The Energon Pub

[Cobotron]

BTW: CW Smokescreen will be a good figure for what he is. that is a good mold

And so will CW Hound.

[Wolfman Jake]

Edit: went looking. WAIT! That is a different mold. so the one you showed is BH Prime ya? Is the AM SS a repaint of Knockout?

Yep, Arms Micron Smokescreen was a repaint of Arms Micron Knock Out with a new head sculpt. Since you're such a devoted Bluestreak fan, I'll give you a treat, Lobotron. Check out my custom painted and stickered Transformers Adventure Bloody Knock Out as "Aligned" Bluestreak! I think he works quite well, if I do say so myself.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

BTW: CW Smokescreen will be a good figure for what he is. that is a good mold

And so will CW Hound.

YES! He will become my Lost Light commander!

[william-james88]

So 2 Datsuns:

Bluestreak always gets the shaft!

Except for Hasbro Masterpieces!

[Cobotron]

A bunch of stuff that was amazing, correct, and right up my ally!

Thank you good sir. thanks for sharing. I remember you talking about this. I also remember agreeing with you after having the same thought. Did you do a head swap? The paint looks outstanding. And, do tell, what is he standing on? SDCC Dinobox, or something custom?

Quick story. I just received a box from a buddy who went to Tokyo. I gave him a list and Bloody KO was on it. He did not make it into my friends shopping cart. I will now explore other means of acquisition.

Except for Hasbro Masterpieces!

Great point! Thank the maker for MPs.

[Hellscream9999]

A bunch of stuff that was amazing, correct, and right up my ally!

Thank you good sir. thanks for sharing. I remember you talking about this. I also remember agreeing with you after having the same thought. Did you do a head swap? The paint looks outstanding. And, do tell, what is he standing on? SDCC Dinobox, or something custom?

Quick story. I just received a box from a buddy who went to Tokyo. I gave him a list and Bloody KO was on it. He did not make it into my friends shopping cart. I will now explore other means of acquisition.

Except for Hasbro Masterpieces!

Great point! Thank the maker for MPs.

Bloody KO is in stock at bbts...

[william-james88]

Bloody KO is in stock at bbts...

He's cheaper here plus with some free shipping.
http://www.amazon.com/Tommy-Hilfiger-Transformers-Bloody-knockout/dp/B00SKKRMDA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1440394956&sr=8-1&keywords=bloody+knock+out
BBTS actually sells them for the most online (in the primary market) so I would see them as a final resort for all things TAV. They should realy step up their game in terms of prices, no wonder they still have so much stock.

[Hellscream9999]

Bloody KO is in stock at bbts...

He's cheaper here plus with some free shipping.
http://www.amazon.com/Tommy-Hilfiger-Transformers-Bloody-knockout/dp/B00SKKRMDA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1440394956&sr=8-1&keywords=bloody+knock+out
BBTS actually sells them for the most online (in the primary market) so I would see them as a final resort for all things TAV. They should realy step up their game in terms of prices, no wonder they still have so much stock.

Just offering; and Runabout (has anyone gotten thiers yet?) is actually cheaper through them than tfscource (not sure what that means, but...)


And has anyone noticed how many cw megatrons are lingering around online (hts...)

[fenrir72]

At the local TRU I found the latest combiner limbs. Sunstreaker, Ironhide and Mitage. No new "white" Optimus or Prowl. If I have any complaints, it's the materials used on the yellow of Sunstreaker.....kind of meh blah dirty yellow. Kind of a slap on the egotist's facade if you ask me.

Are you sure it wasn't painted on? That's what yielded that 'fake' look of breakdowns combiner hand. And if you think that's bad, my streetwise's legs and arms are a mix of white and cream in random parts

Based on how the plastic looked like in the blister pack, it's the molded plastic

[Wolfman Jake]

A bunch of stuff that was amazing, correct, and right up my ally!

Thank you good sir. thanks for sharing. I remember you talking about this. I also remember agreeing with you after having the same thought. Did you do a head swap? The paint looks outstanding. And, do tell, what is he standing on? SDCC Dinobox, or something custom?

I didn't head swap. All I did was paint the entire helmet, except for the red crest on his forehead, with a silver Sharpie. I also dismantled the head to get at the light piping pieces and take the red paint off the eyes. Soaking them in isopropyl alcohol did the trick. I haven't repainted them yet, but the clear smoky plastic color works for now. The Autobot logo on the chest is from the Ocean, Inc. officially licensed stickers that came out in the past year or so. You have to cut them out of the sheet yourself, unfortunately. You can see a bit of clear plastic around the white outline of the insignia that resulted from a not so great cutting job on my part (I got better with practice). Since Takara already used the mold as one of the Datsun brothers, I figure it's fair game to do so again. I don't mind using Knock Out's head either, as all three Datsuns had different heads in the G1 cartoon. And yes, that is indeed the pop-up Ark from the SDCC 2014 Dinobot set.

