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[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Has anyone else cought all the Star Trek refrences on this show?

Optimus Prime said "Make it so" in Human Error part 1.

And I've only just realized, Ratchet's voice sounds alot like Dr. "Bones" McCoy. I'm half exspecting him to say something to the effect of "Damn it Prime, I'm a repair bot, not a..." in a future episode.

I'm shocked you diodnt mention the fact that the Ninja Master [Youkio or what ever] was voiced by Sulu.

[Tekka]

Not really, the idea is nonsense in a real sense. The biggest flaw in that kind of virtual world concept is the server not being able to deny actions that defy pre established rules. I mean even basic MMORPGs plug security holes like that.

Or Soundwave really sucks at programming.

Any computer program can be hacked and reprogramed and it would be amazingly simple if you are a machine and you're allready in the system to reprogram said system.

What I don't understand is how the virtural world is supose to be makeing them Decepticons.

That simply isn't true, darn it. Just because you can pass information to a system doesn't mean you can infiltrate and make it do anything you want, this is what security is for. And you don't just give clients that kind of power, especially if they're meant to be restricted.

It's like building a prison then filling it with criminals and issuing each of them a set of keys to every door in the building.

[Saber Prime]

Has anyone else cought all the Star Trek refrences on this show?

Optimus Prime said "Make it so" in Human Error part 1.

And I've only just realized, Ratchet's voice sounds alot like Dr. "Bones" McCoy. I'm half exspecting him to say something to the effect of "Damn it Prime, I'm a repair bot, not a..." in a future episode.

I'm shocked you diodnt mention the fact that the Ninja Master [Youkio or what ever] was voiced by Sulu.

I didn't mention it because everyone allready knew about it. Someone allready mentioned it a few pages earlier around the time the episode leaked on YouTube.

[Oilspill]

There's something familiar about the scooter. Is that a Gobots reference perchance?

And the Decepticon invasion was cool, even if it didn't last long, and it was nice seeing the shark faces on the missiles like Starscream's toy.

It'll be interesting to see if Soundwave's master plan makes much sense come part 2. Nice to see his control panel was another nod to G1 Soundwave. I found his voice easier to understand this time too.

And yeah, Matrix references were everywhere, with Prowl entering Starscream (hard to write that in a way that doesn't sound dodgy) and the scene with Sari going down the elevator was familiar too, I'm pretty sure that was in the Matrix. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Was that a giant Electostatic Soundwave we saw at the end?

[Saber Prime]

Not really, the idea is nonsense in a real sense. The biggest flaw in that kind of virtual world concept is the server not being able to deny actions that defy pre established rules. I mean even basic MMORPGs plug security holes like that.

Or Soundwave really sucks at programming.

Any computer program can be hacked and reprogramed and it would be amazingly simple if you are a machine and you're allready in the system to reprogram said system.

What I don't understand is how the virtural world is supose to be makeing them Decepticons.

That simply isn't true, darn it. Just because you can pass information to a system doesn't mean you can infiltrate and make it do anything you want, this is what security is for. And you don't just give clients that kind of power, especially if they're meant to be restricted.

It's like building a prison then filling it with criminals and issuing each of them a set of keys to every door in the building.

No actully that's EXACTLY what it means. Think about it this way, there are 10 individual numbers (1234567890) and 26 letters in the alphabit. Add that to the fact that some passwords are cap sensitive then it's more like 52 letters. The human mind isn't capable of hacking passwords because it would take us days, weeks, months, or years to syphon through all the possible combinations of letters and numbers. An advanced computer mind however could easily syphon through all the combinations in a matter of seconds, minuts, or hours. This is why passwords that include both letters and numbers are more secure than a password that is only letters or only numbers.

Sence the Autobots are machines pluged into a machine the entire time they were in there they were hacking Soundwave's password so to speak.

In real life, human hackers have computer programs that can do exactly what I'm talking about, hack your system and get your passwords. There's a recent virus out right now that doesn't even need to sort through all the possible combinations because it can read your key strokes. There's allso ways for people to guess your passwords. For instance it's a know fact that most people use birthdays or the names of their loved ones as their passwords.

It's difficult but not impossible to hack ANY system no matter how strong the security is. To be honest it seems the strongest security is haveing the ability to hack back.

