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News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Sun Apr 09, 2023 2:08 pm

The main benefit of Core class Beast Wars and Beast Machines toys means they'd be closer in scale to how the Maximals, Predacons, and most Vehicons* were much smaller than the Autobots and Decepticons in those two cartoons and their related tie-in media.

*Tankor is the notable exception, since he was so much bigger than the other Vehicons and Maximals. His Generations Thrilling 30 Deluxe toy is pretty much already in scale with the Autobots and Decepticons.

News Credits: 1 · by **Bumblevivisector** » Sun Apr 09, 2023 2:18 pm

Sabrblade wrote:The main benefit of Core class Beast Wars and Beast Machines toys means they'd be closer in scale to how the Maximals, Predacons, and most Vehicons* were much smaller than the Autobots and Decepticons in those two cartoons and their related tie-in media.

*Tankor is the notable exception, since he was so much bigger than the other Vehicons and Maximals. His Generations Thrilling 30 Deluxe toy is pretty much already in scale with the Autobots and Decepticons.

I was thinking pretty much the same thing: Please Hasbro, make all new BM toys scale with Generations Tankor from 9 years ago, and not with the majority of BW toys we've been getting lately, thank you!

Doing so would also put them in scale with Beast Machines Happy Meal toys; Nightscream's was more show accurate than his mainline swingset-former figure, so no need for an update!

News Credits: 19 · by **blackeyedprime** » Sun Apr 09, 2023 3:44 pm

Not interested in cores but will be nice to see if they get released at other size classes. Probably a good move for hasbro as third party legends sized figures don't seem to be that big on beast machines.

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Sun Apr 09, 2023 3:46 pm

blackeyedprime wrote:Not interested in cores but will be nice to see if they get released at other size classes.

They already did. That's what Kingdom was about.

News Credits: 241 · by **Jelze Bunnycat** » Sun Apr 09, 2023 4:15 pm

A Core Class BW Dinobot... *looks at Slash*

I do have a bit of a concern regarding the BM Maximals, namely that their Beast and Robot Modes share almost no details whatsoever in the show. Will they attempt replicating that, let alone at Core scale?

News Credits: 1 · by **Rtron** » Sun Apr 09, 2023 4:37 pm

There's no way they'll do the Beast Machines style justice. It'll be G1ified to hell and back. Beast Machines Cheetor pretool for G1 core Rampage, anyone?

I'm kidding about the pretool thing... I think.

News Credits: 19 · by **blackeyedprime** » Sun Apr 09, 2023 6:01 pm

Rtron wrote:There's no way they'll do the Beast Machines style justice. It'll be G1ified to hell and back. Beast Machines Cheetor pretool for G1 core Rampage, anyone?

I'm kidding about the pretool thing... I think.

Nah Beastwars/machines is already G1 (and G3, G4 and G0 hahaha) so they shouldnt mess with them as much as they did with the Prime figures in Legacy...maybe.

News Credits: 241 · by **Jelze Bunnycat** » Sun Apr 09, 2023 6:05 pm

blackeyedprime wrote:
Rtron wrote:There's no way they'll do the Beast Machines style justice. It'll be G1ified to hell and back. Beast Machines Cheetor pretool for G1 core Rampage, anyone?

I'm kidding about the pretool thing... I think.

Nah Beastwars/machines is already G1 (and G3, G4 and G0 hahaha) so they shouldnt mess with them as much as they did with the Prime figures in Legacy...maybe.

So true, I mean have you ever seen blocky animals... outside of Space Truckers?

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Sun Apr 09, 2023 6:31 pm

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:
blackeyedprime wrote:
Rtron wrote:There's no way they'll do the Beast Machines style justice. It'll be G1ified to hell and back. Beast Machines Cheetor pretool for G1 core Rampage, anyone?

I'm kidding about the pretool thing... I think.

Nah Beastwars/machines is already G1 (and G3, G4 and G0 hahaha) so they shouldnt mess with them as much as they did with the Prime figures in Legacy...maybe.

So true, I mean have you ever seen blocky animals... outside of Space Truckers?

Yes:

News Credits: 4835 · by **william-james88** » Sun Apr 09, 2023 6:31 pm

Sabrblade wrote:
blackeyedprime wrote:Not interested in cores but will be nice to see if they get released at other size classes.
They already did. That's what Kingdom was about.

Pretty sure they were talking about the Beast Machines element.

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:A Core Class BW Dinobot... *looks at Slash*

I do have a bit of a concern regarding the BM Maximals, namely that their Beast and Robot Modes share almost no details whatsoever in the show. Will they attempt replicating that, let alone at Core scale?

