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Re: Transformers Collectors' Club Exclusives and Subscription Figures

Postby shajaki » Tue Sep 09, 2014 8:52 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:I don't see what the problem is with their making the fourth WC Seeker. Don't people like it when complete groups get made?
making it's not the bad part, it's just the whole, "there was a forth one?" part.
I still don't see what's wrong with them completing the team.
ill never have any problems with seekers. im such a seeker whore that id probably buy an MP nacelle :lol:

the thing is (for me anyways) is that theres only three WC members that ive ever seen. so theres the shadow of a fourth... since theres almost nothing to go on, im willing to ignore it. ill still buy nacelle and love it, he just wont be a fourth WC is all.
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Re: Transformers Collectors' Club Exclusives and Subscription Figures

Postby fenrir72 » Tue Sep 09, 2014 9:34 pm

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fenrir72 wrote:The trouble with the Hasbro mold of Thrust, the wing mount are so wonky that they tend to break off. The Japan mold is more tightly mounted.

Hope this mold doesn't have the same issues.


Surprise! Nacelle uses the BotCon 2007 Thrust wings, not the Gentei/Generations one. You can tell by the two prominent circles on each side:

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Left: Generations, Right: BotCon 2007



JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
fenrir72 wrote:The trouble with the Hasbro mold of Thrust, the wing mount are so wonky that they tend to break off. The Japan mold is more tightly mounted.

Hope this mold doesn't have the same issues.


Surprise! Nacelle uses the BotCon 2007 Thrust wings, not the Gentei/Generations one. You can tell by the two prominent circles on each side:

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Left: Generations, Right: BotCon 2007


Hey hey hey! That's good news then Ms. JZGR. I had the one on the left but the connecting peg broke off just by staring at it funny. I had no recourse but to get a loose but very tight Gentei version.
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Re: Transformers Collectors' Club Exclusives and Subscription Figures

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Re: Transformers Collectors' Club Exclusives and Subscription Figures

Postby Deathscythetransform » Wed Sep 10, 2014 6:40 am

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnd who is this guy anyways? never heard of him before?
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Re: Transformers Collectors' Club Exclusives and Subscription Figures

Postby Sabrblade » Wed Sep 10, 2014 6:58 am

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Deathscythetransform wrote:aaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnd who is this guy anyways? never heard of him before?
This Nacelle toy is a character whose origins are rooted in three separate sources.

First, his name comes from that of a Seeker who was in the Transformers: Exodus novel, in which he was part of a Seeker group with Bitstream and Hotlink.

Second, his deco is based on a prototype for G1 Thrust that was seen in 1980's Takara catalogs prior to Thrust's release:

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Thirdly, his identity comes from the first episode of the G1 cartoon, in which four generic Seekers attacked Wheeljack and Bumblebee en route to Iacon:

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One of these Seekers, the golden one, would later be given his own name and identity as Sunstorm years later. And then BotCon 2013 would make a set of exclusives based on three of these four Seekers, in which Sunstorm was included and the other two were given the names "Bitstream" and "Hotlink", named after two of the Seekers from Exodus.

With the fourth Seeker way in the background not yet given a toy, and with two of the three Exodus Seekers given G1 counterparts, the Club saw fit to create a figure that would both complete the Exodus-named Seeker trio and complete the four-Seeker "Welcoming Committee" (as Wheeljack called them). but rather than make just another ordinary-looking Seeker, the Club decided to make this one special by modeling its deco after the very pretty proto-Thrust deco, which happened to have a blue Seeker body like that fourth background Seeker.

And, let's face it, the deco of that fourth Seeker as it was wouldn't have nearly been as pretty. Compare (second one from the left):
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But, as for the differences in his appearance as this toy from his brief cartoon appearance, his bio refers to him having undergone some cosmetic changes after the Nemesis left Cybertron.
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Re: Transformers Collectors' Club Exclusives and Subscription Figures

Postby shockblast2 » Wed Sep 10, 2014 8:38 am

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LOL... this is just getting stupid now. This here is a fine example of how Hasbro can take ANY TF mold, slap a variant color on it, give it some stupid name, and sell it to ignorant people for $80 for a toy that cost them about .50 to make.
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Re: Transformers Collectors' Club Exclusives and Subscription Figures

Postby mooncake623 » Wed Sep 10, 2014 8:53 am

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Sabrblade wrote:
Deathscythetransform wrote:aaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnd who is this guy anyways? never heard of him before?
This Nacelle toy is a character whose origins are rooted in three separate sources.

