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The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Discuss anything about the Transformers cartoons and comics! You can discuss anything from G1 to Cybertron as well as the comics from Marvel, Dreamwave, IDW and more!

Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Saber Prime » Sat Jan 12, 2008 11:13 am

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That Dinobot episode was lame. I just don't see this series getting any better.


i agree. just finished watching it. The end was slightly redeeming when grimlock transformed, but the episode was just overall boring, and the whole side issue with bulkhead was dumb and pointless. If the episodes are so isolated in plot that they can air them out of order, I find something wrong with the series. All I see then doing right now is having headatron come up with stupid schemes and plots to fight the autobots and failing. I personally like big overarching plots that actually make some HEADway each episode. What pisses me off is how all these other characters get little more than cameo time for like an episode or so. I think the show will get better as more things come into play, like a fully mobilized team of decepticons fighting the autobots, the cybertron elite guard, etc. but right now I can't say I really like it.


I prefer it that way. That means if someone misses an episode they won't have a "WTF" reaction when the next episode comes arround.

When I still had Cartoon Network durring Transformers Armada I completly missed a few episodes and came back in after Starscream had joined the Autobots. That was a "WTF" reaction for me haveing not seen anything before than. Of course I've seen all the episodes I missed on You Tube and the series still doesn't make any sence so that's probly a bad example.

Anyway, some times a nice overall series plot (AllSpark) can be a good thing. But it would absolutly suck to miss an episode and loose some major plot points.

Now I have 2 questions. Are the Dinobots stupid and is it YouTube yet?
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby sandmunky » Sat Jan 12, 2008 11:15 am

I prefer it that way. That means if someone misses an episode they won't have a "WTF" reaction when the next episode comes arround.

When I still had Cartoon Network durring Transformers Armada I completly missed a few episodes and came back in after Starscream had joined the Autobots. That was a "WTF" reaction for me haveing not seen anything before than. Of course I've seen all the episodes I missed on You Tube and the series still doesn't make any sence so that's probly a bad example.

Anyway, some times a nice overall series plot (AllSpark) can be a good thing. But it would absolutly suck to miss an episode and loose some major plot points.


that always does suck, but if you know the show is going to have a dedicated plot like that, it would make sense to hold off on watching the new ones until you can watch the old ones. And with things like them popping up on youtube and on "less than legal" filesharing sites, it is relatively easy to get caught up if you ask me, so I don't see this having any problems for the fans themselves.


and to answer your questions:

very stupid

probably. fan of transformers gets em up pretty fast.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Menbailee » Sat Jan 12, 2008 11:16 am

The latest episode rates as outright terrific stuff, both for kids' programming and for us fans. Here are a few of the strengths as I saw them:

The creation of the Dinobots makes sense! They're made from the best that Cybertronian-enhanced Earth tech has to offer, based on designs furnished by Megatron and not fully understood by their human engineer. The Allspark, through the conduit it entrusted to a human guardian, recognized their origins and granted them sparks. However, the terran origin of their hardware renders them less intelligent than the average Cybertronian, with little notion of who or what they are. With a nudge from Megatron, they perceive human technology and the Autobots as their antagonists. It's original, yet it allows for the wonderful recurrence of the Dinobots as we know them. "Me, Grimlock!"

The Prowl/Bulkhead interaction followed the previous episode's character thread nicely. Prowl learned to be playful with the others, and now Bulkhead tries to learn Prowl's style of fighting, only to find that he works best doing what he knows how to do. Bulkhead's oafish antics serve to underscore the parallel between him and the Dinobots so that even young viewers understand why Prowl would respect them both in a similar way.

Speaking of, Prowl's refusal to give up on something that could be alive developed what we've seen previously concerning his respect for living things not readily understood by his friends, whereas Prime's call on the situation reflected his continuing development as a tactical leader.

The mixture of guilt and continued fascination with new technology that drives Sumdac to cooperate with Megatron is nicely handled. This show consistently takes interactions that could equally well be written for older audiences and renders them clear for younger viewers.