Cheetor is the easiest one to get away with so it makes sense that they'd go for him first.

News Credits: 241 · by **Jelze Bunnycat** » Sun Apr 09, 2023 6:47 pm

Sabrblade wrote:
Jelze Bunnycat wrote:
blackeyedprime wrote:
Rtron wrote:There's no way they'll do the Beast Machines style justice. It'll be G1ified to hell and back. Beast Machines Cheetor pretool for G1 core Rampage, anyone?

I'm kidding about the pretool thing... I think.

Nah Beastwars/machines is already G1 (and G3, G4 and G0 hahaha) so they shouldnt mess with them as much as they did with the Prime figures in Legacy...maybe.

So true, I mean have you ever seen blocky animals... outside of Space Truckers?
Yes:

I meant organic animals and you know it

News Credits: 2 · by **Hero Alpha** » Sun Apr 09, 2023 6:58 pm

-Kanrabat- wrote:
Hero Alpha wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:
Hero Alpha wrote:They do both look amazing. I pre-ordered Megatron, but not Optimus as I only want the cab/bot. Prolly no chance theys gonna release just it. But I am hoping they will as Nemesis, that I will buy. If its jus the cab.

Also about the Shrapnel guns; I dont see any difference in left or right.

I don't know why you'd want just the cab when that trailer actually do something relevant contrary to Rodimus Prime. Especially because that super mode is freakishly awesome and iconic and it give Prime a fighting chance against Megatron.

I just dont care for the look of his super mode. Ever since I saw the prototype of this Optimus I was excited to use it as my main G1 Prime in a new body. To go against Super Megatron. Or at the very least, use it as my Nemesis, if theys ever release one. I really liked Armada as a whole, just not so much the look of his super mode. But the base Optimus is one of my fav looks for him, along with G2 lazer Prime. I do like the new G2 Prime, but its just barely not good enough to replace Earthrise one as my Prime. Now if it had bulkier arms, shoulder/missle-pod rotation and maybe better legs, yes.

I would not be buying Armada Prime as Armada Prime. Just like Im buying Armada Megatron to be used as Helex(since prolly never make him), or someone, cause I just really love that design, just not as my Megatron. So I have no need for Prime's super mode.(my collection is as a head-canon 4th season of Sunbow G1[with a tiny bit of IDW and Marvel jammed in]). Now as far as I remember Armada Nemesis Prime never used the super mode, correct? I am not sure if they do release just the cab as Nemesis, if it would even fit in a voyager or leader price point, or something in between.

In that case, skip the Legacy Armada Prime entirely and just get the old Bendy Prime. I wonder if that old "deluxe" is as big as the Legacy one?
If yes, you're set.

I had that very thought a few years ago. If I remember correctly bendy Prime is a bit too small and being a wonder when it was new, doesnt look as advanced and bulky as the new one.

Yeah those Core scaled BM/BWs figures would be scaled nicely. I usually dont buy core figures, unless they are supposed to be that size, ie. Rumble. However I am interested in this.

News Credits: 11 · by **Overcracker** » Sun Apr 09, 2023 10:46 pm

If were getting core BW characters, why ot other sizes…

Anyboyd up for a Titan Class BM Supreme Cheetor? :-D

O.k,ok, I’ll walk myself out.

News Credits: 6 · by **AllNewSuperRobot** » Mon Apr 10, 2023 5:42 am

It's been nearly three years since Tigatron, at this point. Sigh

News Credits: 1350 · by **ZeroWolf** » Mon Apr 10, 2023 7:18 am

Guess the G1 MP line is just more important at the moment.

On the other hand, I'll always welcome the news of more Beast era toys, though hopefully we can get some more vehicons

News Credits: 6 · by **AllNewSuperRobot** » Mon Apr 10, 2023 7:25 am

ZeroWolf wrote:Guess the G1 MP line is always more important at the moment.

On the other hand, I'll always welcome the news of more Beast era toys, though hopefully we can get some more vehicons

Meanwhile, more Vehicons? Yes! More BM Maximals...

News Credits: 10 · by **sol magnus** » Mon Apr 10, 2023 12:23 pm

Sabrblade wrote:The main benefit of Core class Beast Wars and Beast Machines toys means they'd be closer in scale to how the Maximals, Predacons, and most Vehicons* were much smaller than the Autobots and Decepticons in those two cartoons and their related tie-in media.