There's a movie about hackers, you should check it out.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

I didn't mention it because everyone allready knew about it. Someone allready mentioned it a few pages earlier around the time the episode leaked on YouTube.

I didnt know someone had already mentioned it.I havent been following every post here lately.

[Saber Prime]

I found his voice easier to understand this time too.

I didn't have trouble understanding him at all in Sound and Fury but I did have trouble understanding him in this episode. I actully had to rewatch it to get some of his lines, the first time the only thing I understood was "Soundwave superior, Autobots inferior." of course this could be partially because it was 5 am, I didn't get much sleep, and was half asleep the first time I watch the episode.

I'm allso suprised no one mentioned this yet but why did Soundwave make the Autobots humans in the illusion when they established in Sound and Fury that he hated organics. (even more so than Sentinal Prime.)

[Saber Prime]

I didn't mention it because everyone allready knew about it. Someone allready mentioned it a few pages earlier around the time the episode leaked on YouTube.

I didnt know someone had already mentioned it.I havent been following every post here lately.

To be honest, I can't remember who mentioned it but I actully thought it was you and I'm kinda suprised it wasn't with you being the resident Trekie.

You should have Galvatron and Yoketron in your sig along side Spock and Sulu.

[Tekka]

No actully that's EXACTLY what it means. Think about it this way, there are 10 individual numbers (1234567890) and 26 letters in the alphabit. Add that to the fact that some passwords are cap sensitive then it's more like 52 letters. The human mind isn't capable of hacking passwords because it would take us days, weeks, months, or years to syphon through all the possible combinations of letters and numbers. An advanced computer mind however could easily syphon through all the combinations in a matter of seconds, minuts, or hours. This is why passwords that include both letters and numbers are more secure than a password that is only letters or only numbers.

Sence the Autobots are machines pluged into a machine the entire time they were in there they were hacking Soundwave's password so to speak.

In real life, human hackers have computer programs that can do exactly what I'm talking about, hack your system and get your passwords. There's a recent virus out right now that doesn't even need to sort through all the possible combinations because it can read your key strokes. There's allso ways for people to guess your passwords. For instance it's a know fact that most people use birthdays or the names of their loved ones as their passwords.

It's difficult but not impossible to hack ANY system no matter how strong the security is. To be honest it seems the strongest security is haveing the ability to hack back.

There's a movie about hackers, you should check it out.

Oh gawd. You're seriously going to feign being knowledgeable about this?

Okay, so what if the machine doesn't accept remote passwords?

What if it's not even possible to remotely administer the machine?

What if the only functionality available to a client is a basic interface with no access to system functions, how are you going "hack" through it without exploiting a bug of some kind?

It doesn't work like it does in the movies, please realize this.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

To be honest, I can't remember who mentioned it but I actully thought it was you and I'm kinda suprised it wasn't with you being the resident Trekie.

I've been so sick as of late that I may have mentioned it and dont remember.

You should have Galvatron and Yoketron in your sig along side Spock and Sulu.

Thats a kool idea.

[Newtilator]

I think soundwaves plan may have been to make the Autobots hate organcs, by being in their bodies, and seeing how they react to those who are different to them when they aren't towering over them. Thus, organic hating Autobots become decepticons. But, Autobots end up loving humans even more.
Or its just to kepp their mind occupied whilst he hacks their brains.
BLITZWIIING!!!

[Rodimus2006]

This whole episode is a homage to Generation 1's episode I think of season 2's "Attack of The Autobots"

Megatron used a Invincibility spray on him and Starscream they then used a Personality Modulator and input the device into thier Status Chambers while they go off line (Sleep).

This turns the Autobots except Jazz & BB to Evil so that Megatron could still Dr. Hardings new Energy Satellite during its launch.


Human Error also throws in another episode from Generation 1 season 3 where Cobra Commander from GI Joe made a special appeareance and transported the Autobots Minds into Synthentic Humaniod Bodyies of Rodimus, Arcee and Springer.

So basically they combined 2 episodes from Generation 1 and added a new twist to it with the Virtual Reality thing.


I knew something was up when I saw Starcream had his whole body back and also working with Megatron also threw it complety off.

Then they completly went nuts and Showed Team Char with Shockwave on Earth.

Finally the Kicker friggin Cybertron blowing the crap out of Detroit can anyone say "Megatron's Master Plan".