First, his name comes from that of a Seeker who was in the Transformers: Exodus novel, in which he was part of a Seeker group with Bitstream and Hotlink.

Second, his deco is based on a prototype for G1 Thrust that was seen in 1980's Takara catalogs prior to Thrust's release:

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Thirdly, his identity comes from the first episode of the G1 cartoon, in which four generic Seekers attacked Wheeljack and Bumblebee en route to Iacon:

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One of these Seekers, the golden one, would later be given his own name and identity as Sunstorm years later. And then BotCon 2013 would make a set of exclusives based on three of these four Seekers, in which Sunstorm was included and the other two were given the names "Bitstream" and "Hotlink", named after two of the Seekers from Exodus.

With the fourth Seeker way in the background not yet given a toy, and with two of the three Exodus Seekers given G1 counterparts, the Club saw fit to create a figure that would both complete the Exodus-named Seeker trio and complete the four-Seeker "Welcoming Committee" (as Wheeljack called them). but rather than make just another ordinary-looking Seeker, the Club decided to make this one special by modeling its deco after the very pretty proto-Thrust deco, which happened to have a blue Seeker body like that fourth background Seeker.

And, let's face it, the deco of that fourth Seeker as it was wouldn't have nearly been as pretty. Compare (second one from the left):
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But, as for the differences in his appearance as this toy from his brief cartoon appearance, his bio refers to him having undergone some cosmetic changes after the Nemesis left Cybertron.



Nice if you didn't mention it I had no idea there was a forth seeker in the background of that scene, he blended so well with the background.
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Re: Transformers Collectors' Club Exclusives and Subscription Figures

Postby Powered Convoy » Wed Sep 10, 2014 9:27 am

Nacelle is very cool.

The bio works well in connecting him to his origins.

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Re: Transformers Collectors' Club Exclusives and Subscription Figures

Postby megatronus » Wed Sep 10, 2014 10:01 am

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shockblast2 wrote:LOL... this is just getting stupid now. This here is a fine example of how Hasbro can take ANY TF mold, slap a variant color on it, give it some stupid name, and sell it to ignorant people for $80 for a toy that cost them about .50 to make.

1. This is the Club, not Hasbro.
2. Puh-lease. Because you obviously know what it costs to make these.

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Re: Transformers Collectors' Club Exclusives and Subscription Figures

Postby Deadput » Wed Sep 10, 2014 2:48 pm

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shockblast2 wrote:LOL... this is just getting stupid now. This here is a fine example of how Hasbro can take ANY TF mold, slap a variant color on it, give it some stupid name, and sell it to ignorant people for $80 for a toy that cost them about .50 to make.




So club is Hasbro now?

How do you know how much it takes to make a transformer

Plus no one want's to buy Prime or Bumblebee all the time and would like to buy new characters


shocking i know



And who the hell gave you the right to call people ignorant for having a different opinion?


They can do what they like as it should not concern you.


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Re: Transformers Collectors' Club Exclusives and Subscription Figures

Postby shockblast2 » Wed Sep 10, 2014 3:07 pm

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shockblast2 wrote:LOL... this is just getting stupid now. This here is a fine example of how Hasbro can take ANY TF mold, slap a variant color on it, give it some stupid name, and sell it to ignorant people for $80 for a toy that cost them about .50 to make.

1. This is the Club, not Hasbro.
2. Puh-lease. Because you obviously know what it costs to make these.

:roll:



1. The club is OWNED by Hasbro as THEY decide what "exclusives (tokens of highway robbery)" gets sold through the collectors club.

2. Yeah, actually I do.
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Re: Transformers Collectors' Club Exclusives and Subscription Figures

Postby shockblast2 » Wed Sep 10, 2014 3:10 pm

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shockblast2 wrote:


And who the hell gave you the right to call people ignorant for having a different opinion?


They can do what they like as it should not concern you.


Grow up and get outside.



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Re: Transformers Collectors' Club Exclusives and Subscription Figures

Postby megatronus » Wed Sep 10, 2014 3:21 pm

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megatronus wrote:
shockblast2 wrote:LOL... this is just getting stupid now. This here is a fine example of how Hasbro can take ANY TF mold, slap a variant color on it, give it some stupid name, and sell it to ignorant people for $80 for a toy that cost them about .50 to make.

