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[Sabrblade]

Though, with all the critiques about Alpha Bravo replacing Slingshot, I'm pondering how folks would feel towards Prowlastator.

Prowlastator is pre-existing in the comics and Prowl himself is a "classic" character, so the situations are a little different.

Wary Geewunner: "Oh, but, Prowl is not a Constructicon! What is he doing combining with them?! He can't do that! Constructicons don't combine with Prowl in G1! They're not even the same faction! Where's Scrapper?! Why is Hook forming the leg?! That's Scrapper's job! Hook NEEDS to be the body! But that Autobot Prowl is infesting MY Decepticon combiner! This is madness, I say! MADNESS!!!"

[shajaki]

taking scale in consideration...

why take scale into consideration? hasbro doesnt

[jogunwarrior]

The figure looks really good in both modes. I'd like to see some pics of him along side some currently released Deluxe figures, so I can get a better sense of the scale because in the pictures he looks kind of small to me...but again, I have no real sense of scale.

At first I wasn't excited about the figure not being Slingshot, and I am not a fan of the name Alpha Bravo. However, seeing more of the figure in these shots changes my opinion and I am okay with it not being Slingshot.

[Gallifreyan Autobot]

Though, with all the critiques about Alpha Bravo replacing Slingshot, I'm pondering how folks would feel towards Prowlastator.

Prowlastator is pre-existing in the comics and Prowl himself is a "classic" character, so the situations are a little different.

Wary Geewunner: "Oh, but, Prowl is not a Constructicon! What is he doing combining with them?! He can't do that! Constructicons don't combine with Prowl in G1! They're not even the same faction! Where's Scrapper?! Why is Hook forming the leg?! That's Scrapper's job! Hook NEEDS to be the body! But that Autobot Prowl is infesting MY Decepticon combiner! This is madness, I say! MADNESS!!!"

thoughts on Prowlastator : where is my wallet?
what would it look like : pure awesomeness

too bad it couldn't be a Retool/ Redeco of RiD LandFill with some new parts and a interchangeable head or new component where Prowl would attach to the torso forming the head and chest

[gothsaurus]

Prowl being a part of Devastator is only cool in that something-that-happened-in-one-episode kinda way... like in Scramble City cartoon where one combiner grabbed another team member to make him be a leg.

For an actual toy, it's a terrible idea (unless it's just an OPTIONAL way to combine. I'd be glad to see the functionality added in this way as a nod to IDW if all six original cons are available.)

BUT —in my opinion — it looks out of place, it's the wrong faction, Prowl has historically not been a combiner, it's contrary 30+ years of canon, and it smacks of a bad fan-fiction... drummed up deliberately to be controversial like some low-brow reality show.

(That said, as much as I've disagreed with the writing in Robots in Disguise, I've loved it in MTMTE and all the mini-series.)

Just my personal opinion. Of course I'm glad some of you like this storyline. It's a diverse multiverse, and I'm not bashing anyone. Just stating my own views and distaste at what I felt like was a weird choice that stepped on a lot of toes.

[Va'al]

Wasn't there an idea on having Prowlestator as the first release option, and a secondary release of an additional 'green' Constructicon for more classically versed buyers?

Am I projecting my own thoughts into the rumour mill..?

[SW's SilverHammer]

Wasn't there an idea on having Prowlestator as the first release option, and a secondary release of an additional 'green' Constructicon for more classically versed buyers?

Am I projecting my own thoughts into the rumour mill..?

Isn't that what you and Scotty p sugested to John Barber when he was on the twincast for the 100th episode?

[Va'al]

...that may be it.

[Gallifreyan Autobot]

Prowl being a part of Devastator is only cool in that something-that-happened-in-one-episode kinda way... like in Scramble City cartoon where one combiner grabbed another team member to make him be a leg.

For an actual toy, it's a terrible idea (unless it's just an OPTIONAL way to combine. I'd be glad to see the functionality added in this way as a nod to IDW if all six original cons are available.)

