The Energon Pub

[Rial Vestro]

Starscream's line about hitch-hikers had me dying. Good ep.

I'm suprised no one has brought this up but I think that finnal scene and the Hitchhiker's refrence was ment to be a nod to "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" especially considering how inprobable it is that Lugnut just happen to be found by Megatron in such a short amout of time.

Transformers Animated has just as many real world refrences as it does to past TF series.

And I still think Animated Cosmos transforms into a starfleet ship of some kind. BTW after rewatching the end of the scene I noticed he is actully waveing thoughs nacell looking things along with everyone else waveing their arms so appearently thoughs aren't back kibble like I originally thought. They are the skinnyist little arms with the oddest looking "hands" I've ever seen on a Transformer.

[munkimus prime]

This episode was great, there were so many nods to G1 that I can't count them all. Swindle was great as always. Blitzwing's back yay

[mitchsantona]

Did anyone catch all the Movie References there was? I think that was kind of the underlying theme of this one as well. The ones I noticed were:

Con-Air (Decepticon Air)

Superman 2 - When the Autobots were safe inside the chamber that was supposed to freeze them.

Die Hard - When Prime was in the Ducts he quoted Bruce Willis almost word-for-word

HitchHikers Guide to the Galaxy - Starscreams last comment about Lugnut

Mission Impossible - When Optimus opened the grate to rescue the Elite Guard and then briefly fell suspended above the floor like Tom Cruise

If anyone found any other ones please add them..
I'm sure the parade scene has been done before too.

[Grimlock_4/20]

I enjoy this new generation of Transformers, but I think it will go away fast. Cartoon network has a bad habit of getting you hooked on a cartoon then droping it."The Batman" for example only lasted what? two years?

But I hope that TF:animated lasts longer. I find it a little lacking in story, but fun just the same.

[Moonbase2]

Finally about to watch this one. I've come to really love this show.

[Oilspill]

Great episode, nice to see some of the Cons get away.

Don't know if Derrick Wyatt has officially confirmed the cameos, but Cosmos and Autorooper were who I thought they were too, though Cosmos I had to pause and stare at for a while to be sure. Nice to see Tracks (and Beachcomber too), wasn't expecting that.

Now, after watching that scene, I want to read the fanfic that explains how Warpath lost his arms.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Finally about to watch this one. I've come to really love this show.

I havent seen you in a long time girl

[Marcdachamp]

Mission Impossible - When Optimus opened the grate to rescue the Elite Guard and then briefly fell suspended above the floor like Tom Cruise

I got more of a Boondock Saints feel from that one, honestly.

[Sabrblade]

Mission Impossible - When Optimus opened the grate to rescue the Elite Guard and then briefly fell suspended above the floor like Tom Cruise

I got more of a Boondock Saints feel from that one, honestly.

When he crawled through the air duct, that was like Die Hard. Falling out held up via cables was like Mission Impossible.

[Rial Vestro]

Does anyone besides me wander why "Magnus" is being used as a Rank rather than "Ultra". I know so far the ranks on the show have been Minor, Prime, and Magnus all following the actual name of said Transformer but if you follow that logic than the character in Animated was originally just called "Ultra" before he became a Magnus and that's the lamest Transformers name I've ever heard. Even worse than Leader-1 (originally a Go-Bot name but was still used for Transformers as well.)

G1 Ultra Magnus was credited as just being called "Magnus" without his armor so if you translate that into the Animated continuity I would of made Ultra his title and base it on the original character rather than basing the rank on being the suffix in their name.

Anyway what do you all think sounds better. A character named "Ultra" with the rank of "Magnus" or a character named "Magnus" with the rank of "Ultra" and either way he'd still be called "Ultra Magnus" just what do you think sounds better as a name and as a rank.

Allso wrap this thought around your mind but not too hard...

Sentinal Magnus

Now try this one on for size...

Ultra Sentinal

Even with Sentinal's name Ultra sounds better as the title. The first one sounds like he and Ultra Magnus became combiners and that's their combined name.

