-Kanrabat- wrote:Good lord...
Why striving for CARTOON ACCURACY with a freaking GENERATIONS toy?
The beasts in Kingdom did it right by giving us a "cartoon accurate" bot mode but with a realistic altmode. Why not having Blitzwing having an accurate bot mode but with perfect altmodes? Without some mind-boggling EXTRA KIBBLE?
william-james88 wrote:If ever Sabrblade decides to go on vacation, I am glad to know we can rely on you.
Hellscream9999 wrote:Because Geewun?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Agreed. It's unneeded, as is converting characters to G1 style in general. Especially if they're UT characters who were thus already stylistically close to late-G1 stuff anyway, although at the same time that's less damaging than doing it to a Prime or Animated character.Seibertron wrote:Yah I feel like they just don't know what "we" want for some reason, which is a bit frustrating. Amalgamations of things like mixing Transformers Prime style and G1 style is not something I think any of us wanted. Want to do multiverse? Great. There's no reason why you need to change Prime Arcee's face so she all of a sudden has a G1 nose that she's never had before.
Agreed... SS86 Hot Rod looks really nice in both modes, but the transformation witchcraft needed because of the faux-parts chest makes him less fun to transform than the Titans Return version - and makes certain parts have durability problems. I like neo-G1 toys to still feel like you're transforming the G1 character as best they can.Seibertron wrote:At this point, I'm basically against anything G1 trying to be too slavish to the cartoon models because they're over engineered to the point where it's just a puzzle toy going from one animated robot mode to another animated alternate mode model that may or may not have the parts going in the right places and instead achieve the "look" by having faux pieces and instead having car parts where they should go in robot mode.
I disagree about Classics Sunstreaker achieving it "properly" since while he's got a real windshield chest instead of semi-real like the MP, the rest of him is backwards Sideswipe I have to say that at least MP Sunstreaker was restrained from getting nearly as stupid as MP Hound by the need to keep Lamborghini happy.Seibertron wrote:Masterpiece Sunstreaker might be the only one in recent years that I'm willing to give a pass to, but even then, I really like how Classics Universe Sunstreaker achieved it properly and G1 Sunstreaker is still a pretty solid figure after all of these years even if it's not 100% cartoon accurate. I think I'd rather have the actual windshield and roof of the car become his chest and lower abdomen instead of "faking" it.
william-james88 wrote:From all that I am reading Ryan, your opinion us majority rather than a minority. I am right there with you. I have found people that are fine with Blitzwing's tank being G1 to a fault but I found no one hoping that this is how it would look like.
Gauntlet101010 wrote:I don't want to get too into Astro; I still remember the convo about him earlier. I'll just repeat that he's a train with another tiny train sticking out the front end. It's not the same nonsense as Blitz with a cockpit to emulate part of the animation model nobody remembers until now, but it's still nonsense. In both cases I think they sacrificed too much of the vehicle modes to give us an outstanding robot mode.
Fine. But for me, the SIEGE version's narrowing feels like it's just an inversion of that widening, and so doesn't bug me as much.Gauntlet101010 wrote:Let's not get hung up on compromises to a toy 30 years old. The outer wheels on the G1 aren't great, but it's also a different product at a different price point for a different time.
No, only Blitzwing is a mess in his altmodes. Astrotrain has minor hiccups in both altmodes. And again, his compromises were for the sake of a function thing - full-length feet with ankle rockers - rather than Blitzwing's screwing things up purely for minuscule (and thus worthless) gains in looks by having fake robot-mode jet wings.Gauntlet101010 wrote:Blitz is just a mess in both alt modes. Astro is a mess in both alt modes. In bot mode both look great to me. In either case I just can't say it's justified.
Because straight-telescoping legs and because it's a brick without real feet, that's how. Also, I'd say the TR tank mode only looks slightly worse than G1 (note how the cockpit does not stick out past the treads, and also isn't floating there on its own with no surrounding hull - unlike what's seen on the Legacy mess and the animation model).Gauntlet101010 wrote:Staying on the topic of Blitz, I never got the Titans Returns version. Just not better enough. Looking at it now the tank mode loses badly there too. How can the G1 toy strike the best balance of all three modes?
Seibertron wrote:Homaging old school design flaws is also not something that I think any of us were clamoring for. I want to look at a modern day toy and say "wow, that's fantastic that today's designers with today's toy technology can overcome silly things like having Blitzwing's jet canopy blatantly showing in tank mode." I thought some of the half assed alt modes of triplechangers were charming when I was a kid but with today's technology I don't really find it charming on modern toys.
At this point, I'm basically against anything G1 trying to be too slavish to the cartoon models because they're over engineered to the point where it's just a puzzle toy going from one animated robot mode to another animated alternate mode model that may or may not have the parts going in the right places and instead achieve the "look" by having faux pieces and instead having car parts where they should go in robot mode.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
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