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T-Macksimus wrote:

T-Macksimus wrote:You know what, screw EVERYONE!! Dump Welker AND Cullen from TF3. In fact reset the whole @$%* thing. Dump all the current human actors. Bring in total unknowns, bring in brand new Voice Actors and lets spend 2 1/2 hours watching Unicron suck the crap out of our planet while indiscriminat robots blow the hell out of each other. And right at the last 5 minutes we get to watch Prime (Voiced by special guest VA Paul Rubens) pull some new, unexplained kind of matrix out of his exhaust port, shout "Light our darkest hour!" and destroy Unicron and transport all the Transformers back to a restored Cybertron.

How's THAT sit with you people??? NOW you have something worth bitching about!


...and before 80% of you ask, Paul Rubens is "Pee Wee Herman", so there's something else to get stuck in your brain like the chours of a really crappy song.

Sorry guys, that came across just a little bit harsher than it needed to be. I'm a smoker (spare the lecture, I'll only get my ire up) and I had gone without since yesterday. I turn into a real ***hole when I have to go without but I found someone to take pity on me (actually they just didn't want to put up with me being a grouch) so I've had one and I'm much better now.

I still think there are a lot of ungrateful, misguided people out there turning this into something WAY bigger then it needs to be but at least now I won't be as likely to go for someones throat as I would have 30 minutes ago. And I make no appologies for the Pee Wee Herman reference either. That one was thrown in solely for the purpose of screwing with your heads and I hope it causes angst for someone somewhere.

Nothin' at all wrong with Peewee xD

Be thankful Mr. Rubens didn't do the voice for one of the herp'n'derp twins.

Hey guys does soundwaves voice soung like it did in G1?

FracturedKoi wrote:Ok, I can understand complaining about the plot, or lack thereof. I can understand complaining about the overuse of four-letter-words. I can understand complaining about useless new characters. But such heat over a voice? I mean, c'mon...it's not like Soundwave's voice was incredibly out of character. I don't hear anyone complaining about Wheelie's new voice. I mean...his rhyming, sing-song speech patters were soooo defining and iconic of him, weren't they?

Personally, I'm much more irritated about what they did to Jetfire. As a character, it works, sure. But as the character of "Jetfire", no.

IMO, the reason people are mad about Soundwave's voice is because he is identified with it as much as Prime is with his. SW and his synthesized voice are inseparable as far as I'm concerned.

I'm right there with you on the Jetfire voice. He sounded nothing like you'd think a "former" Decepticon would. Not to mention his size and the fact he was such a bad azz plane, you'd expect a bad azz imposing voice for him. I just thought it was another aspect of the TF2 team reaching in an attempt to give the movie even more personality.

Ravage XK wrote:To say that this isn't a G1 movie isn't really true, its using some of the characters from G1.

Wrong. None of the characters in this movie are from G1.

They are all new characters that share similar names and some body designs to characters from G1, but they are NOT the same characters from G1.

ROTF Soundwave =/= G1 Soundwave, Movie Optimus Prime =/= G1 Optimus Prime, and the same goes for the rest of them.

Rock Sexton wrote:

travicon wrote:im so tired of hearing "g1 fans" complain about his voice. if you are the hardcore g1 fan you think you are then you would know that that IS Soundwaves voice, welker did the voice the exact same way he always has, they just didnt as strong of an effect over it (as many fans who know what they are talking about already stated)! so if you call your self a g1 fan and are upset about soundwaves voice in the movie, take a break from comming to this or any other transformers site rewatch g1 and then come back and admit you were wrong.

rant over.

Clueless.........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9OarJLbV4Y

They use a synthesizer/vocoder for his voice in G1. I watched that show a million times growing up and it's the voice any legitimate fan identifies Soundwave with.

The voice he ended up with in this film was without syth/vocoder. It it was like all of the other characters he's lent that voice to in his time. He did it for the Devil in Eddie Murphy's "The Golden Child" and the Devil in "Spawn" just to name a few.......

Look I understand the fanboys wanna stick up for this movie, but it's getting out of hand with the excuses. The ROTF people even stated they didn't use the original voice because they thought it would be too hard to understand. Ummmmmm I know I never had a problem understanding him. And to think he'd be inaudible on the sound systems in theaters? C'mmmmmmmon.

im saying that if you watch g1 you'll see that sometimes they left out the effect and then you get dr claw, meaning same voice just no effect over it. what part of that do you not understand?????

and thank you 5150 for the link!

