered from the same type of planetary entry.

Now if one of the pods had been activated with out falling to earth and still had no memerory of a life on Cybertron them my theroy would not have a leg to stand on.

I dont remember such a thing happening if it did please let me know.

Some Maximal Protoforms became more beast like than others while others allready at least knew they were Transformers. It's likely the Stasis Pods themselfs would have data on the Transformer inside it and for every pod to loose that data makeing all the Protoforms into John and Jane Does isn't verry likely.

I would think that the only data the pods would have would be the most basic of data not a complete personalty profile.

Blackarachnia was definatly one that could of had memory of Cybertron as she had knowlege of Cybertron's history that no one else seemed to have. (Such as knowing who Starscream was) so they should have at least known who she was if she was anyone.

She should know who she was but unless she was one of only a few female protoforms there's no real way of the other Maximal would know who she is.

[Saber Prime]

As for the Maximals not recognizing them, what about their Stasis Pods? You really exspect me to belive both the Maximal and the pod didn't know who it was?

Your question here was confuseing.

I was trying to say that the Stasis Pod itself would have "Backup files" on the Transformer inside it. Sort of like a medical chart on the end of a person's bed only the "Medical chart" would be computer files and the "bed" is the stasis pod.

The Stasis Pod wouldn't have the Transformers personality traits or anything like that stored on it but it would have some basic information on the Transformer inside such as their "medical history" and name.

Allso it's verry unlikely that all the pods would be in the same condition.

Thats an other opinion.And I would agree if they all had been shown to be activated in different ways.

But all the pods suffered from the same type of planetary entry.

Now if one of the pods had been activated with out falling to earth and still had no memerory of a life on Cybertron them my theroy would not have a leg to stand on.

I dont remember such a thing happening if it did please let me know.

All the pods were damaged in different ways. Only two had damage done to their scanners causeing them to scan multiple beast modes at the same time. Airrazor's pod had damage to her life suport systems. She allmost died. Transmutate's scanner was allso damaged and she never scaned an alt mode.

They weren't just damaged from entering the apnessphear, they were damaged by the crash onto the planet. Actully as far as I could tell non of the pods looked burned to me sugesting that the entry didn't damage them at all.

Some Maximal Protoforms became more beast like than others while others allready at least knew they were Transformers. It's likely the Stasis Pods themselfs would have data on the Transformer inside it and for every pod to loose that data makeing all the Protoforms into John and Jane Does isn't verry likely.

I would think that the only data the pods would have would be the most basic of data not a complete personalty profile.

As I said abouve, that's what I ment. No personality profile but the pod would at the verry least have that Transformer's name on record so even if the Transformer didn't know who they were Rhinox could just look up their name on the files in the pod to see who they were.

Blackarachnia was definatly one that could of had memory of Cybertron as she had knowlege of Cybertron's history that no one else seemed to have. (Such as knowing who Starscream was) so they should have at least known who she was if she was anyone.

She should know who she was but unless she was one of only a few female protoforms there's no real way of the other Maximal would know who she is.

Now you got me confused, I'm not understanding what you just said here.

[Briggs]

So.. seems none of the episodes are available on youtube anymore.. no more fansoftransformers user????

[Omega Charge]

So.. seems none of the episodes are available on youtube anymore.. no more fansoftransformers user????

his account is suspended!
There's always ThotThor, he's just a few days late is all.

[Saber Prime]

So.. seems none of the episodes are available on youtube anymore.. no more fansoftransformers user????

his account is suspended!
There's always ThotThor, he's just a few days late is all.

I went to YouTube and it's true. How am I supose to watch TF:H now?

I wander if Cartoon Network has started showing the episodes on their own site?

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

I was trying to say that the Stasis Pod itself would have "Backup files" on the Transformer inside it. Sort of like a medical chart on the end of a person's bed only the "Medical chart" would be computer files and the "bed" is the stasis pod.
The Stasis Pod wouldn't have the Transformers personality traits or anything like that stored on it but it would have some basic information on the Transformer inside such as their "medical history" and name.

Ok now I understand.And it makes sence but like I said the files could have been wiped.I would think that the method of saving files for TF's and the pods would be simular so its not a strech to think that if the TF's files were wiped by something [god knows what] that the pods files would be wiped in the same fasion.