1. This is the Club, not Hasbro.
2. Puh-lease. Because you obviously know what it costs to make these.

:roll:



1. The club is OWNED by Hasbro as THEY decide what "exclusives (tokens of highway robbery)" gets sold through the collectors club.

2. Yeah, actually I do.

The Club is NOT owned by Hasbro. FunPub has a license from Hasbro. So, you know... you're wrong.

By all means, back up your completely unsubstantiated knowledge.
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Re: Transformers Collectors' Club Exclusives and Subscription Figures

Postby Jelze Bunnycat » Wed Sep 10, 2014 3:22 pm

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shockblast2 wrote:
megatronus wrote:
shockblast2 wrote:LOL... this is just getting stupid now. This here is a fine example of how Hasbro can take ANY TF mold, slap a variant color on it, give it some stupid name, and sell it to ignorant people for $80 for a toy that cost them about .50 to make.

1. This is the Club, not Hasbro.
2. Puh-lease. Because you obviously know what it costs to make these.

:roll:



1. The club is OWNED by Hasbro as THEY decide what "exclusives (tokens of highway robbery)" gets sold through the collectors club.

2. Yeah, actually I do.


1. The Club is a licensee of Hasbro, and as such not directly owned by Hasbro. What you claim is happening actually happens in reverse: the Club solicits exclusive and asks for Hasbro's approval and permission to use their mold library.

2. Then could you provide concrete proof in the form of invoices and such? Be sure to include:

- Research & Development, even for mere redecos.
- Material Costs
- Human Resources, including wages
- Packaging Costs
- Transporting Costs

What? I'm curious :oops:
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Re: Transformers Collectors' Club Exclusives and Subscription Figures

Postby shockblast2 » Wed Sep 10, 2014 4:13 pm

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JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
shockblast2 wrote:
megatronus wrote:
shockblast2 wrote:LOL... this is just getting stupid now. This here is a fine example of how Hasbro can take ANY TF mold, slap a variant color on it, give it some stupid name, and sell it to ignorant people for $80 for a toy that cost them about .50 to make.

1. This is the Club, not Hasbro.
2. Puh-lease. Because you obviously know what it costs to make these.

:roll:



1. The club is OWNED by Hasbro as THEY decide what "exclusives (tokens of highway robbery)" gets sold through the collectors club.

2. Yeah, actually I do.


1. The Club is a licensee of Hasbro, and as such not directly owned by Hasbro. What you claim is happening actually happens in reverse: the Club solicits exclusive and asks for Hasbro's approval and permission to use their mold library.

2. Then could you provide concrete proof in the form of invoices and such? Be sure to include:

- Research & Development, even for mere redecos.
- Material Costs
- Human Resources, including wages
- Packaging Costs
- Transporting Costs

What? I'm curious :oops:



LOL, owned as in slaved. The CC exists solely to exploit the most rabid of fanboys. Of course they do not legally own it. It is an exclusive license given to an independent company. Meaning you cannot have one. It is a joke and again, only exists for suckers to give them enormous amounts of cash for nothing but a silly repaint.

R&D LOL.....you are joking, right?

Material costs, .81 cents a POUND for prime, .54 for regrind. This blended piece of **** has about 5 oz of resin in it. Do the math.

Wages? LOL! Are you f'in kidding me? About $2 a day for 1000 units.

Packaging costs..... Have you ever ordered from this club? The plain small white box and bag cost about ten cents. If that.

Transportation? the slow boat from China? Well, we spend about $30K for a ten ton mold, so I would say about $400 for 1000 of them.

Invoices? Invoices are company property. You don't have the right to look at them. But, your friendly neighborhood accountant does. Believe me or not. What do I care? I am not the sucker shelling out $80 for this crap.
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Re: Transformers Collectors' Club Exclusives and Subscription Figures

Postby NuclearConvoy » Wed Sep 10, 2014 4:21 pm

Just out of curiosity, as I haven't been a member of the club since the initial combiner figure was completed, is it worth the cost these days? Are the magazines any better than they used to be?/ Are these subscription toys worth nearly 300$? Canadian members have any problems with receiving items?
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Re: Transformers Collectors' Club Exclusives and Subscription Figures

Postby Blurrz » Wed Sep 10, 2014 5:29 pm

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NuclearConvoy wrote:Just out of curiosity, as I haven't been a member of the club since the initial combiner figure was completed, is it worth the cost these days? Are the magazines any better than they used to be?/ Are these subscription toys worth nearly 300$? Canadian members have any problems with receiving items?