5150 Cruiser wrote:

Rock Sexton wrote:

travicon wrote:im so tired of hearing "g1 fans" complain about his voice. if you are the hardcore g1 fan you think you are then you would know that that IS Soundwaves voice, welker did the voice the exact same way he always has, they just didnt as strong of an effect over it (as many fans who know what they are talking about already stated)! so if you call your self a g1 fan and are upset about soundwaves voice in the movie, take a break from comming to this or any other transformers site rewatch g1 and then come back and admit you were wrong.

rant over.

Clueless.........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9OarJLbV4Y

They use a synthesizer/vocoder for his voice in G1. I watched that show a million times growing up and it's the voice any legitimate fan identifies Soundwave with.

The voice he ended up with in this film was without syth/vocoder. It it was like all of the other characters he's lent that voice to in his time. He did it for the Devil in Eddie Murphy's "The Golden Child" and the Devil in "Spawn" just to name a few.......

Look I understand the fanboys wanna stick up for this movie, but it's getting out of hand with the excuses. The ROTF people even stated they didn't use the original voice because they thought it would be too hard to understand. Ummmmmm I know I never had a problem understanding him. And to think he'd be inaudible on the sound systems in theaters? C'mmmmmmmon.

Thats funny. Listen the the last part of this clip...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkxLgjGT3Go

Sounds alot like Movie Soundwave.

Either way, its a movie people. I wish they used his synthisizer too, but i got over it after the first couple lines. It is what it is, and there'sno use in crying about it now.

thanks again for the link, and your right it is just a movie and i too would have liked the synth over the voice too. its just the overwhelming negitivity has been bringing me down!

travicon wrote:
thanks again for the link, and your right it is just a movie and i too would have liked the synth over the voice too. its just the overwhelming negitivity has been bringing me down!

NO problem. But to be fair, i used the link that someone else posted. I just pointed out the voice simularites.
Isn't it amazing how much a reaction this movie is getting? Short of a topic about religion or politics, i don't think I've ever seen (and I'm being honest here) a topic that so many hold on such high a pedestal. I mean i know were all fans, (and yes were all fans. I'm no less a TF fan cause i like the movie universe than those that prefer G1,Armada, Beast wars etc., or vise versa) and we'd all like to see our hobby represented to the highest degree (which i still think they've done a good job with), but when its all over...
Its really just a movie. Soundwaves voice, Primes flames, BB being a Camaro, Skids and Mudflap getting more screen time than Construcicons, dirty humor, MB directing...

Its not worth loosing sleep over guys (and i know many of you are).
Like i said before, it is what it is. Life will go on. Now lets all sit around the camp fire and sing "kum-ba-ya"!
... Or the TF theme. What ever you prefer!

I will admitt, I was surprised and disappointed that Soundwave didn't sound like his cartoon counterpart, especially since it is Welker voicing him. I think the classic Soundwave voice would have fitted in well in this universe. But, it's not something I'm going to lose sleep over.

5150 Cruiser wrote:

travicon wrote:
thanks again for the link, and your right it is just a movie and i too would have liked the synth over the voice too. its just the overwhelming negitivity has been bringing me down!

NO problem. But to be fair, i used the link that someone else posted. I just pointed out the voice simularites.
Isn't it amazing how much a reaction this movie is getting? Short of a topic about religion or politics, i don't think I've ever seen (and I'm being honest here) a topic that so many hold on such high a pedestal. I mean i know were all fans, (and yes were all fans. I'm no less a TF fan cause i like the movie universe than those that prefer G1,Armada, Beast wars etc., or vise versa) and we'd all like to see our hobby represented to the highest degree (which i still think they've done a good job with), but when its all over...
Its really just a movie. Soundwaves voice, Primes flames, BB being a Camaro, Skids and Mudflap getting more screen time than Construcicons, dirty humor, MB directing...

Its not worth loosing sleep over guys (and i know many of you are).
Like i said before, it is what it is. Life will go on. Now lets all sit around the camp fire and sing "kum-ba-ya"!
... Or the TF theme. What ever you prefer!

it IS amazing! especialy from the fans, i mean, im just glad that they did a live action movie, ya know? michael bay directing, questionable humor, plot holes and everything, i would rather take that then no movie at all. and back on the soundwave voice subject for a sec here, at least welker (my favorite voice actor of all time) did soundwave, and he did it exactly as he did for g1 so as far as im concerned he did his part and for that im greatful and extremely pleased!

anyway, its a shame not more people aruond here have your attitude my friend!

peace

Ravage XK wrote:The problem is that Soundwaves G1 voice is an iconic part of the cartoon. To say that this isn't a G1 movie isn't really true, its using some of the characters from G1. Most of the series that ran after G1 had some form of connection to those characters. So you can say that all TF series are linked to G1.