I think all these tidbits are giving us clues as to what to expect in "Endgame"

Megatron gaining control of Cybertron somehow heads to Earth with all the Decepticons reunited leading to an ultimate final confrontantion on Earth.


Also Sari will play a huge role in this and we all know that Prowl will meet his unfortunate end also most likely saving Prime or Sari in someway.

[Random]

Ok. They seem to be using premises from old movies. "Where is Thy Sting" had "The Fly" influence, and now "Human Error" smacks of the "Matrix".

I half expected Starscream and Megs to have shades....

Ok episode.

[Shadowman]

Ok. They seem to be using premises from old movies. "Where is Thy Sting" had "The Fly" influence, and now "Human Error" smacks of the "Matrix".

"Where is Thy Sting" was more like "Face/Off." Predacons Rising is the one you're thinking of.

[Name_Violation]

Ok. They seem to be using premises from old movies. "Where is Thy Sting" had "The Fly" influence, and now "Human Error" smacks of the "Matrix".

"Where is Thy Sting" was more like "Face/Off." Predacons Rising is the one you're thinking of.

Who needs originallity?

[Sabrblade]

This whole episode is a homage to Generation 1's episode I think of season 2's "Attack of The Autobots"

Not the whole episode, just the last few seconds at the end. The whole episode would be based off "Only Human" (as you also mannetioned).

Finally the Kicker friggin Cybertron blowing the crap out of Detroit can anyone say "Megatron's Master Plan".

More like "The Ultimate Doom" mixed in with the movie "Independence Day" (the scene where Cybertron blew up Sumdac Tower is like the scene in that movie when the UFO blew up the White House).

Also, Cybertron was brought to the Earth in "The Rebirth, Part 3" as well, only not as close as it was in "The Ultimate Doom". Cybertron never came to Earth in "Megatron's Master Plan". Instead, Megatron had the humans sue the Autobots.

Plus, did you see Cancer sitting with Marty Isenberg and Hydra at the Burger Bot restaurant?

[Jazz Reborn]

Wow, Sari sure grew over the period of a few episodes, and I'm not taking about height . But seriously she sure did get taller.

Soundwave is back! Hell yes. Also, does anyone think that Human Error is kinda like that G1 Season 3 episode where Daniel is dreaming and a bunch of autobots are fighting decepticons in a freaky world?

[Sabrblade]

Wow, Sari sure grew over the period of a few episodes, and I'm not taking about height . But seriously she sure did get taller.

Didn't you see "TransWarped"?

Also, does anyone think that Human Error is kinda like that G1 Season 3 episode where Daniel is dreaming and a bunch of autobots are fighting decepticons in a freaky world?

More like "Only Human" rather than "Nightmare Planet".

[Saber Prime]

No actully that's EXACTLY what it means. Think about it this way, there are 10 individual numbers (1234567890) and 26 letters in the alphabit. Add that to the fact that some passwords are cap sensitive then it's more like 52 letters. The human mind isn't capable of hacking passwords because it would take us days, weeks, months, or years to syphon through all the possible combinations of letters and numbers. An advanced computer mind however could easily syphon through all the combinations in a matter of seconds, minuts, or hours. This is why passwords that include both letters and numbers are more secure than a password that is only letters or only numbers.

Sence the Autobots are machines pluged into a machine the entire time they were in there they were hacking Soundwave's password so to speak.

In real life, human hackers have computer programs that can do exactly what I'm talking about, hack your system and get your passwords. There's a recent virus out right now that doesn't even need to sort through all the possible combinations because it can read your key strokes. There's allso ways for people to guess your passwords. For instance it's a know fact that most people use birthdays or the names of their loved ones as their passwords.

It's difficult but not impossible to hack ANY system no matter how strong the security is. To be honest it seems the strongest security is haveing the ability to hack back.

There's a movie about hackers, you should check it out.

Oh gawd. You're seriously going to feign being knowledgeable about this?

Okay, so what if the machine doesn't accept remote passwords?

What if it's not even possible to remotely administer the machine?

What if the only functionality available to a client is a basic interface with no access to system functions, how are you going "hack" through it without exploiting a bug of some kind?

It doesn't work like it does in the movies, please realize this.