BUT —in my opinion - it looks out of place, it's the wrong faction, Prowl has historically not been a combiner, it's contrary 30+ years of canon, and it smacks of a bad fan-fiction... drummed up deliberately to be controversial like some low-brow reality show.

(That said, as much as I've disagreed with the writing in Robots in Disguise, I've loved it in MTMTE and all the mini-series.)

Just my personal opinion. Of course I'm glad some of you like this storyline. It's a diverse multiverse, and I'm not bashing anyone. Just stating my own views and distaste at what I felt like was a weird choice that stepped on a lot of toes.

they kind of did something similar to what you said about the switching limbs part in scramble city in that one Energon Episode where either near the end of the episode or in the middle of it one of Superion maximus's limbs was blown off by i think bruticus maximus and superion shot him and took one of his limbs as a replacement . i could be dis-remembering the same episode though correct me if i am wrong

[gothsaurus]

"Dis-remembering"... best word evaaaaar. I'm having to picture this being said in a George Bush voice. Lol.

Yeah, I think they should have played-up the mix and match aspects of combiners AND headmasters throughout the cartoon and comics. At least Japan mixed them up a bit during the Headmasters cartoon.

I also think they missed an opportunity of using Dead End as the odd limb in this first wave of CW... he was the odd limb attached to Superion in Scramble City. Either way, I'm envisioning that battle being the reason for this weird combo. Heh.

[Sabrblade]

[shockblast2]

And the geewun rage continues.....LOL

People, you must get it through your thick skulls that this ain't geewun. Slingshot and Wildrider DO NOT exist in the new generation of Transformers.

Personally, I like the change for two reasons. One, it is a brand new character. And two, watching all the geewun fans get their panties in a wad over the their "modern" geewun collection not fitting in with their ideology of what Hasbro should be producing.

Geewun died twenty years ago people. Time to move on and live in the here and now. These combiners are part of Generation Three, just like every other figure that has come out under this line, except the FOC/WFC figures.

[gothsaurus]

YES! I'd forgotten how much I loved this episode. While it's not the most amazing plot or animation, etc. Filling in the missing history, seeing the construction of Metroplex, watching the combiners fight and swap limbs, and getting an introduction to Magnus... That all makes this a really cool episode. I'd love to see an official release of it state side (with its original audio.) Or pie in the sky, it would be a great one-off to bring in Cullen and Welker et al for a DVD release. (pie in the sky, I know.)

[Sabrblade]

People, you must get it through your thick skulls that this ain't geewun. Slingshot and Wildrider DO NOT exist in the new generation of Transformers.

Sure they do. But Slingshot's dead, and we currently don't know about Wildrider's situation.

[SW's SilverHammer]

And the geewun rage continues.....LOL

People, you must get it through your thick skulls that this ain't geewun. Slingshot and Wildrider DO NOT exist in the new generation of Transformers.

Personally, I like the change for two reasons. One, it is a brand new character. And two, watching all the geewun fans get their panties in a wad over the their "modern" geewun collection not fitting in with their ideology of what Hasbro should be producing.

Geewun died twenty years ago people. Time to move on and live in the here and now. These combiners are part of Generation Three, just like every other figure that has come out under this line, except the FOC/WFC figures.

You do realize there's no Generation 3, right? This is the IDW reinterpretation/ Re-imagining of the G1 continuity; which, in my opinion, is far superior to the other interpretations of Generation one over 30 years, including Marvel G1, Sunbow G1, and Japanese G1, and Dreamwave G1.

[Sabrblade]

And the geewun rage continues.....LOL

People, you must get it through your thick skulls that this ain't geewun. Slingshot and Wildrider DO NOT exist in the new generation of Transformers.

Personally, I like the change for two reasons. One, it is a brand new character. And two, watching all the geewun fans get their panties in a wad over the their "modern" geewun collection not fitting in with their ideology of what Hasbro should be producing.