[Shadowman]

"Ultra" before he became a Magnus and that's the lamest Transformers name I've ever heard. Even worse than Leader-1 (originally a Go-Bot name but was still used for Transformers as well.)

Erector

Allso wrap this thought around your mind but not too hard...

Sentinal Magnus

Now try this one on for size...

Ultra Sentinal

Even with Sentinal's name Ultra sounds better as the title. The first one sounds like he and Ultra Magnus became combiners and that's their combined name.

Actually Sentinel Magnus sounds better. Ultra Sentinel sounds like he got a lame upgrade.

By the way, in terms of Animated, the rank comes AFTER the name. So if his name were Magnus, he'd first be Magnus Prime (Not a bad name, really) but then he'd rank up to Magnus Ultra. (A good name for an energy drink, actually)

[Rial Vestro]

in terms of Animated, the rank comes AFTER the name.

Two problems with that statment.

1. I allready knew that.

I know so far the ranks on the show have been Minor, Prime, and Magnus all following the actual name of said Transformer

2. You missed my whole point entirely.

I would of made Ultra his title and base it on the original character rather than basing the rank on being the suffix in their name.

So as I said before his name would still be Ultra Magnus not Magnus Ultra. The idea is to choose the best word to be his title not to rearrange his name. I don't think it really matters where the title is in the name, if it's at the begining or the end of the name. I only brought up the subject because I thought simply calling him "Ultra" without his title was a stupid name and the original character was named "Magnus" without his armor which Magnus by itself is not a bad name.

[Shadowman]

While Ultra is a fine enough name by itself, Ultra, as a title, is not. "Ultra Sentinel" "Ultra Optimus" they sound like bad fan characters.

As for Magnus, it happens to be Latin for "Great" while Ultra is Latin for "Beyond." So it sort of makes sense in that regard. "Sentinel the Great" makes a bit more sense than "Beyond Sentinel."

[Rial Vestro]

While Ultra is a fine enough name by itself, Ultra, as a title, is not. "Ultra Sentinel" "Ultra Optimus" they sound like bad fan characters.

As for Magnus, it happens to be Latin for "Great" while Ultra is Latin for "Beyond." So it sort of makes sense in that regard. "Sentinel the Great" makes a bit more sense than "Beyond Sentinel."

I still think "Magnus" sounds better as a name than a title.

And Sentinal Magnus or Optimus Magnus don't sound like bad fan characters? Personally I still think they sound like they combined with Ultra Magnus rather than takeing a new title.

As for the whole Translation thing his name would just be "Sentinal Great" not "Sentinal the Great" so either way the translation just doesn't make any sence. Beyond Great is fine but either of thoughs paired with anything else doesn't sound right.

Ultra Sentinal I think sounds fine. Cound be better but when the only other option is Sentinal Magnus that just sounds like a bad combiner team.

Pluse you really think "Ultra" is an OK name by itself? Hey Ultra, how are you Ultra, I'm going to kill you Ultra. Any way you use it as a name on it's own it just sounds like an unfinished sentence.

Now add that to the fact that Ultra Magnus has never, even in Animated, been refered to by the name "Ultra". Any time any G1, RID, or Animated character has said his name it's allways been "Ultra Magnus" or "Magnus". Allthough characters have refered to OP as "Optimus Prime" "Optimus" and "Prime" but no one calls him "Prime" when there's multiple "primes" in the same scene that would be a little confuseing. But both Optimus and Prime sound fine on their own as a name. "Ultra" just doesn't sound good on it's own.

Ultra is typically used as a description for something else, Ultra Man, Ultra Magnus, Ultra Powerfull, which is why no matter how you use it in a sentence it just sounds like you're speaking in incomplete sentences, trying to describe something that isn't mentioned.

[Sabrblade]

Allthough characters have refered to OP as "Optimus Prime" "Optimus" and "Prime" but no one calls him "Prime" when there's multiple "primes" in the same scene that would be a little confuseing.

The News reporter bot in "The Return if the Headmaster" referred to both Optimus as "Prime" when was with Sentinel and confused them both, as the both responded "Yes?" at the same time.