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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby sandmunky » Sat Jan 12, 2008 11:21 am

prime does seem to be on his way to filling in the shoes of the wise tactical paladin he was in g1. He is getting better at coordinating them as a team and does have more confidence. However I really bet that is going to get all stripped down when the cybertronian guard arrives. They'll probably just be like, you've made a total mess of things! and such.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Nemesis Cyberplex » Sat Jan 12, 2008 11:38 am

That was awsome, not only in its own right but as an homage to the G1 series. hell the plot goes right along with the original dinobot episodes, with a couple of twists:

-The autobots go to learn about fossils
-The dinobots are created to be lifelike replicas of real dinosaurs
-the dinobots wreak havok the second they are activated, & the Autobots use an EMP blast to shut them down
-bulky clumsy TF goes to an secluded island to train
-Dinobots are tricked by Megatron to think the autobots were bad guys
-Dinobots are stopped by being pushed into tar, which they try to get out by burning it
-Optimus says they're too dangerous to keep alive
-Autobots disobey & hide them away

Also, I might happen to add, it seemed a bit odd that Grimlock had an Autobot symbol on his chest, untill I thought that it might have been either because the allspark key might have given it to them, or possibly Sumdac did...or hell, maybe Megatron had it in his design to help fool Sumdac.

Something else I like about this series so far (I don't know if I mentioned it or not): with all the Sumdac robots running around, the TFs don't have to worry so much about hiding from people, which never made sense anyway. I mean their disguises were to hide from each other to aid in espionage & sh*t, not to hide from aliens. besides, like they pointed out in the second episode(or the middle section of the intro movie), how would they know what to hide from anyway? People, robots, bears, very small rocks??

Anyway, yeah, "Me, Grimlock, badass!!"
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Silent_Magnus » Sat Jan 12, 2008 11:38 am

I think the whole continuity thing will be settled with Episode 7 "Thrill Of The Hunt"

The description says Ratchet will be having flashbacks to his tour of duty.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Nemesis Cyberplex » Sat Jan 12, 2008 12:48 pm

Silent_Magnus wrote:I think the whole continuity thing will be settled with Episode 7 "Thrill Of The Hunt"

The description says Ratchet will be having flashbacks to his tour of duty.
IIRC hearing about plots & such some of his flashbacking involves Ratchet saving a damsel-bot in distress, namely Arcee, who I believe is supposed to be voiced by none other than the TFA's voice director: Sue Blu....G1 Arcee's voice.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Solrac333 » Sat Jan 12, 2008 12:57 pm

Dinobots in G1 were created for one reason, destroy Devastator. Plain and simple. Dinobots now, lame attempt to connect with G1. I will say that Kaye's voice for Grimlock is better than his voice for Prime.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Hi-Rez » Sat Jan 12, 2008 1:48 pm

I have been pleased with story telling in this series. The animation is what it is, so I'll deal. I've really enjoyed the voice acting out of Kaye, and Burton. It's cool to hear Rrime sounding like a younger Treize Khushranada from Gundam Wing.

Hopefully we can hold out for a TF series for adults done with Gundam 00-level of animation and Furman-level stories and plot lines. This is a decent show to fill in the wait b/w movies at least.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Silent_Magnus » Sat Jan 12, 2008 1:56 pm

omega666 wrote:Dinobots in G1 were created for one reason, destroy Devastator. Plain and simple. Dinobots now, lame attempt to connect with G1. I will say that Kaye's voice for Grimlock is better than his voice for Prime.


The first three Dinobots in G1 were created as pretty much an experiment. The Other two were created to battle the first three after they turned on the Autobots.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby woosh » Sat Jan 12, 2008 2:00 pm

Ha, i KNEW IT! i knew that the dinobots will be theme park dinosaurs brought to life, i just knew it!

OMG THE NEWS PRESENTER. he resembles someone. the guy that was acted by will ferrel.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Sat Jan 12, 2008 2:17 pm

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sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:According to the Bible and the script for the 86 TF movie Daniel was about 5 years younger then Spike was when we first meet him in the G1 toon.

Now trying to figure out Spike's age seems difficult but in more then one episode of G1 he makes there are refrances to the fact that he's to young to drive.One time by Spike himself in the first season and the other by a police officer in the second season.

Now it is my understanding that the legale age for driving on the West Coast back in 1984 was 16 or 17 years old.

So for Spike not to be old enough to drive he had to be at least 14 years old when we first meet him [and probably younger based on the cop's reaction].