Yeah, **** takes forever to cross the border.
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Re: Transformers Collectors' Club Exclusives and Subscription Figures

Postby shajaki » Wed Sep 10, 2014 6:02 pm

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Re: Transformers Collectors' Club Exclusives and Subscription Figures

Postby Deadput » Wed Sep 10, 2014 6:44 pm

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shockblast2 wrote:
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
shockblast2 wrote:
megatronus wrote:
shockblast2 wrote:LOL... this is just getting stupid now. This here is a fine example of how Hasbro can take ANY TF mold, slap a variant color on it, give it some stupid name, and sell it to ignorant people for $80 for a toy that cost them about .50 to make.

1. This is the Club, not Hasbro.
2. Puh-lease. Because you obviously know what it costs to make these.

:roll:



1. The club is OWNED by Hasbro as THEY decide what "exclusives (tokens of highway robbery)" gets sold through the collectors club.

2. Yeah, actually I do.


1. The Club is a licensee of Hasbro, and as such not directly owned by Hasbro. What you claim is happening actually happens in reverse: the Club solicits exclusive and asks for Hasbro's approval and permission to use their mold library.

2. Then could you provide concrete proof in the form of invoices and such? Be sure to include:

- Research & Development, even for mere redecos.
- Material Costs
- Human Resources, including wages
- Packaging Costs
- Transporting Costs

What? I'm curious :oops:



LOL, owned as in slaved. The CC exists solely to exploit the most rabid of fanboys. Of course they do not legally own it. It is an exclusive license given to an independent company. Meaning you cannot have one. It is a joke and again, only exists for suckers to give them enormous amounts of cash for nothing but a silly repaint.

R&D LOL.....you are joking, right?

Material costs, .81 cents a POUND for prime, .54 for regrind. This blended piece of **** has about 5 oz of resin in it. Do the math.

Wages? LOL! Are you f'in kidding me? About $2 a day for 1000 units.

Packaging costs..... Have you ever ordered from this club? The plain small white box and bag cost about ten cents. If that.

Transportation? the slow boat from China? Well, we spend about $30K for a ten ton mold, so I would say about $400 for 1000 of them.

Invoices? Invoices are company property. You don't have the right to look at them. But, your friendly neighborhood accountant does. Believe me or not. What do I care? I am not the sucker shelling out $80 for this crap.





Can you stop please



Just because people buy something your not going to does not mean they are ignorant



Just shut up if your spewing crap like this and this is not the first time i have seen your crap comments here and it sickens me very much so.


I can't make intelligent comments but really your just absolutely immature.


How are you not banned?
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Re: Transformers Collectors' Club Exclusives and Subscription Figures

Postby Burn » Wed Sep 10, 2014 9:26 pm

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Alright guys knock if off.

Kindly get this thread back on topic.
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Re: Transformers Collectors' Club Exclusives and Subscription Figures

Postby gothsaurus » Thu Sep 11, 2014 8:23 am

Thanks, Burn. Regulate!
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Re: Transformers Collectors' Club Exclusives and Subscription Figures

Postby Deadput » Thu Sep 11, 2014 12:21 pm

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Burn wrote:Alright guys knock if off.

Kindly get this thread back on topic.




Ok Burn thank you for stepping in and I'm sorry for taking part of the argument.
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Re: Transformers Collectors' Club Exclusives and Subscription Figures

Postby Flashwave » Thu Sep 11, 2014 2:02 pm

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NuclearConvoy wrote:Just out of curiosity, as I haven't been a member of the club since the initial combiner figure was completed, is it worth the cost these days? Are the magazines any better than they used to be?/ Are these subscription toys worth nearly 300$? Canadian members have any problems with receiving items?

Ultimately, the asnwer's going to be entirely up to you. See the above heated discussion. Personal opinion:

1)is the membership worth it? I dunno, maybe. For 42 bucks, if you like the "incentive" figure, buy it. Get it. The comics are live or die. I enjoy them, but they don't stick with me like anything IDW does, and they aren't really synced to the club figures anymore. Its a double-edged sword for me, because I LIKE that the sub figures don't have to be tied to a specific continuity, but at the same time, I wound kinda like to see a story for Scourge, or Slipstream, and some build-up for Barricade and Ironfist.