[Shadowman]

And Sentinal Magnus or Optimus Magnus don't sound like bad fan characters? Personally I still think they sound like they combined with Ultra Magnus rather than takeing a new title.

No, they sound like GOOD fan characters. Either way they sound like they combined with Ultra Magnus, but Sentinel Magus still sounds better.

As for the whole Translation thing his name would just be "Sentinal Great" not "Sentinal the Great" so either way the translation just doesn't make any sence. Beyond Great is fine but either of thoughs paired with anything else doesn't sound right.

Wrong! Latin doesn't have words like "the" "a" "an" etc. So it would still be Sentinel the Great.

Ultra Sentinal I think sounds fine. Cound be better but when the only other option is Sentinal Magnus that just sounds like a bad combiner team.

And Ultra Sentinel doesn't sound like a bad combiner team?

Pluse you really think "Ultra" is an OK name by itself? Hey Ultra, how are you Ultra, I'm going to kill you Ultra. Any way you use it as a name on it's own it just sounds like an unfinished sentence.

Yup.

Now add that to the fact that Ultra Magnus has never, even in Animated, been refered to by the name "Ultra". Any time any G1, RID, or Animated character has said his name it's allways been "Ultra Magnus" or "Magnus". Allthough characters have refered to OP as "Optimus Prime" "Optimus" and "Prime" but no one calls him "Prime" when there's multiple "primes" in the same scene that would be a little confuseing. But both Optimus and Prime sound fine on their own as a name. "Ultra" just doesn't sound good on it's own.

It doesn't matter in G1 or RiD. However, they're probably referring to him by rank in Animated.

Ultra is typically used as a description for something else, Ultra Man, Ultra Magnus, Ultra Powerfull, which is why no matter how you use it in a sentence it just sounds like you're speaking in incomplete sentences, trying to describe something that isn't mentioned.

Except it's NOT a broken sentence, because it is the name of a character. You are confusing adjectives with nouns.

[Rodimus2006]

Look I really dont care about how the autobot hierarchy or goverment works could really care less about the military rankings in thier military.

I am really enjoying the last remaning episodes of animated and I am hoping all this talk about animated eventually ending are just that talking.

But I dont really know what the situation is concerning animated future or fate of the show.


Look it is really to early to worry about animated's fate will it end or not end no one will know until season 3 is eventually finished at the end of this month.

For now lets just see what they have instore for the remaining 3 episodes which are "This is why I hate machnies", Endgame Part 1-2.


This is why I hate machines is Captain Fanzone's Punchline he says that all the time so you know this is going to be about him in some form or another.

We havent yet seen the preview for this episode also we didnt get a preview for Human Error Prt 2 either.

Dosent look like we are getting one for this saturday's episode either so we will just have to wait and see what they have instore for us.

Cant wait to see if it dose end how Engame will eventuall and supposedly end animated once and for all.

Hopefully it will be up to par with last years season 2 cliffhanger A Bridge Too Close.

Well I am just going to sit back watch the remaining episodes, go watch Transformers 2 next month at my local theater and go and get my Generation 1 DVD set and also the Revenge game if it turns out half-way decent I guess I will wait on that one.

So all and all a good year for the TF-Franchise with even animated eventually ending they are still plenty on the plate to keep fans busy until something new shows up.

[Rial Vestro]

Ultra is typically used as a description for something else, Ultra Man, Ultra Magnus, Ultra Powerfull, which is why no matter how you use it in a sentence it just sounds like you're speaking in incomplete sentences, trying to describe something that isn't mentioned.

Except it's NOT a broken sentence, because it is the name of a character. You are confusing adjectives with nouns.

Not entirely true. Technically the original character's name was Magnus. Ultra was used to describe him being in battle armor and as part of his name so it's both a name and an adjative depending on how you look at it.

And G1 and RID versions do have some barring on the subject because everything in Animated is a homage to past series. Ultra Magnus is modeled after G1 Ultra Magnus and has a little bit of RID Magnus' personality. Both thoughs characters were named MAGNUS not Ultra.