I don't know of any series where Soundwave didn't have that electronic sound to his voice, it may not always have been the same effect but I'm sure it was always there.

I know its an odd thing but if you are going to make a Transformers movie you SHOULD keep the elements that make the character who they are. Otherwise, you might as well give them a totally different/new name. If they had all been brand new characters then maybe people wouldn't find so much to complain about as we could have accepted them for what they are and not what we consider they should be.

So true, if they are against using his G1 voice, why not just have him be a whole new character.

travicon wrote:

5150 Cruiser wrote:

travicon wrote:
thanks again for the link, and your right it is just a movie and i too would have liked the synth over the voice too. its just the overwhelming negitivity has been bringing me down!

NO problem. But to be fair, i used the link that someone else posted. I just pointed out the voice simularites.
Isn't it amazing how much a reaction this movie is getting? Short of a topic about religion or politics, i don't think I've ever seen (and I'm being honest here) a topic that so many hold on such high a pedestal. I mean i know were all fans, (and yes were all fans. I'm no less a TF fan cause i like the movie universe than those that prefer G1,Armada, Beast wars etc., or vise versa) and we'd all like to see our hobby represented to the highest degree (which i still think they've done a good job with), but when its all over...
Its really just a movie. Soundwaves voice, Primes flames, BB being a Camaro, Skids and Mudflap getting more screen time than Construcicons, dirty humor, MB directing...

Its not worth loosing sleep over guys (and i know many of you are).
Like i said before, it is what it is. Life will go on. Now lets all sit around the camp fire and sing "kum-ba-ya"!
... Or the TF theme. What ever you prefer!

it IS amazing! especialy from the fans, i mean, im just glad that they did a live action movie, ya know? michael bay directing, questionable humor, plot holes and everything, i would rather take that then no movie at all. and back on the soundwave voice subject for a sec here, at least welker (my favorite voice actor of all time) did soundwave, and he did it exactly as he did for g1 so as far as im concerned he did his part and for that im greatful and extremely pleased!

anyway, its a shame not more people aruond here have your attitude my friend!

peace

Herein lies the fun of being part of one GREAT BIG DYSFUNCTIONAL FAMILY! We are the reason that Reality TV has been pushing so hard to create new shows. Folks are abandoning their TV's in favor of forum boards and chat-rooms. Heck, outside of the 5:00 News I haven't watched cable in 3 days. I don't need too. Sure we attack and antagonize each other but when the chips are down I'm reasonably sure that 1/4 of these guys may actually have my back and the other 3/4 would give me a running start before they tried shooting me in the back. That's almost as good of odds as I would expect from my own family so I feel right at home here.
And to be sincere for just one brief instance, from my own standpoint, the reason I may be harsh or pushy with some of these folks is because I've been here long enough to say that I do give a damn about them, I respect quite a lot of them, I do see a lot of potential in people and sometimes folks need that extra push or kick in the chops, or eye opener to let them know that they really are "better than this" or that they are being "bull-headed" or in some cases you see where some need the encouragement. When we go too far a Mod will shoot lightning from his/her arse and bring us low and that's cool. (sucks for the offenders, trust me). I've walked away for weeks on end after getting frustrated but I just can't seem to give up on folks here. We are a community, we are a family, and at times we are the sum of all the Village idiots, but at least here, we can say we are something. That's good enough for me.

I liked his voice, just got back from seeing the movie and i was paying attention after reading this thread and frankly it fits the movie alot better than the vocoded one.

T-Macksimus wrote:

travicon wrote:

5150 Cruiser wrote:

travicon wrote:
thanks again for the link, and your right it is just a movie and i too would have liked the synth over the voice too. its just the overwhelming negitivity has been bringing me down!

NO problem. But to be fair, i used the link that someone else posted. I just pointed out the voice simularites.
Isn't it amazing how much a reaction this movie is getting? Short of a topic about religion or politics, i don't think I've ever seen (and I'm being honest here) a topic that so many hold on such high a pedestal. I mean i know were all fans, (and yes were all fans. I'm no less a TF fan cause i like the movie universe than those that prefer G1,Armada, Beast wars etc., or vise versa) and we'd all like to see our hobby represented to the highest degree (which i still think they've done a good job with), but when its all over...
Its really just a movie. Soundwaves voice, Primes flames, BB being a Camaro, Skids and Mudflap getting more screen time than Construcicons, dirty humor, MB directing...