So if you subtrack about 6 years from the age Spike must be in the first season of G1 you end up at 7 years of age.

So G1 Daniel was about 8 years old in the 86 movie.Far closer to what you thing Animated Daniel looked like.

Saber Prime wrote:Your math is a little off. That would still put Daniel at 10 years of age.

According to Carly's Wiki page she was a year older than Spike and she had her own car. That Places her at 16 and Spike at 15. If Daniel was ment to be 5 years younger than Spike like you say that makes him 10. That's only 2 years younger than my original estimate and still a year older than what I thought Sari to be.


No my math is not wrong but it look's like your reading skills need tunning up.If you read my post again you'll see that I said Spike is about 14 when "We" first met him not when Carly first met him.So that would put Daniel at 9 years old.

Second Wiki is a totally unreliable source.And I always felt that Carly was about 2 years older then Spike....but that was my opinion.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:This makes a bit more sence then Daniel being 12 for other reasons.At the time of the movie [1986] the ideal family starting age for a young man was considered to be between 26 and 27 years of age.But if Daniel was 12 like you suggest [and I'll admit he looked] he would have had to been born when Spike was 22 or 23 years of age.


Saber Prime wrote:Really where are you getting thoughs numbers?

There's absolutly nothing wrong with a 22 year old man haveing a child as long as that man can suport his child.

My oldest nephew is a year old and his father just turned 23 last month.


I never said that there was anything wrong with having kids at 22 years old....the U.S. goverment did.Remember I had kids at 13 years old.I had to attened all kinds of planed parenthood classes.

Remember those were the Regan years and consevertisim was at a all time high.You may have been born in the late 80's but you didnt live trew those years.

You didnt sit trew all the lectures from the establishment telling every one how they should live there lives of the school conceler's doing the same or all the so called studies give and reported on the topic.

And TV kid show's were not about to go against the grain on the topic.As it is Transformers was already one of the first cartoon shows of its kind.

Before the 80's there was a law in effect that bared and cartoon show to be made that was based on a toyline because it could be considered false advertisment.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Now I know people were having kids at younger ages then, I my self had kids at the age of 13 but I doubt that a 80's cartoon would have been advocating anything less then what the U. S. govererment would have considered the ideal family starting age.

Saber Prime wrote:I'm not even sure that's physically possible. You just hit puberty and had a kid, riiiiight..


Now your accuseing me of lieing???????When have I ever done that in all our debates???

Have I ever disrespected you in that fasion????Even when your claims were completly wrong???

I have always treated you with more respect then that.It now appears that I treated you with more respect then you deserve.

It is physically possible.....look at all the adultlesent child birth rates.

Ask your doctor.

Not everyone enters puberty at the same age.My first signs of puberty were at the age of 10.

And I said "KIDS" not a kid.I had twin daughters at the age of 13.

You must have growen up in a pretty nice neborhood never to have encountered a 13 year old parent.Or a 11 year old pregnet girl.

It's pretty common place where I'm from.

Saber Prime wrote: Megatron just crash landed in his back yard and he's the only person that knows about it. You don't think that if anyone else was living with him that they would have woken up to the crash or at least seen Megatron the next morning if they were that heavy of sleepers?

Granted he does look a little younger but I highly doubt anyone that young could keep something like that a secret for long.


Look at how long Geffory Damer kept his secret's hidden.

I didnt tell my mother about my kids till they were 3 years old.

Sudemek also seemed to be living on a farm in a rueal area so he could have had any kind of heavy lifting equiment to move what was left of Megatron.

And all we saw there was a head...the rest of Megatrons body could have landed further away from the head.

The only thing anyone he was living with in the morning would have seen was the inpact site..which could have also been hidden with farm equiment.

And who's to say anyone was home that night.You assume too much.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Nemesis Cyberplex » Sat Jan 12, 2008 2:31 pm

woosh wrote:Ha, i KNEW IT! i knew that the dinobots will be theme park dinosaurs brought to life, i just knew it!

OMG THE NEWS PRESENTER. he resembles someone. the guy that was acted by will ferrel.
I kinda thought it would be a good introduction for putting them in the second movie, although now Bay will probably say since it was done in a kiddy cartoon it's a stupid idea......

