Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Emerje wrote:And a vocal minority insisted this would never fund.
Emerje
-Kanrabat- wrote:Emerje wrote:And a vocal minority insisted this would never fund.
Emerje
I really wonder why they thought that? Even the Takara reissue that was sold for around DOUBLE the original retail price sold like hot cakes. Plus it's a motherfokking Optimus.
HasLab Unicron failed. The original backer window didn't get it funded. It required an unprecedented extension to get it made, because Hasbro couldn't afford to let Unicron fail. It was a gamble they lost, so they changed the rules to make it win.-Kanrabat- wrote:The day a Transformers HASLAB fail will be the day push something no one care about like the Reva Lightsaber.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:HasLab Unicron failed. The original backer window didn't get it funded. It required an unprecedented extension to get it made, because Hasbro couldn't afford to let Unicron fail. It was a gamble they lost, so they changed the rules to make it win.-Kanrabat- wrote:The day a Transformers HASLAB fail will be the day push something no one care about like the Reva Lightsaber.
Emerje wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:Emerje wrote:And a vocal minority insisted this would never fund.
Emerje
I really wonder why they thought that? Even the Takara reissue that was sold for around DOUBLE the original retail price sold like hot cakes. Plus it's a motherfokking Optimus.
They were just bitter it wasn't Primus. I guarantee Primus wouldn't have sold this well this quickly.
Emerje
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:To be a little fair to Primus, he appeared in robot mode in the Cybertron cartoon for 10 episodes, whereas Unicron only appeared in robot mode in Armada for just 4 episodes. Same with his head only appearing in 4 episodes of the G1 cartoon, but that was only his head and not his full robot body. In Energon, he was in planet mode for most of that series, but his robot mode appearances kinda blurred together since, by that point, the show became so unmemorable. And Prime never depicted him with a full planetary robot mode, just avatars made of dirt and rock.
Counting the few minutes Unicron's robot mode appeared in TFTM, Primus has had more cartoon screentime in his planetary robot mode than Unicron had in both TFTM and Armada combined.
-Kanrabat- wrote:Maybe Primus "beat" Unicron with minutes of on-screen appearance, but Unicron was the main threat for a movie and two huge seasons and a half of transformers shows. That leave a deeper mark. Then, his Armada toy were more produced and repainted than Primus by a large margin. Furthermore, Unicron got a lot of random figures after, transforming or not. That leave an impression that Primus could never achieve.
o.supreme wrote:Unicron was unique in that it was only the 2nd Haslab ever, so they were still trying to figure things out. The black series Rancor is still puzzling. It came so close at the very end, even a 1 day extension would have allowed it to fund. It was almost like someone wanted it to fall. The others I get because the backers needed wasn't even close, but that Rancor was just an odd situation all around.
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I can't say I'm surprised nor disappointed that once again people have thrown their money at HasLab, without thinking. Those self-same people should likely reflect. While never complaining again about prices rises in the other lines, as a knock on effect. Much like MP-44's insane success and the subsequent price rise of the whole MP line.
..You caused this.
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:There is a difference between price increase and price hike. The hike comes from Hasbro picking a random number out of the air IE MP-44 and the fanbase enabling them by throwing money at them. Which leads Hasbro to grow bolder with prices in the future. While selling people on the party line about more moving parts and detailed designs being the actual pricing factor. Which it isn't. Because retail price never even nears that of manufacture. The difference between the two is just gross profit.
-Kanrabat- wrote:As for "price hikes" I can see some figures being "hiked" to no end, like the Reactivate toys. But MP could be any price they want
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:As for "price hikes" I can see some figures being "hiked" to no end, like the Reactivate toys. But MP could be any price they want
Basically the definition of a price hike, in this instance. The prime example is the comparison from MP-44 to MP-49. Trying to justify the significant price drop between one and the other, as the cost of the "trailer". That was basically Hasbro pointing and laughing at those who paid the initial price tag for MP-44.
Red flags keep appearing EG HasLab Unicron, Omega Prime etc and some are just blind to the warnings. Fund it and fall for the hollow justifications from Hasbro marketing, over and over again. That's why I say I am neither surprised nor disappointed by news like this anymore. Hasbro knows how to fleece their willing fanbase.
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:It was still just a trailer. Now if were talking about Powermaster Prime, Car Robots Prime or any of the UT variants. That means something. Because the trailer is part of the figure.
There is a real discussion to be had about standardising pricing in collector lines. About honestly stating that pricing is indicative solely of the popularity of the character and not manufacture at all. Also how for the price point of HasLab, common faults attributed to cheaper retail-line figures. Such as balancing/posing issues when figures are standing on their own feet. Should not exist, nor be given a pass.
-Kanrabat- wrote:"Just a trailer" is what you judge.
-Kanrabat- wrote: But compared to the emptiness that was the Earthrise trailer, who was effectively JUST a trailer, the MP-44 trailer was complete and had multiple fonctions and features, including Roller. Not counting the humain characters, extra weapons, and the Starscream "cosplay". The whole shebang was much more justifiable than the empty box that came with ER Optimus. The MP-44 price was 100% justified compared to ER "leader" Optimus, who was clearly "hiked".
-Kanrabat- wrote: But accusing "price hikes" is just coping.
-Kanrabat- wrote:As for Omega Prime, both Optimus and Magnus were 5000 JPY originally in 2005. Today, that would be 5600 JPY. That's not too bad for the base inflation.
Then, there's the 2 pack reissue of Omega Prime that was a whopping 30000 JPY. That's more than DOUBLE the price (almost triple!) it was supposed to be if the toys were just following normal inflation.
Now THAT'S a price hike. Maybe a limited production run justify that price?
Then there's the HASLAB version who will have a limited run, better engineering, and will be bigger than the original for the same price as the Takara reissue. THAT one can't be considered a "price hike" because there is no precedent. And if the precedent is the flawed Takara reissue of the original, the HASLAB will be overall cheaper ironically.
noctorro wrote:Well here's a minority.
I just don't see a lot of improving on the original figure.
I understand the choice since it's a nice 2 pack.
But c'mon the original Optimus has good articulation and a good mode.
And the partsforming is still there.
You can also still get that Optimus and Magnus new unopened for an acceptable price online.
SO I understand the choice but also don't.
RID is just to modern to reissue in such a special way. It could've easily been a Legacy Commander/Leader and people would be just as happy.
I say reserve Haslab's for old Transformers or just reissue Fortress Maximuss again or something. Not update a leader that was already a good action figure.
Emerje wrote:I say reserve Haslab's for old Transformers or just reissue Fortress Maximuss again or something. Not update a leader that was already a good action figure.
The Encore release of Fort Max wasn't a great seller, those things lingered on sale for a long time, it's never coming back. They sell for high prices on eBay, but that doesn't mean demand is high, it just means $500~ is what the people looking for them are willing to pay now. Either way that would never happen as a HasLab.
Emerje
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