[william-james88]

Bloody KO is in stock at bbts...

He's cheaper here plus with some free shipping.
http://www.amazon.com/Tommy-Hilfiger-Transformers-Bloody-knockout/dp/B00SKKRMDA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1440394956&sr=8-1&keywords=bloody+knock+out
BBTS actually sells them for the most online (in the primary market) so I would see them as a final resort for all things TAV. They should realy step up their game in terms of prices, no wonder they still have so much stock.

Just offering; and Runabout (has anyone gotten thiers yet?) is actually cheaper through them than tfscource (not sure what that means, but...)


And has anyone noticed how many cw megatrons are lingering around online (hts...)

My apologies, I didnt mean to talk down on your post, I welcome your help. I just wanted to give cobotron and you a cheaper link if you were interested. And wow, you are right TFSource is pricier. Guess I was wrong.

[peaces]

with leader class approaching the price of mp's these days. there's no reason not to collect mp's. they are outstanding.

[RAR]

I only have 4 of them plus the gold fake Lambor.
Should I be more Interested in them - perhaps, but am I; nope.
I'd rather buy 3rd party or other Hasbro/Takara toys before them so they keep being put on the back burner - the only real reason is I found them to time consuming to Transform and I like to play with my toys.
Though 3rd party toys suffer the same issue I like the look of a lot of them and the things they do. Perhaps I just don't have a great emotional attachment to early G1.

But for whatever reason I tend to gravitate towards "Classic" themed Official toys and Masters & Combiner related 3rd party over Masterpiece toys at this point. I suspect as I know the'd just sit on a shelf and not do anything. It might have something to do with the fact that the ones I do have are some of the less good ones like MP-03-Green, I'm horribly lazy as I really don't have a good reason to at least by the KO's, but I'm more likely to play at gap filling with Alternators and Binaltech and Alternity, United, & Animated it seems so they just keep getting put lower and lower down the list.

[william-james88]

with leader class approaching the price of mp's these days. there's no reason not to collect mp's. they are outstanding.

WHAT?! Dude, what are you smoking.

Leader Magnus costs 55$ while MP Magnus costs 200$. The ONLY MP similar in price is the seeker mold but that is just because of the recent Hasbro price at TRU for Starscream. How much was Skywarp last year? 200$? Yeah, a far cry from whatever Leader Skywarp will cost.

And plus, both those seekers (Leader CW and MP) are different styles. MP is G1 while CW is modern comics. Different styles for different purposes.

[RAR]

Generations toys are often a different scale to Masterpiece (more or less depending on what you think of Combiner Wars Megatron). The reason I prioritise the Modern standard type toys over MP is that MP though now a substantial line is less products per year so there is less to focus on. and the "Generations" toys are more in keeping with the established product sizes of the last couple of decades.

I understand why the MP's are great for someone looking for a representation of the characters - especially if you don't play with them much - but to me they don't suit me as well. Not that I dislike them they just go on the back burner is all.

[Hellscream9999]

Generations toys are often a different scale to Masterpiece (more or less depending on what you think of Combiner Wars Megatron). The reason I prioritise the Modern standard type toys over MP is that MP though now a substantial line is less products per year so there is less to focus on. and the "Generations" toys are more in keeping with the established product sizes of the last couple of decades.

I understand why the MP's are great for someone looking for a representation of the characters - especially if you don't play with them much - but to me they don't suit me as well. Not that I dislike them they just go on the back burner is all.

Dude, trust me, it's totally chill to not want the masterpiece line due to the G1 aesthetic. I'm not a big fan of it myself, so I never bothered. The only one's I would've gone in on would've been the soundwave/cassette pack and acidstorm.

I much preferred the classics/universe updated aesthetic, and started shying away when the line became too G1 for me.

[Hellscream9999]

with leader class approaching the price of mp's these days. there's no reason not to collect mp's. they are outstanding.

WHAT?! Dude, what are you smoking.

Leader Magnus costs 55$ while MP Magnus costs 200$. The ONLY MP similar in price is the seeker mold but that is just because of the recent Hasbro price at TRU for Starscream. How much was Skywarp last year? 200$? Yeah, a far cry from whatever Leader Skywarp will cost.

And plus, both those seekers (Leader CW and MP) are different styles. MP is G1 while CW is modern comics. Different styles for different purposes.

Well that skywarp was a very limited release, not sure why, but he was (cuz time hasn't shown that we want skywarp more than his brethren or something )

And to be fair, at my TRU you can basically get a cw leader for the near the same price as a mp datsun bro, so he has the approximation of a point.

[Hellscream9999]

Bloody KO is in stock at bbts...

He's cheaper here plus with some free shipping.
http://www.amazon.com/Tommy-Hilfiger-Transformers-Bloody-knockout/dp/B00SKKRMDA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1440394956&sr=8-1&keywords=bloody+knock+out
BBTS actually sells them for the most online (in the primary market) so I would see them as a final resort for all things TAV. They should realy step up their game in terms of prices, no wonder they still have so much stock.