....although given the lack of reasoning for Scorponok, odd are they'll just be there & by the time you're wondering why they'll be in the middle of tearing up stuff so that you won't care.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Sabrblade » Sat Jan 12, 2008 4:56 pm

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[quote=sto_vo_kor_2000]2] Primal seemed to be a very well versed in G1 history.He wasnt even the least bit suprised by the holigrapthic Prime even being there.[/quote]

Hate to disagree with you but, he was surprised to see it there. Both he and Nightscream had a :shock: look on their faces when it appeared. Judging from their facial expressions, they weren't expecting to find a hologram of G1 Prime.

Also, for those of you who seemt to think that Sumdac is too old or Sari is too young or whatever. The reason for this the fact that she is adopted! She is not, I repeat, NOT a robot. It says that she's both adopted and 100% human right here: http://www.unicron.com/news_item/1145/
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Sat Jan 12, 2008 5:15 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:Hate to disagree with you but, he was surprised to see it there. Both he and Nightscream had a :shock: look on their faces when it appeared. Judging from their facial expressions, they weren't expecting to find a hologram of G1 Prime.


Nightscream did looked shocked but Primal did not.Primal barly even looked suprised when the hologram turned on.....there's nothing in his facial expression to conclude that he was the list bit shocked.
Here watch it again....time frame 1:53
http://youtube.com/watch?v=bu5taWiLdEM&feature=related

And again I dont see Primal being gulible enough to be tricked by something that should not be there in the first place.

With all his knowledge on the history of G1 and his ancestor he should have knowen wether or not such a thing exsisted.

Sabrblade wrote:Also, for those of you who seemt to think that Sumdac is too old or Sari is too young or whatever. The reason for this the fact that she is adopted! She is not, I repeat, NOT a robot. It says that she's both adopted and 100% human right here: http://www.unicron.com/news_item/1145/


Didnt know that thanks.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Sabrblade » Sat Jan 12, 2008 5:41 pm

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sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:And again I dont see Primal being gulible enough to be tricked by something that should not be there in the first place.

With all his knowledge on the history of G1 and his ancestor he should have knowen wether or not such a thing exsisted.


:| Well, I guess we'll never really know, seeing as how we were never told whether Primal did know about it or not. But the Beast Machines DVDs sure do come in handy. :) Or in your case, Youtube.

Let's spread the word about Sari's situation.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Tekka » Sat Jan 12, 2008 5:42 pm

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Just saw #6. I enjoyed it for the most part, despite Sumdac's failure to see to think rationally.

The Autobots are still lame. I like that they kept the traditional Dinobot behaviour, but Grimlock seemed even stupider than he was in G1, but maybe it's just the higher pitched voice that does it. I did like the Transformation at the end though, but why didn't Slag and Swoop transform too? =(
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Sabrblade » Sat Jan 12, 2008 5:43 pm

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They're probably saving that for a more important moment.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Sat Jan 12, 2008 6:06 pm

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sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:And again I dont see Primal being gulible enough to be tricked by something that should not be there in the first place.

With all his knowledge on the history of G1 and his ancestor he should have knowen wether or not such a thing exsisted.


:| Well, I guess we'll never really know, seeing as how we were never told whether Primal did know about it or not. But the Beast Machines DVDs sure do come in handy. :) Or in your case, Youtube.

Let's spread the word about Sari's situation.


Beast Machines DVD's have always been out of my grasp.When I have the money I can find them at a good price and when I'm broke I find them for as little as $20.bucks.

I have the worce luck :sad:
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Nemesis Cyberplex » Sat Jan 12, 2008 6:16 pm

Sabrblade wrote:They're probably saving that for a more important moment.
That & Grimlock's intelligence, whatever intelligence he has. He may be like the comics Grimlock where he's actually rather smart(or of average cybertronian intelligence) but has a sh*tty vocal processor.
All they showed was what little he figured out from the little information he was given: cars & trucks were bad because they run on dinosaur goo, they were dinosaurs(of a sort), & cars & that turn into robots were worse than regular carsd & trucks. I mean hell, if that's all you were told after you started to function & then set loose on the world, you would probably do the same. Hell, I'd guarantee you that if anybody here was raised in an isolated enviroment & never told what the name of the color yellow was, by the time you were grown you would either just have no clue or would be calling it something else ("hey, there goes Bumblebee, that shmoo-colored TF.").