Generally that's true, but some of what I said is actully based in real life not just in movies. There are in fact programs made just to hack through peoples systems and get their passwords. That's not fiction made up by movies, that's cold hard facts. Hackers are real, they can break through security, and they can screw up your computer.

Movies make it seem easier than it actully is but everything shown is really possible. (excludeing any movie showing someone hacking the white house or the pentigon and not getting cought.)

And at any rate even if it weren't all possible why would it matter? You really want to try and use real world logic to exsplain how giant robots who don't really exsist can't hack into a simulated program that doesn't really exsist made by another giant robot who doesn't exsist? You're going to argue away one thing by saying "it doesn't work like it does in the movies" while at the same time useing real world logic to exsplain cartoon physics? That really makes alot of sence.

[Tekka]

It doesn't matter.

I started this as an observation about computers and a security in a real sense and not for use in the cartoon.

In case you forgot, you wanted to say how it was all "really possible", you shouldn't try to turn it around on me just to try and save face.

I understand if you don't know get the technical details but that's no excuse not to get an idea of what you're talking about before you start spouting nonsense.

[Name_Violation]

It doesn't matter.

I started this as an observation about computers and a security in a real sense and not for use in the cartoon.

In case you forgot, you wanted to say how it was all "really possible", you shouldn't try to turn it around on me just to try and save face.

I understand if you don't know get the technical details but that's no excuse not to get an idea of what you're talking about before you start spouting nonsense.

Oh crap. Tekka has the claws out. I suggest running. Really really fast.

[Rodimus2006]

Look it was an awesome episode even though the thing was fake based on a VR experiment but he done that to turn the Autobots from good to evil just like in the Generation 1 episode.

For what purpose I guess we will have to wait and see in Human Error prt to this coming Saturday.

Speaking of which they should have the preview avaibable for the episode soon usually we would have up bye now but for some odd reason it isnt.

Just wondering her it is Wednesday still zip but hey maybe sometime this Afternoon or Thursday they will post it up on the webpage or watch it from You Tube.

I look foward to see how Sari tries to save the Autobots maybe Sumdac will make an Addititdude Adjuster like they did in the Generation 1 and Sari will use it in some way to convert the Autobots back to normal.

Remember they are only 5 or 6 episodes before Animated ends on May 23 with "Endgame Prt 2. This will be the season finale but the question still remains unlcear will it be Animated final curtain call.

Also remember Beast Wars Season finale was also Called Endgame

Also in Babylon 5 there was an episode called Endgame but that wasnt the last episode for B5 but it did mark the end of the Earth Cival War with President Clark.

So "End Game has been used in many TV shows heck I think even in Star Trek Voyager had an episode called endgame if I am not mistaken.

[Shadowman]

Also remember Beast Wars Season finale was also Called Endgame

No, it wasn't. The series finale of Beast Wars was "Nemesis." "Endgame" was the series finale to Beast Machines.

[Saber Prime]

It doesn't matter.

Then why did you even bother mentioning it?

I started this as an observation about computers and a security in a real sense and not for use in the cartoon.

If it's not for use in a cartoon then why are you useing it to complain about said cartoon? Sure sounds like you want to use real world physics in a cartoon to me.

In case you forgot, you wanted to say how it was all "really possible", you shouldn't try to turn it around on me just to try and save face.

I never said it was ALL really possible. You said it wasn't possible for the Autobots to hack into Soundwave's virtual world and controll it. I just exsplained how it was theoretically possible with that kind of advance technoligy especially considering it's possible with even real life tech so I don't get why it wouldn't be for more advance tech.

I understand if you don't know get the technical details but that's no excuse not to get an idea of what you're talking about before you start spouting nonsense.

I never claimed to be an exspert or that I myself could hack anything. All I said was it is actully possible to hack another computer system and that much is 100% true. What the hell do you think computer viruses are for, just crashing your hard drive and slowing down your computer? Nope, that's just the after effects. Computer viruses are made to read your files and send your information to their creators. I allso have reason to belive that some viruses and anti-viruses are made by the same people just to get you to pay to remove the virus they gave you in the first place.

At any rate I don't know what it's called, but the most recent virus I've heard about won't effect your computer's performance at all but will only log your key strokes and learn all your passwords. That's not fiction, it's fact.

[Tekka]

Okay, you win.