Its not worth loosing sleep over guys (and i know many of you are).
Like i said before, it is what it is. Life will go on. Now lets all sit around the camp fire and sing "kum-ba-ya"!
... Or the TF theme. What ever you prefer!

it IS amazing! especialy from the fans, i mean, im just glad that they did a live action movie, ya know? michael bay directing, questionable humor, plot holes and everything, i would rather take that then no movie at all. and back on the soundwave voice subject for a sec here, at least welker (my favorite voice actor of all time) did soundwave, and he did it exactly as he did for g1 so as far as im concerned he did his part and for that im greatful and extremely pleased!

anyway, its a shame not more people aruond here have your attitude my friend!

peace

Herein lies the fun of being part of one GREAT BIG DYSFUNCTIONAL FAMILY! We are the reason that Reality TV has been pushing so hard to create new shows. Folks are abandoning their TV's in favor of forum boards and chat-rooms. Heck, outside of the 5:00 News I haven't watched cable in 3 days. I don't need too. Sure we attack and antagonize each other but when the chips are down I'm reasonably sure that 1/4 of these guys may actually have my back and the other 3/4 would give me a running start before they tried shooting me in the back. That's almost as good of odds as I would expect from my own family so I feel right at home here.
And to be sincere for just one brief instance, from my own standpoint, the reason I may be harsh or pushy with some of these folks is because I've been here long enough to say that I do give a damn about them, I respect quite a lot of them, I do see a lot of potential in people and sometimes folks need that extra push or kick in the chops, or eye opener to let them know that they really are "better than this" or that they are being "bull-headed" or in some cases you see where some need the encouragement. When we go too far a Mod will shoot lightning from his/her arse and bring us low and that's cool. (sucks for the offenders, trust me). I've walked away for weeks on end after getting frustrated but I just can't seem to give up on folks here. We are a community, we are a family, and at times we are the sum of all the Village idiots, but at least here, we can say we are something. That's good enough for me.

Thanks travicon! I'm just here to have fun!

T-Macksimus, I don't think truer words have been spoken. Despite not seeing eye to eye with a few people here concerning the movie, I've still made a few friends from the "Bay haters!" so to speak. Though there taste in movies suck, most are still good people. If anything, its a good way to pass the time till the GF gets home.

Sabrblade wrote:

Ravage XK wrote:To say that this isn't a G1 movie isn't really true, its using some of the characters from G1.

Wrong. None of the characters in this movie are from G1.

They are all new characters that share similar names and some body designs to characters from G1, but they are NOT the same characters from G1.

ROTF Soundwave =/= G1 Soundwave, Movie Optimus Prime =/= G1 Optimus Prime, and the same goes for the rest of them.

No, you are wrong. They have the same name so they are supposed to be the same characters, they share some of the same roles, characteristics ( Bumbleebee is Sams closest TF friend - Optimus is the leader, Ratchet the medic - no need to go on ). Clearly, they are meant to be the same characters.

You cannot use an established name and apply it to someone new. What if Wolverine from the X Men films didnt have those claws and instead had a helicopter stuck to his head? Wouldnt work.

I can live with Welker's work on ROTF, like it was said before, hardcore g1 fans should know it was him. Better that than a crappy vocoded effect or a different voice actor entirely.
I wonder what ILM's resident sound gurus Ben Burtt and Matthew Wood think about this & wonder if they would've went with g1 voice, no vocoder, or something different.

Ravage XK wrote:You cannot use an established name and apply it to someone new.

Yes you can. Transformers has been doing it since the beginning. Or are you saying that BW Megatron and G1 Megatron are the same character?

Shadowman wrote:

Ravage XK wrote:You cannot use an established name and apply it to someone new.

Yes you can. Transformers has been doing it since the beginning. Or are you saying that BW Megatron and G1 Megatron are the same character?

Hmm, I will admit that I didnt think of BW Megatron. I thought about Optimus Primal and how he was not Optimus Prime. ok, so there are exceptions to the rule but I stand by my opinion that these are supposed to be G1 characters.

Ravage XK wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

Ravage XK wrote:You cannot use an established name and apply it to someone new.

Yes you can. Transformers has been doing it since the beginning. Or are you saying that BW Megatron and G1 Megatron are the same character?

Hmm, I will admit that I didnt think of BW Megatron. I thought about Optimus Primal and how he was not Optimus Prime. ok, so there are exceptions to the rule but I stand by my opinion that these are supposed to be G1 characters.