Lack of information & lack of intelligence are 2 completely different things.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Starscreams bad comedy » Sat Jan 12, 2008 6:33 pm

Ok, I havent seen all the episodes in this series yet, basically just the pilot and the last two episodes. So I have a few questions:

1. What happened to Starscream after Prime and him were wreeling for the all spark and there was the big explosion?

2. How did Megatron regain conciseness and how exactly is he interacting with the outside world?

3. Whats the deal with Sari's "key"?

4. Were'nt they supposed to use the autobot and decepticon symbols for comercial breaks/story changes?
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Sabrblade » Sat Jan 12, 2008 7:05 pm

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Starscreams bad comedy wrote:Ok, I havent seen all the episodes in this series yet, basically just the pilot and the last two episodes. So I have a few questions:

1. What happened to Starscream after Prime and him were wreeling for the all spark and there was the big explosion?

2. How did Megatron regain conciseness and how exactly is he interacting with the outside world?

3. Whats the deal with Sari's "key"?

4. Were'nt they supposed to use the autobot and decepticon symbols for comercial breaks/story changes?


1. We don't know. He disappeared after that, but he'll appear again so he can't be dead.

2. Sari trid to use her key to get in to her dad's lab to speak with him. The energy from the key went through the building, and into the cords connected to Megs' head. He's interacting to the outside world by watching stuff on the giant screen in the lab and controlling some of the technology in the lab.

3. Sari's key was originally her security key, and was turned into "the Key" by the Allspark. It serves as a healing/life-granting/repairing/power-boosting device for the Autobots.

4. I don't recall ever hearing about that. could you give us the source that claims that that was to be?
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Saber Prime » Sat Jan 12, 2008 8:18 pm

Sabrblade wrote:
Starscreams bad comedy wrote:Ok, I havent seen all the episodes in this series yet, basically just the pilot and the last two episodes. So I have a few questions:

1. What happened to Starscream after Prime and him were wreeling for the all spark and there was the big explosion?

2. How did Megatron regain conciseness and how exactly is he interacting with the outside world?

3. Whats the deal with Sari's "key"?

4. Were'nt they supposed to use the autobot and decepticon symbols for comercial breaks/story changes?


1. We don't know. He disappeared after that, but he'll appear again so he can't be dead.

2. Sari trid to use her key to get in to her dad's lab to speak with him. The energy from the key went through the building, and into the cords connected to Megs' head. He's interacting to the outside world by watching stuff on the giant screen in the lab and controlling some of the technology in the lab.

3. Sari's key was originally her security key, and was turned into "the Key" by the Allspark. It serves as a healing/life-granting/repairing/power-boosting device for the Autobots.

4. I don't recall ever hearing about that. could you give us the source that claims that that was to be?


What he said.

So Sari isn't a robot and is adopted?
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Sat Jan 12, 2008 8:22 pm

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Saber Prime wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Starscreams bad comedy wrote:Ok, I havent seen all the episodes in this series yet, basically just the pilot and the last two episodes. So I have a few questions:

1. What happened to Starscream after Prime and him were wreeling for the all spark and there was the big explosion?

2. How did Megatron regain conciseness and how exactly is he interacting with the outside world?

3. Whats the deal with Sari's "key"?

4. Were'nt they supposed to use the autobot and decepticon symbols for comercial breaks/story changes?


1. We don't know. He disappeared after that, but he'll appear again so he can't be dead.

2. Sari trid to use her key to get in to her dad's lab to speak with him. The energy from the key went through the building, and into the cords connected to Megs' head. He's interacting to the outside world by watching stuff on the giant screen in the lab and controlling some of the technology in the lab.

3. Sari's key was originally her security key, and was turned into "the Key" by the Allspark. It serves as a healing/life-granting/repairing/power-boosting device for the Autobots.

4. I don't recall ever hearing about that. could you give us the source that claims that that was to be?


What he said.

So Sari isn't a robot and is adopted?


That's what the creators said......but you already said that what the creators say dont matter.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Sat Jan 12, 2008 9:03 pm

Motto: "Today is a good day to die......but the day is not yet over!"
I remeber some one asked earlyer if the new episode was up on youtube.Cant remember who but here it is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v/VcjvhDE7 ... dKsBd9PmOF
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