All the pods were damaged in different ways. Only two had damage done to their scanners causeing them to scan multiple beast modes at the same time. Airrazor's pod had damage to her life suport systems. She allmost died. Transmutate's scanner was allso damaged and she never scaned an alt mode.

They weren't just damaged from entering the apnessphear, they were damaged by the crash onto the planet. Actully as far as I could tell non of the pods looked burned to me sugesting that the entry didn't damage them at all.

Again that all your opinion.And as various as the damage we did in fact see in some cases was there are still any number of things that all the pods could have been exposed to while falling to earth that wouldnt leave a physical mark on the pods but could have wiped out secondary functions like back up files.

Now you got me confused, I'm not understanding what you just said here.

I ment that its posible that BA knew who she was on Cybertron before the Beast Wars [if she was anyone] but there's no reason to believe that the other Maximals would have been able to figure it out.

[Omega Charge]

So.. seems none of the episodes are available on youtube anymore.. no more fansoftransformers user????

his account is suspended!
There's always ThotThor, he's just a few days late is all.

I went to YouTube and it's true. How am I supose to watch TF:H now?

I wander if Cartoon Network has started showing the episodes on their own site?

so far only Transform and Roll out on Toonami Jetstream.

[Pyrostrata]

So.. seems none of the episodes are available on youtube anymore.. no more fansoftransformers user????

It's the only way some of us can see TF:A! I am now officially sad.

[Nekoman]

So.. seems none of the episodes are available on youtube anymore.. no more fansoftransformers user????

It's the only way some of us can see TF:A! I am now officially sad.

Hey, don’t worry too much, I’m sure someone else will post them and I’ll come here and tell ya’ll about how bad the latest episodes are, so you wont miss much.

[Omega Charge]

Like I said, ThotThor on youtube posts them, just a couple of days late.

[Mechabreaker]

Like I said, ThotThor on youtube posts them, just a couple of days late.

I just watched "Along Came a Spider" from ThotThor. I really enjoy the cartoon, and I would watch it when it is normally on, except I work early in the morning on Saturdays and Sundays so I rely on Youtube, but FanOfTransformers will be missed, DAMN YOU YOUTUBE!

But on to the episode, I really like the interesting new reinvention of Blackarachnia's character, I thought the twist of Blackarachnia turning out to be the jilted Elita-One with a personal vendetta against Prime for leaving her behind on that planet was a great story dynamic, and I can't wait for "Sound and Fury" I can only hope that Soundwave will finally get his dues.

[Nekoman]

Like I said, ThotThor on youtube posts them, just a couple of days late.

Oh, I see, its just that you guys have to wait a bit longer, well that should give you something to look forward to at least. Regardless I’ll be posting my opinion here on Saturday or Sunday when it airs so if you want for those of you who have to wait you can read my thoughts on the episode even if through negative eyes.

[Saber Prime]

Now you got me confused, I'm not understanding what you just said here.

I ment that its posible that BA knew who she was on Cybertron before the Beast Wars [if she was anyone] but there's no reason to believe that the other Maximals would have been able to figure it out.

Well if Blackarachnia was originally a historian on Cybertron and that's why she knew so much about the Autobots and Decepticons that the others didn't I would think that would be a dead givaway as to who she was.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Now you got me confused, I'm not understanding what you just said here.

I ment that its posible that BA knew who she was on Cybertron before the Beast Wars [if she was anyone] but there's no reason to believe that the other Maximals would have been able to figure it out.

Well if Blackarachnia was originally a historian on Cybertron and that's why she knew so much about the Autobots and Decepticons that the others didn't I would think that would be a dead givaway as to who she was.

Granted if that was the case it would be eazy to figure out.But lets say she wasnt a historian at all.....she could have just been a neardy person with history as a hobby.

And theres no reason to believe that anyone would have known about any hobbies that the others had [if any at all] I have a friend that I've known for some time and I just found out that he's a hudge history buff.

Anyway like I said this is just my theory that [ at least for me ] answers some of the questions that I've had about characters in the Beast Wars.

[munkimus prime]

I enjoyed along came a spider it was a good episode, I look forward to the next episode with Soundwave. Also I wonder when Oilslick will make an appearence.