You sure about that? I don't remember Jetfire being an old grumpy man, or Frenzy being a hyperactive ball of razor wire, or many many other changes in characters. This isn't G1. These character have the same names as G1 characters, in the same way ALL TF series reuse names, but that doesn't mean the characters are supposed to stay exactly the same.

Yup. There are too many parallels between the characters and roles they fill to say its entirely new. Why is Ravage cat like, why is Bumbleebee yellow, why is he so close to the boy? Why does Cullen voice Prime?

They are characteristics not characters.


If ravage wasnt catlike imagine the bitching that would be done, this is a 4 page thread because soundwave wasnt vocoded not to mention the other threads.


Some things are just done to appease the fans.


Movie Prime is not G1 Prime, Bumblebee and the list goes on.


They keep similarities for familiarity sake. Its like a pacifier for an infant, gotta shut em up somehow.

Robinson wrote:They keep similarities for familiarity sake. Its like a pacifier for an infant, gotta shut em up somehow.

Yeah, unfortuantely we seem to have some collicky infants for which a pacififer just isn't going to do the trick.

But good analogy...

T-Macksimus wrote:

Robinson wrote:They keep similarities for familiarity sake. Its like a pacifier for an infant, gotta shut em up somehow.

Yeah, unfortuantely we seem to have some collicky infants for which a pacififer just isn't going to do the trick.

But good analogy...

We're collicky infants now?

Or is it that you're too easily pleased? Hot chicks.... CHECK..... 'Splosions..... CHECK...... any kind of robot whatsoever..... CHECK...... crude jokes...... CHECK ...........

Anybody who ever grew up watching Soundwave will always define him with:

1. He transformed into a boom box
2. He had little minions that popped out of him
3. He was Megs right hand man
4. His voice

I mean how many times have we seen pop culture reference his voice? I've seen it a number of times on a show like Family Guy .......

We are mad because Bay is a pompous prick who shows little respect for elements of this universe that deserve it.

And for how many years has a tape deck been outdated. And since when was a sony walkman the best way to gather intelligence?

Rock Sexton wrote:1. He transformed into a boom box

Except in Cybertron when he turned into a jet, and Animated where he turned into a car.

Rock Sexton wrote:2. He had little minions that popped out of him

Except in Animated, where Ratbat and Laserbeak were his minions, but did not hide in his chest.

Rock Sexton wrote:3. He was Megs right hand man

Except in Animated and Cybertron.

Rock Sexton wrote:4. His voice

Except in Cybertron.

Rock Sexton wrote:We are mad because Bay is a pompous prick who shows little respect for elements of this universe that deserve it.

Which Universe? Hate to break it to you, but this isn't G1, and, as I've said before, characters are NOT required to be consistent across series.

Rock Sexton wrote:

T-Macksimus wrote:

Robinson wrote:They keep similarities for familiarity sake. Its like a pacifier for an infant, gotta shut em up somehow.

Yeah, unfortuantely we seem to have some collicky infants for which a pacififer just isn't going to do the trick.

But good analogy...

We're collicky infants now?

Or is it that you're too easily pleased? Hot chicks.... CHECK..... 'Splosions..... CHECK...... any kind of robot whatsoever..... CHECK...... crude jokes...... CHECK ...........

Anybody who ever grew up watching Soundwave will always define him with:

1. He transformed into a boom box
2. He had little minions that popped out of him
3. He was Megs right hand man
4. His voice

I mean how many times have we seen pop culture reference his voice? I've seen it a number of times on a show like Family Guy .......

We are mad because Bay is a pompous prick who shows little respect for elements of this universe that deserve it.

WHOA WHOA WHOA...HO-LEE_CRAP!! Back the heck off for just one damn minute! If that's how you are going to take such a broad generalization, if you are going to treat that one statement like I have attacked YOU personally, If you think I was attacking ANYONE here, you are way mistaken. You have obviously missed a lot of the posts that I have done in the last two days, you have missed or completely failed to understand the "Whys" of several of my posts and you are someone who is going to do more damage here than good. I won't even bother explaining my last post or the spirit in which it was intended (which you OBVIOUSLY didn't get) and after your reaction I am even less inclined now to make any kind of apology for it.

If anything, you just served to enforce/support my anecdotal retort rather than to embrace it good-naturedly and rise to the next level and engage in a decent dialogue, for which I would have been more than happy to partake. You have not done your fellow posters who share your same ideals any favors either for which I now have to feel sorry on their behalf even though my views differ from theirs.

Would you care to step back and try this again from a different approach because I am not going to be such a close-minded fool as to simply walk away from a second chance, whether it be on the giving or recieveing end.