*Tankor is the notable exception, since he was so much bigger than the other Vehicons and Maximals. His Generations Thrilling 30 Deluxe toy is pretty much already in scale with the Autobots and Decepticons.

They'd have to make a super-core Rattrap, then, but I'm fine with the 'modified' scale they have now. I want all my stuff to play in the same sandbox so to speak.

News Credits: 2 · by **Nemesis Destron** » Mon Apr 10, 2023 2:56 pm

Interesting how 2 deluxe figures I bought at Walmart were a couple bucks more than 1 deluxe figure I bought at Target. :-?

MyFigureCollection.net collection · by **Emerje** » Mon Apr 10, 2023 8:22 pm

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

It's been nearly three years since Tigatron, at this point. Sigh

Beast Wars MPs were a response to us not having anything to celebrate the 20th Anniversary of Beast Wars. As long as Legacy keeps giving us Beast Wars figures I doubt we'll see another MP.

sol magnus wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:The main benefit of Core class Beast Wars and Beast Machines toys means they'd be closer in scale to how the Maximals, Predacons, and most Vehicons* were much smaller than the Autobots and Decepticons in those two cartoons and their related tie-in media.

*Tankor is the notable exception, since he was so much bigger than the other Vehicons and Maximals. His Generations Thrilling 30 Deluxe toy is pretty much already in scale with the Autobots and Decepticons.

They'd have to make a super-core Rattrap, then, but I'm fine with the 'modified' scale they have now. I want all my stuff to play in the same sandbox so to speak.

Wouldn't that be "sub-core"?

Emerje

News Credits: 10 · by **sol magnus** » Tue Apr 11, 2023 7:58 am

Emerje wrote:
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

It's been nearly three years since Tigatron, at this point. Sigh

Beast Wars MPs were a response to us not having anything to celebrate the 20th Anniversary of Beast Wars. As long as Legacy keeps giving us Beast Wars figures I doubt we'll see another MP.

sol magnus wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:The main benefit of Core class Beast Wars and Beast Machines toys means they'd be closer in scale to how the Maximals, Predacons, and most Vehicons* were much smaller than the Autobots and Decepticons in those two cartoons and their related tie-in media.

*Tankor is the notable exception, since he was so much bigger than the other Vehicons and Maximals. His Generations Thrilling 30 Deluxe toy is pretty much already in scale with the Autobots and Decepticons.

They'd have to make a super-core Rattrap, then, but I'm fine with the 'modified' scale they have now. I want all my stuff to play in the same sandbox so to speak.

Wouldn't that be "sub-core"?

Emerje

Yeah, that works. Sub-core.

News Credits: 1 · by **SkyFire Prime** » Thu Apr 13, 2023 12:00 am

Hero Alpha wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:
Hero Alpha wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:
Hero Alpha wrote:They do both look amazing. I pre-ordered Megatron, but not Optimus as I only want the cab/bot. Prolly no chance theys gonna release just it. But I am hoping they will as Nemesis, that I will buy. If its jus the cab.

Also about the Shrapnel guns; I dont see any difference in left or right.

I don't know why you'd want just the cab when that trailer actually do something relevant contrary to Rodimus Prime. Especially because that super mode is freakishly awesome and iconic and it give Prime a fighting chance against Megatron.

I just dont care for the look of his super mode. Ever since I saw the prototype of this Optimus I was excited to use it as my main G1 Prime in a new body. To go against Super Megatron. Or at the very least, use it as my Nemesis, if theys ever release one. I really liked Armada as a whole, just not so much the look of his super mode. But the base Optimus is one of my fav looks for him, along with G2 lazer Prime. I do like the new G2 Prime, but its just barely not good enough to replace Earthrise one as my Prime. Now if it had bulkier arms, shoulder/missle-pod rotation and maybe better legs, yes.

I would not be buying Armada Prime as Armada Prime. Just like Im buying Armada Megatron to be used as Helex(since prolly never make him), or someone, cause I just really love that design, just not as my Megatron. So I have no need for Prime's super mode.(my collection is as a head-canon 4th season of Sunbow G1[with a tiny bit of IDW and Marvel jammed in]). Now as far as I remember Armada Nemesis Prime never used the super mode, correct? I am not sure if they do release just the cab as Nemesis, if it would even fit in a voyager or leader price point, or something in between.

In that case, skip the Legacy Armada Prime entirely and just get the old Bendy Prime. I wonder if that old "deluxe" is as big as the Legacy one?
If yes, you're set.

I had that very thought a few years ago. If I remember correctly bendy Prime is a bit too small and being a wonder when it was new, doesnt look as advanced and bulky as the new one.