Geewun died twenty years ago people. Time to move on and live in the here and now. These combiners are part of Generation Three, just like every other figure that has come out under this line, except the FOC/WFC figures.

You do realize there's no Generation 3, right? This is the IDW reinterpretation/ Re-imagining of the G1 continuity; which, in my opinion, is far superior to the other interpretations of Generation one over 30 years, including Marvel G1, Sunbow G1, and Japanese G1, and Dreamwave G1.

Currently, though, since it was a mixed bag prior to James Roberts and John Barber taking the helm of things.

[SW's SilverHammer]

And the geewun rage continues.....LOL

People, you must get it through your thick skulls that this ain't geewun. Slingshot and Wildrider DO NOT exist in the new generation of Transformers.

Personally, I like the change for two reasons. One, it is a brand new character. And two, watching all the geewun fans get their panties in a wad over the their "modern" geewun collection not fitting in with their ideology of what Hasbro should be producing.

Geewun died twenty years ago people. Time to move on and live in the here and now. These combiners are part of Generation Three, just like every other figure that has come out under this line, except the FOC/WFC figures.

You do realize there's no Generation 3, right? This is the IDW reinterpretation/ Re-imagining of the G1 continuity; which, in my opinion, is far superior to the other interpretations of Generation one over 30 years, including Marvel G1, Sunbow G1, and Japanese G1, and Dreamwave G1.

Currently, though, since it was a mixed bag prior to James Roberts and John Barber taking the helm of things.

Yeah, though after Barber and Robert's took over I view as a bit of a soft reboot of itself, even though it isn't really. I suppose though, The closest Comparison/analogy would be; IDW G1 is the 2004 Battlestar Galactica to 1984 G1's 1978 Battlestar Galactica.

[shockblast2]

People, you must get it through your thick skulls that this ain't geewun. Slingshot and Wildrider DO NOT exist in the new generation of Transformers.

Sure they do. But Slingshot's dead, and we currently don't know about Wildrider's situation.

Again, they do not exist. If they did, then they would be part of the Aerialbot and Stunticon combiners, now wouldn't they? Or would they, since THIS IS NOT GEEWUN.

The Slingshot that was killed in the comics is not the aerialbot Slingshot from G1. If it were, then it would be alive, part of the aerialbot team that forms Superion, and there would be a deluxe class figure for it in 2015.

Sadly for g1 fans, there is not.

[shockblast2]

And the geewun rage continues.....LOL

People, you must get it through your thick skulls that this ain't geewun. Slingshot and Wildrider DO NOT exist in the new generation of Transformers.

Personally, I like the change for two reasons. One, it is a brand new character. And two, watching all the geewun fans get their panties in a wad over the their "modern" geewun collection not fitting in with their ideology of what Hasbro should be producing.

Geewun died twenty years ago people. Time to move on and live in the here and now. These combiners are part of Generation Three, just like every other figure that has come out under this line, except the FOC/WFC figures.

You do realize there's no Generation 3, right? This is the IDW reinterpretation/ Re-imagining of the G1 continuity; which, in my opinion, is far superior to the other interpretations of Generation one over 30 years, including Marvel G1, Sunbow G1, and Japanese G1, and Dreamwave G1.

Currently, though, since it was a mixed bag prior to James Roberts and John Barber taking the helm of things.

Yeah, though after Barber and Robert's took over I view as a bit of a soft reboot of itself, even though it isn't really. I suppose though, The closest Comparison/analogy would be; IDW G1 is the 2004 Battlestar Galactica to 1984 G1's 1978 Battlestar Galactica.

Says who? Who ever claimed it was a "G1 reboot", except a few fanboys and their web pages? First of all the toys are not comics. Just because some of the figures somewhat loosely resemble their IDW counterparts doesn't mean a thing. If it did, then the argument that Generations Thundercracker and Skywarp are really part of FOC would be valid.

The comparison I can make to it is comparing the 80's TMNT toyline to 2012.