Frankly I don't care how either part of the name sounds with Sentinal or how either part sounds on it's own. The main reason Ultra should be the rank is because the character's name was originally Magnus and that's all that really should matter.

[Shadowman]

Frankly I don't care how either part of the name sounds with Sentinal or how either part sounds on it's own. The main reason Ultra should be the rank is because the character's name was originally Magnus and that's all that really should matter.

No, the character's name was originally Ultra. In G1 and RID, yes, it may have been Magnus, however, this is a DIFFERENT CHARACTER. Homage means he'll look and sound and maybe even act the same but that does not dictate every aspect of the character.

[Rial Vestro]

Frankly I don't care how either part of the name sounds with Sentinal or how either part sounds on it's own. The main reason Ultra should be the rank is because the character's name was originally Magnus and that's all that really should matter.

No, the character's name was originally Ultra. In G1 and RID, yes, it may have been Magnus, however, this is a DIFFERENT CHARACTER. Homage means he'll look and sound and maybe even act the same but that does not dictate every aspect of the character.

No, the character's name was originally MAGNUS! G1 Is the original character. Animated may be named Ultra to begin with because someone screwed up on the name there but that is not the original name because he is not the original character. The original name was MAGNUS! Ultra was added with his battle armor.

All the aspects of Ultra Magnus are based on his past incarnations. His appearance resembles the G1 version of the character. His personality and new mold insted of being a repaint are based on his RID Incarnation. Allso he's allready had one major difference from Ultra Magnus, he's not a car carrior but transformers get new alt modes all the time.

This is the first time in transformers history that they've given someone a G1 name and not actully used it as that character's name. His name should be Magnus because the character he's modeled after was named Magnus it's that freaking simple.

Transformers have been given new forms all the time, new personalitys, even switched teams but they still use names from past series as they were originally intended. Doesn't matter that they're not the same characters, they still have the same names. G1 Ultra Magnus and Animated Ultra Magnus because of how the names are used technically don't even have the same name. The original is Magnus and the new version is Ultra. Can you even trade mark a rank?

Lets try this a different way.

I don't know if you're familiar with Red vs. Blue but there's a character named Simmons. They turn him into a cyborg and call him Simons 2.0 now you translate his name into Animated terms the way Ultra Magnus was and then you'd have a character named 2.0 with Simons being his rank. Now how stupid does that sound.

Or try real life terms. If someone changed a person's name like they did Animated Ultra Magnus everyone would be named Admiral, Captain, Commander, LT., Cadet, Ensign, Doctor and their ranks would be Jim, Charlie, Ben, Johnny, Peter, Dorian, Cameron. Someone could call me Mr. Hermes but Hermes would be my rank and my name would be Mr.

That's basically what Animated has done with Ultra Magnus. The part that was originally his name is now his rank and the part that originally was just a refrence to his armor is now his name. What they should of done was actully keep his name the way it was and turn "Ultra" from an armor refrence to a rank. It still wouldn't be exactly the same but it's be better.

Even RID Ultra Magnus wasn't exactly the same sence that was his name. Neither part of it was ment to be anything other than his name but they weren't dealing with ranks or haveing him wearing an armored battle suit.

[Shadowman]

Frankly I don't care how either part of the name sounds with Sentinal or how either part sounds on it's own. The main reason Ultra should be the rank is because the character's name was originally Magnus and that's all that really should matter.

No, the character's name was originally Ultra. In G1 and RID, yes, it may have been Magnus, however, this is a DIFFERENT CHARACTER. Homage means he'll look and sound and maybe even act the same but that does not dictate every aspect of the character.

No, the character's name was originally MAGNUS! G1 Is the original character. Animated may be named Ultra to begin with because someone screwed up on the name there but that is not the original name because he is not the original character. The original name was MAGNUS! Ultra was added with his battle armor.

See, you're getting very confused; G1 is not Animated, and vice versa. Just because something applies to G1 does not mean it applies to Animated. As such, Animated Ultra Magnus and G1 Ultra Magnus ARE NOT THE SAME CHARACTER, and no matter how much you argue this you will never be right.

Lets try this a different way.