Yeah those Core scaled BM/BWs figures would be scaled nicely. I usually dont buy core figures, unless they are supposed to be that size, ie. Rumble. However I am interested in this.

There's a pretty decent rumor that Nemesis Armada Prime is coming in the far future with no trailer... But that makes me want the current one even more, don't want to miss out on a super robot.... I'll definitely pick up a Nemesis too though.

News Credits: 100 · by **-Kanrabat-** » Thu Apr 13, 2023 4:29 am

SkyFire Prime wrote:There's a pretty decent rumor that Nemesis Armada Prime is coming in the far future with no trailer... But that makes me want the current one even more, don't want to miss out on a super robot.... I'll definitely pick up a Nemesis too though.

That's not a "rumor" at all. Just a single user's wish. Because most likely, many parts of the trailer / super bot are gang-molded with the main Prime. So a repaint that would only have half the set makes no senses.

As for a Nemesis Armada Optimus, I call that it's very likely because Optimus Prime is always an easy repaint.

Still, I'd love to see a "Nemesis Skylynx" before that.

News Credits: 1 · by **SkyFire Prime** » Thu Apr 13, 2023 6:01 am

-Kanrabat- wrote:
SkyFire Prime wrote:There's a pretty decent rumor that Nemesis Armada Prime is coming in the far future with no trailer... But that makes me want the current one even more, don't want to miss out on a super robot.... I'll definitely pick up a Nemesis too though.

That's not a "rumor" at all. Just a single user's wish. Because most likely, many parts of the trailer / super bot are gang-molded with the main Prime. So a repaint that would only have half the set makes no senses.

As for a Nemesis Armada Optimus, I call that it's very likely because Optimus Prime is always an easy repaint.

Still, I'd love to see a "Nemesis Skylynx" before that.

Comes from some TFW leakers, along with Commander Magnus not having the inner bot, and a few other things.

News Credits: 1350 · by **ZeroWolf** » Thu Apr 13, 2023 7:05 am

SkyFire Prime wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:
SkyFire Prime wrote:There's a pretty decent rumor that Nemesis Armada Prime is coming in the far future with no trailer... But that makes me want the current one even more, don't want to miss out on a super robot.... I'll definitely pick up a Nemesis too though.

That's not a "rumor" at all. Just a single user's wish. Because most likely, many parts of the trailer / super bot are gang-molded with the main Prime. So a repaint that would only have half the set makes no senses.

As for a Nemesis Armada Optimus, I call that it's very likely because Optimus Prime is always an easy repaint.

Still, I'd love to see a "Nemesis Skylynx" before that.

Comes from some TFW leakers, along with Commander Magnus not having the inner bot, and a few other things.

The rumour I'm more interested in there is the tidbit about Commander UM, as that's something I theorised myself but that's more appropriate in the ss86 thread.

As for Nemesis Prime, I still can't see them reusing the normal mode Prime figure as its going to have the super mode fists and head that will now be useless. I can see them more taking the CAD file for the figure, removing all those elements (while stripping back other things to get it in the right price point, which would probably be Voyager)!

News Credits: 1 · by **SkyFire Prime** » Thu Apr 13, 2023 7:27 am

ZeroWolf wrote:
SkyFire Prime wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:
SkyFire Prime wrote:There's a pretty decent rumor that Nemesis Armada Prime is coming in the far future with no trailer... But that makes me want the current one even more, don't want to miss out on a super robot.... I'll definitely pick up a Nemesis too though.

That's not a "rumor" at all. Just a single user's wish. Because most likely, many parts of the trailer / super bot are gang-molded with the main Prime. So a repaint that would only have half the set makes no senses.

As for a Nemesis Armada Optimus, I call that it's very likely because Optimus Prime is always an easy repaint.

Still, I'd love to see a "Nemesis Skylynx" before that.

Comes from some TFW leakers, along with Commander Magnus not having the inner bot, and a few other things.

The rumour I'm more interested in there is the tidbit about Commander UM, as that's something I theorised myself but that's more appropriate in the ss86 thread.

As for Nemesis Prime, I still can't see them reusing the normal mode Prime figure as its going to have the super mode fists and head that will now be useless. I can see them more taking the CAD file for the figure, removing all those elements (while stripping back other things to get it in the right price point, which would probably be Voyager)!

I know it's sounds unlikely, but I believe there is possibly some truth to it. Obviously released as a leader with perhaps an exclusive Minicon. Which are also rumored to come in exclusive packs.