2)Are the figures worth the 300I have been wrestling with this, as funds for me are tight. Ultmately if you like 3 of the fugures, you're gonna spend almost that much through TFSource/BBTS/any of Seibertron's sponsors anyway. Nist if them are going for 60 or 80 bucks, the three payment system is 97 for 2 figures, with a micron or a Kreo set that are rare things on their own. ultimately, it works out to be 49 dollars a figure. for a Deluxe, that's 4times the mass release price, bu remember that mold ocsts and exclusivity aside, this si stll gonna be a production run that is less than 1/4th the number. To miy eyes the price is Justified. Is it worth it? I think so, but it's up to you.

Sorry, Burn, if I repleaced one can of worms for another.

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Re: Transformers Collectors' Club Exclusives and Subscription Figures

Postby Flashwave » Thu Sep 11, 2014 2:02 pm

Motto: "Our society's downfall will not be this war. The war IS our society. That which will get us will be the little things. Some humanoid race, some tossed cannon, the little things that no one looks out for. THAT is for what we must be vigilant."
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NuclearConvoy wrote:Just out of curiosity, as I haven't been a member of the club since the initial combiner figure was completed, is it worth the cost these days? Are the magazines any better than they used to be?/ Are these subscription toys worth nearly 300$? Canadian members have any problems with receiving items?

Ultimately, the asnwer's going to be entirely up to you. See the above heated discussion. Personal opinion:

1)is the membership worth it? I dunno, maybe. For 42 bucks, if you like the "incentive" figure, buy it. Get it. The comics are live or die. I enjoy them, but they don't stick with me like anything IDW does, and they aren't really synced to the club figures anymore. Its a double-edged sword for me, because I LIKE that the sub figures don't have to be tied to a specific continuity, but at the same time, I wound kinda like to see a story for Scourge, or Slipstream, and some build-up for Barricade and Ironfist.

2)Are the figures worth the 300I have been wrestling with this, as funds for me are tight. Ultmately if you like 3 of the fugures, you're gonna spend almost that much through TFSource/BBTS/any of Seibertron's sponsors anyway. Nist if them are going for 60 or 80 bucks, the three payment system is 97 for 2 figures, with a micron or a Kreo set that are rare things on their own. ultimately, it works out to be 49 dollars a figure. for a Deluxe, that's 4times the mass release price, bu remember that mold ocsts and exclusivity aside, this si stll gonna be a production run that is less than 1/4th the number. To miy eyes the price is Justified. Is it worth it? I think so, but it's up to you.

Sorry, Burn, if I repleaced one can of worms for another.

Now, y original reason for posting: Any signs of Chromedome yet? He should be here soon.
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Re: Transformers Collectors' Club Exclusives and Subscription Figures

Postby gothsaurus » Thu Sep 11, 2014 4:21 pm

I agree with Flashwave.

Really, it's boiling down to $40-$50 for a collector's exclusive figure (often with a paired minicon, targetmaster, kreo, etc.) Knowing the labor costs, printing, complexity of our figures (VS a star wars or GI Joe figure that is built from sometimes 5 or 6 pieces)... It's really not bad.

Plus one thing people often forget, club members get a discount on Botcon ... the exact price of membership. If you're going to the con, membership comes out to... free. (figure and comic)

Bottom line, best way to get a good value is to buy a set and the sell off the ones you don't want to help fund those you like. OR if you have the dough, buy a second set (same for Botcon) and use the profit to pay for your own set. You can also team up with a friend to split a set. Lots of ways to make it happen if you really want them.

It is unfortunate that it means stepping outside of the realm of 'kids toys' to a collector's market. Some of the best characters and sets aren't cheap or readily available, especially older ones. (Makes me happy they are revisiting some old characters.)

I'd also agree regarding the comic. The more it can tie in with the toy exclusives — Botcon, TFCC and TFSS — the better.

The comic can get a little bogged down... and focused on its own minutia (like over-emphasizing the various timelines, nexus this, number that...)... but I have enjoyed it a lot. I think keeping focused on good story and characters is the key. I thought the recent Botcon comic did a decent job of that, and I loved the playful anime-style bits and art in general. Art has improved a lot. I also enjoy the back page profusely. Props to Recordicons (and Lil Formers when it has shown up).

I also have really enjoyed the fiction. Hope that comes back soon.
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