ZeroWolf wrote:First-Aid wrote:D-Maximal_Primal wrote:First-Aid wrote:I don't think he is a psycho. I think he is a soldier who has been fighting in a war of pure survival for millions of years.
The issue is that people are seeing him as OUR Optimus when it isn't.
Personally, i really don't care? Having different flavors of Optimus is good. I like Animated Prime for the younger learning to lead type, but I also really like movie/Prime Optimus. And each personality fits the world that Optimus comes from.
You, sir, NAILED IT. I salute you.
Agreed, it's good that we have different takes on the character.
If there is one thing I really get annoyed with, it is "this character should act the same across all universes", and just like, no? It is OK to have different flavors of character, there are different audiences after all. Case in point: look at Bulkhead and his 4 cartoon appearances (RiD2015 and Prime obviously being the same guy): Grizzled war vet who is kinda crazy; lovable clunkhead who is clumsy but very smart in a couple very specific fields with a big heart; and construction worker great at breaking and wrecking stuff, but who also has a soft heart. All work.
And I think the Mirage that came through for RotB falls into this: this toy his toy bio and reimagined it, and couple that with the voice actor, and we had a pretty great character come out, really unlike any version before, but to me easily solo-ing any other version of the character.
Sabrblade wrote:D-Maximal_Primal wrote:but I also really like movie/Prime Optimus. And each personality fits the world that Optimus comes from.
That's true. The world of the movies is gratuitously uber-violent, so Movie Optimus is also gratuitously uber-violent. And the world of Prime is dull and lifeless, so Prime Optimus is also dull and lifeless.
And G1 Prime was a goofball who was felled by ridiculous schemes but always got out of them thanks to 80's magic until he had to actually fight a real stakes fight, where he made a crucial mistake and died easily and quickly. You're right, it is true!
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Leaving aside the matter of fatigue (one of the reasons they made this a REBOOT - diBonaventura is not a credible source, Will, and the people actually writing and directing have said it's a reboot and your efforts to twist their words otherwise aren't fooling anyone but you)...
1. Paramount prematurely putting the movie on stream and announcing "On streaming soon" around ONE WEEK IN is undoubtedly a major factor, and I'm sure exhibitors would love to have a "chat" with the Paramount higher-ups about that. In a soundproofed, windowless room.
2. Within the fandom, however, some additional blame falls on this very site. We had a full-movie spoiler synopsis up before the thing even opened. Whatever the motive, be it furthering Will's attempts at reboot-denial or simply ZOMG HOT SKEWP... it was selfish and stupid, and undoubtedly sabotaged fan attendance numbers to some degree or other; part of me wishes we'd been served a C&D over it. Thar article along with Will's increasingly deranged denial about it being a reboot... makes me want us to stop covering non-toy movie news entirely.
3. I think Will is grossly underestimating the potential of the Japanese box office performance. Takara's hype machine is doing a way better job to drum up interest than Hasbro and Paramount did, including milking the Japanese love for Beast Wars for everything it's worth.
Unfortunately, despite how idiotic he is, we do have to take at least a smidge of what DiBoneventure says seriously. This is just an X-men style thing at this point: it all sorta kinda can or cannot take place together, and if you are thinking about it, don't. (I'm not condoning it, just stating the facts here).
The quick-to-streaming schedule didn't help certainly, but maybe when they saw who they were opening against, that helped make that decision.
And unfortunately, I do agree that posting a story with the full plot was a stupid ass decision. And the way many stories were written leading up to the movie were certainly a joke in and of itself. I wouldn't say it was a huge impact, but it was an impact.