I don't know if you're familiar with Red vs. Blue but there's a character named Simmons. They turn him into a cyborg and call him Simons 2.0 now you translate his name into Animated terms the way Ultra Magnus was and then you'd have a character named 2.0 with Simons being his rank. Now how stupid does that sound.

Or try real life terms. If someone changed a person's name like they did Animated Ultra Magnus everyone would be named Admiral, Captain, Commander, LT., Cadet, Ensign, Doctor and their ranks would be Jim, Charlie, Ben, Johnny, Peter, Dorian, Cameron. Someone could call me Mr. Hermes but Hermes would be my rank and my name would be Mr.

You are completely, 100% lost. We've already discussed this: In terms of Cybertronian Rank in animated, the name comes first, the rank comes second. That you're now trying to use that as an argument simply shows how badly you're trying to grasp at straws.

But using that logic, Optimus Prime, Rodimus Prime, and Sentinel Prime, are all named Prime.

Just give it up. You're not getting anywhere with this.

[Name_Violation]

shadowman-1
artist formerly known as saber prime-0

[Shadowman]

shadowman-1
artist formerly known as saber prime-0

He does this all the time; he'll start an argument, use poor logic, and never, ever admit being wrong, even if he is.

[Name_Violation]

shadowman-1
artist formerly known as saber prime-0

He does this all the time; he'll start an argument, use poor logic, and never, ever admit being wrong, even if he is.

I know. i see it all the time. but atleast he doesn't say he's done posting forever

[Rial Vestro]

See, you're getting very confused; G1 is not Animated, and vice versa. Just because something applies to G1 does not mean it applies to Animated. As such, Animated Ultra Magnus and G1 Ultra Magnus ARE NOT THE SAME CHARACTER, and no matter how much you argue this you will never be right.

No you're the one who's confused. You're "they're not the same character" argument has absolutly nothing to do with this and I never said they were the same character. I have however said that Animated is BASED on G1 and they may not be the same character but they do share the same name.

Gawd is this really that hard to understand? They're supose to have the same name which would make the Animated character "Magnus" not "Ultra". "Ultra" was a refrence to his armor, for Animated it could of been his rank. It's just my opinion, if you don't agree then fine but at least try to understand why I have the opinion. I haven't been argueing to prove a point and I didn't start the argument, I've been trying to exsplain the reasoning behind my opinion which appearently no one understands because people keep putting words in my mouth.

How many posts in a row now have you used "they're not the same character" as your agument when I've never said anything close to claiming they were. I've said he's a homage to past versions of himself seval times but I have never said they are all the same character. How many different ways do I have to exsplain the same damn over and over again before you understand something that should be verry simple.

You are completely, 100% lost. We've already discussed this: In terms of Cybertronian Rank in animated, the name comes first, the rank comes second. That you're now trying to use that as an argument simply shows how badly you're trying to grasp at straws.

But using that logic, Optimus Prime, Rodimus Prime, and Sentinel Prime, are all named Prime.

Just give it up. You're not getting anywhere with this.

Nope you're lost.

I've allready said this. I know how they've chosen to make the ranks follow the name I said that in my first post, I repeated that when you brought it up the first time, and I'm repeating it now. I allready know.

And again you have absolutly no understanding of what I'm saying. I can tell you have no idea what I said by the way you're useing the logic.

No, everyone else would still be the same. Prime would still be their rank.

It would help if you just completly forget the standard that rank has to come before or after the name.

Here lets try this one.

Ultra Magnus = Sir Toby

Optimus Prime = Lancalot the Brave

G1 and Animated Optimus Prime would be exactly the same in both instances, his name would be Lancelot and his rank would be "the Brave" now you translate Ultra Magnus and his G1 self would be named "Toby" and his rank would be "Sir" which makes perfect sence. But in Animated his name would translate to "Sir" and his rank would be "Toby".

If you want to stick to the idea that rank has to follow name then G1 Ultra Magnus would be named "Magnus Ultra" sence the original character his name came second not his rank. But his name was not Ultra, it was Magnus. So to keep the same name the rank should of been Ultra.