Just offering; and Runabout (has anyone gotten thiers yet?) is actually cheaper through them than tfscource (not sure what that means, but...)


And has anyone noticed how many cw megatrons are lingering around online (hts...)

My apologies, I didnt mean to talk down on your post, I welcome your help. I just wanted to give cobotron and you a cheaper link if you were interested. And wow, you are right TFSource is pricier. Guess I was wrong.

Naw, it's cool, I use bbts, but they have some lower-priced things than tfsource and vice versa, so it all equals out, if you're willing to research.

I do appreciate the link, and do realize that there is a host of places cheaper than bbts (tfsource exclusively selling tf merchandise, has to mark there products down, bbts doesn't necessarily have to)

[william-james88]

And to be fair, at my TRU you can basically get a cw leader for the near the same price as a mp datsun bro, so he has the approximation of a point.

No he doesnt and you confirm it yourself in your reply. A CW Leader is much bigger than a Datsun which is voyager size. You are comparing 2 different size classes. Thats like saying, well MP Bumblebee G2 is the same price as Leader Megs on BBTS so why dont we all get it instead. You have to be fair here.The only fair comparison is Leader Starscream and MP Starscream because they are the same scale. BUT for the MP option to work, you would need to be able to buy ALL seekers at the same price, which is not the case.

[Hellscream9999]

And to be fair, at my TRU you can basically get a cw leader for the near the same price as a mp datsun bro, so he has the approximation of a point.

No he doesnt and you confirm it yourself in your reply. A CW Leader is much bigger than a Datsun which is voyager size. You are comparing 2 different size classes. Thats like saying, well MP Bumblebee G2 is the same price as Leader Megs on BBTS so why dont we all get it instead. You have to be fair here.The only fair comparison is Leader Starscream and MP Starscream because they are the same scale. BUT for the MP option to work, you would need to be able to buy ALL seekers at the same price, which is not the case.

That's not fair, I can only buy what hasbro decides to release, if we're not talking online shopping



I want a MP skyawrp

[william-james88]

And to be fair, at my TRU you can basically get a cw leader for the near the same price as a mp datsun bro, so he has the approximation of a point.

No he doesnt and you confirm it yourself in your reply. A CW Leader is much bigger than a Datsun which is voyager size. You are comparing 2 different size classes. Thats like saying, well MP Bumblebee G2 is the same price as Leader Megs on BBTS so why dont we all get it instead. You have to be fair here.The only fair comparison is Leader Starscream and MP Starscream because they are the same scale. BUT for the MP option to work, you would need to be able to buy ALL seekers at the same price, which is not the case.

That's not fair, I can only buy what hasbro decides to release, if we're not talking online shopping

I want a MP skyawrp

Why isnt it fair, you mention BBTS all the time. I understand preferring to find an item in store since that is also where we might get an extra discount (though there are cases where you can get heavily discounted online products like Fortress Maximus and never get a deal on a local toy like CW Leader Megs). BUT the initial argument was that all other toys are useless since the MP one is available at the same price. It was written as a blanket statement and it is just plain wrong on multiple levels. MPs in general are a niche product which is sometimes online only for the states (which TRU was going to do with Bluestreak) so taking online out of the argument doesnt make any sense.

[william-james88]

This review of Ironhide is making me rethink things: http://bwtf.com/toyreviews/generations/combinerwars/ironhide

Ironhide is one of my favorites out of this set. Sure he's a redeco/retool, but he's a really awesome redeco/retool. I love the colors used and the nods to G1 Ironhide. Some people may scoff at buying a retool/redeco, but in this case it's worth it. Recommended!

And while it doesnt scream ironhide, that is an awesome headsculpt in its own right:


Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Ironhide Gallery

[Hellscream9999]

BUT the initial argument was that all other toys are useless since the MP one is available at the same price. It was written as a blanket statement and it is just plain wrong on multiple levels. MPs in general are a niche product which is sometimes online only for the states (which TRU was going to do with Bluestreak) so taking online out of the argument doesnt make any sense.

Oh, yeah, that, that's total bs; thought he was talking about which was better value for money at TRU

[SW's SilverHammer]

Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Ironhide Gallery

Yeah, it screams AAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRNNNN HAAHHHHHHD

[william-james88]

BUT the initial argument was that all other toys are useless since the MP one is available at the same price. It was written as a blanket statement and it is just plain wrong on multiple levels. MPs in general are a niche product which is sometimes online only for the states (which TRU was going to do with Bluestreak) so taking online out of the argument doesnt make any sense.

Oh, yeah, that, that's total bs; thought he was talking about which was better value for money at TRU

No worries, just glad we are all on the same page. But you know, I do have major issues with the MP seeker and I dont know if I am alone. That may give you "more toy" but I find the Leader more fun to play with and transform and I think both modes look incredible. I will discuss more in he MP Ironhide thread since I think people are starting to get double standards for MPs.