NOT the same.

[Sabrblade]

Again, they do not exist. If they did, then they would be part of the Aerialbot and Stunticon combiners, now wouldn't they?

Um, Slingshot's dead body is right there in the image. They killed him off and Alpha Bravo volunteered alongside Powerglide to be Slingshot's replacement:

The Slingshot that was killed in the comics is not the aerialbot Slingshot from G1. If it were, then it would be alive, part of the aerialbot team that forms Superion, and there would be a deluxe class figure for it in 2015.

If you read the comic, you'd know that that was indeed the Aerialbot Slingshot in that pic.

Your ignorance, as always, is staggering.

[shockblast2]

And the geewun rage continues.....LOL

People, you must get it through your thick skulls that this ain't geewun. Slingshot and Wildrider DO NOT exist in the new generation of Transformers.

Personally, I like the change for two reasons. One, it is a brand new character. And two, watching all the geewun fans get their panties in a wad over the their "modern" geewun collection not fitting in with their ideology of what Hasbro should be producing.

Geewun died twenty years ago people. Time to move on and live in the here and now. These combiners are part of Generation Three, just like every other figure that has come out under this line, except the FOC/WFC figures.

You do realize there's no Generation 3, right? This is the IDW reinterpretation/ Re-imagining of the G1 continuity; which, in my opinion, is far superior to the other interpretations of Generation one over 30 years, including Marvel G1, Sunbow G1, and Japanese G1, and Dreamwave G1.

Sure there is. Who said IDW's take on the Transformers is a "g1 reboot"?

[Sabrblade]

Sure there is. Who said IDW's take on the Transformers is a "g1 reboot"?

Um, IDW did? Ever since they started the series back in 2005?

[shockblast2]

Again, they do not exist. If they did, then they would be part of the Aerialbot and Stunticon combiners, now wouldn't they?

Um, Slingshot's dead body is right there in the image. They killed him off and Alpha Bravo volunteered alongside Powerglide to be Slingshot's replacement:

The Slingshot that was killed in the comics is not the aerialbot Slingshot from G1. If it were, then it would be alive, part of the aerialbot team that forms Superion, and there would be a deluxe class figure for it in 2015.

If you read the comic, you'd know that that was indeed the Aerialbot Slingshot in that pic.

Your ignorance, as always, is staggering.

And your ignorance, as always , is comical.

Aerialbot Slingshot is not part of the combiner team because Aerialbot Slingshot is DEAD. Doesn't exist. Kaput. Gone. Bye-bye.

As a matter of fact, his death in the comics PROVES the toys, not the comics, are driving the new generation. Hasbro called for his death to introduce Alpha Bravo so they could have a helicopter mold for the Aerialbots to be used in the later released Vortex. They will do the same with the Protectobots. One of them will be replaced with the autobot version of Off Road. This all saves Hasbro money in the long run.

I never said it wasn't Slingshot. What I said was is that is NOT g1 Slingshot.

Try reading SLOWLY before commenting.

[shockblast2]

Sure there is. Who said IDW's take on the Transformers is a "g1 reboot"?

Um, IDW did? Ever since they started the series back in 2005?

1. Show me that in writing.

2. Even if it were, the storyline and characters that began in 2005 are NOT the same as the RID series that runs now.

[Sabrblade]

Aerialbot Slingshot is not part of the combiner team because Aerialbot Slingshot is DEAD. Doesn't exist. Kaput. Gone. Bye-bye.

Being dead doesn't mean he never existed. He did previously, until he was damaged beyond repair in Superion's last fight with Devastator.

2. Even if it were, the storyline and characters that began in 2005 are NOT the same as the RID series that runs now.

Yeah they are. It's been one long-running series since then and even current issues flashback to those events from time to time. The big Dark Cybertron event from last year dealt with the Dead Universe that Simon Furman introduced during his term in writing the comic, which was from 2005 to 2008, and which Mike Costa reintroduced in 2011 during his writing term.