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ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

Overcracker wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

Overcracker wrote:In the subject of Bulkhead I still don't understand why people say he's based off of Prime Bulkhead, when he's clearly a g1-ified version of Animated Bulkhead's Vehicle mode.

Because his head skews more towards Prime Bulkhead, and because that's who the designers said they started with when G1-ifying the character.

Well that doesn't make much sense. That's like staying they wanted to make a homage to Transformers Prime Prowl, and then making him a motorcycle.

Eh.... It's a big truck either way. And the boxier silhouette is more faux-'80s than a ginormous pickup.

Honestly, given the construction of the truck (cargo bed with a cover, big windows on the cab) I'd say it's closer to what AoE Hound (who despite the name he's benchwarming, has a very Bulkhead-y design) turns into. Animated Bulkhead was an APC.

How is a Tactical Military truck closer to a private use SUV / Pickup?

An APC is closer to a Tactical Military Truck, than an Escallade EXT, Chevy Avalanche or Hummer H3T type of truck which is what Prime Bulkhead turns into.

AoE Hound is a Tactical Truck that more closely resembles Legacy Bulkhead.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMMV_HX_r ... cal_trucks

sol magnus wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:I'm probably one of the few people on the planet who feels completely fine with Siege/Earthrise Astrotrain as he is.

So much so, I bought three of him!

Add me to that list.

Me as well. I love that figure.

Overcracker wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

Overcracker wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

Overcracker wrote:In the subject of Bulkhead I still don't understand why people say he's based off of Prime Bulkhead, when he's clearly a g1-ified version of Animated Bulkhead's Vehicle mode.

Because his head skews more towards Prime Bulkhead, and because that's who the designers said they started with when G1-ifying the character.

Well that doesn't make much sense. That's like staying they wanted to make a homage to Transformers Prime Prowl, and then making him a motorcycle.

Eh.... It's a big truck either way. And the boxier silhouette is more faux-'80s than a ginormous pickup.

Honestly, given the construction of the truck (cargo bed with a cover, big windows on the cab) I'd say it's closer to what AoE Hound (who despite the name he's benchwarming, has a very Bulkhead-y design) turns into. Animated Bulkhead was an APC.

How is a Tactical Military truck closer to a private use SUV / Pickup?

...I didn't say it was. You're conflating my two different statements about the it.

Statement 1: The boxy silhouette of the tactical truck looks more faux-eighties than a ginormous pickup.

Statement 2: The look of Legacy Bulkhead's tactical truck mode - big windows on the cab, and a cargo bed with a cover - is closer to AoE Hound (who turned into the same sort of thing) than it is to Animated Bulkhead (who turned into an APC, with a slit windshield as befits such and a solid-armored passenger compartment).

Statement 1 is me pointing out that a boxy tactical truck like that looks more in line with the early eighties (And thus, pre-movie G1's car mode sensibilities) than does a ginormous personal pickup truck.
Statement 2 is me pointing out that AoE Hound makes a better comparison to Legacy Bulkhead, than Animated Bulkhead does.

Overcracker wrote:An APC is closer to a Tactical Military Truck, than an Escallade EXT, Chevy Avalanche or Hummer H3T type of truck which is what Prime Bulkhead turns into.

Yes. But see point about you conflating my statements. And those "semi with a pickup body" type pickups weren't nearly as big a thing in the early '80s.

Overcracker wrote:AoE Hound is a Tactical Truck that more closely resembles Legacy Bulkhead.

That was my entire point in bringing him up. That he resembles Legacy Bulkhead more than Animated Bulkhead does.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

Overcracker wrote:AoE Hound is a Tactical Truck that more closely resembles Legacy Bulkhead.

That was my entire point in bringing him up. That he resembles Legacy Bulkhead more than Animated Bulkhead does.

I'll post this again.



It works perfectly.
A custom worth making if I find a second Bulkhead on sale and a junker AoE/TlK Hound.

Nemesis Primal wrote:

Sentinel_Primal wrote:Have we heard anything concrete about if Legacy is lasting more than one year? Cause I can't remember hearing anything outside of rumors, but if it does, I hope we get some more late G1/JG1, specifically some bigger Pretenders.

All we've heard is that Legacy was originally rumored to be a trilogy again with the subtitle of Evolution for part 1, and now the figures are releasing without any mention of a trilogy or a subtitle but with Evolution still included in a number of the figures' listings as if that rumor was true but plans changed.

The initial Legacy rumors also said we'd be getting Leader Straxus, Deluxe Nightbeat, Deluxe Hosehead, and Selects Deluxe Siren, and leakers have been hinting/indicating that those figures are still planned and just got pushed further down the pipeline, so there's that late G1 you ordered.

There's still time for Legacy to be worked into a proper trilogy. Originally Prime Wars was the name of the third part of the trilogy until just before Power of the Primes was announced and Prime Wars became the official name of the trilogy. We went nearly three years (because CW was an long line) before we knew what the actual name of the trilogy was called. Same could happen here, Legacy could be the name of the first part and Evolution could be moved to the second part or it could even become the Evolution Trilogy celebrating past (Legacy) present and future.

Emerje

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if they abandoned the whole Trilogy thing, Studio Series has been continuing strong with the same name for the last 4 (?) years and Hasbro might not see the need to rebrand Generations every year anymore.

The Prime Wars Trilogy analogy is also fitting for the Unicron Trilogy. Armada wasn't planned to be the first line of three. It just happened that way, with the official name of the trilogy being given retroactively in 2009.

Autobot N wrote:Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if they abandoned the whole Trilogy thing, Studio Series has been continuing strong with the same name for the last 4 (?) years and Hasbro might not see the need to rebrand Generations every year anymore.

We've also had a change in design team leadership since the WFC Trilogy, so the new head may not feel obligated to repeat with another trilogy.

-Kanrabat- wrote:I'll post this again.



It works perfectly.
A custom worth making if I find a second Bulkhead on sale and a junker AoE/TlK Hound.

Literally Only the head needs to be swapped. Or, just take a permanent marker and draw lines on Bulkhead's chin and give him Kup's cygar. Done.

Sabrblade wrote:The Prime Wars Trilogy analogy is also fitting for the Unicron Trilogy. Armada wasn't planned to be the first line of three. It just happened that way, with the official name of the trilogy being given retroactively in 2009.

And wasn't that just here in the US? In Japan they were 3 complete separate series with a few minor details referencing the previous show, IIRC. It's been a while since I've seen MD/SL/GF.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:The Prime Wars Trilogy analogy is also fitting for the Unicron Trilogy. Armada wasn't planned to be the first line of three. It just happened that way, with the official name of the trilogy being given retroactively in 2009.

And wasn't that just here in the US? In Japan they were 3 complete separate series with a few minor details referencing the previous show, IIRC. It's been a while since I've seen MD/SL/GF.

Negative. Prior to both Superlink and Galaxy Force, Takara released special promo DVDs that bridged the gaps between Legends of the Microns and Superlink and between Superlink and Galaxy Force:




Although, when Galaxy Force started airing properly, it initially pretended like it was another reboot before Takara later clarified that, yes, it too was supposed to be another sequel.

I see. I've never seen those, and it's been 6-7 years since I watched Micron Densetsu and Super-Link. I rewatched Galaxy Force a couple of years ago with English subs because it's my favorite of the 3.

Anyway, back to actual Legacy discussion, are there any rumors regarding any other "leader" figures after Prime, Galvy and Blitzwing? I seem to have skimmed over any waves 2-4 talk...

Rodimus Prime wrote:Anyway, back to actual Legacy discussion, are there any rumors regarding any other "leader" figures after Prime, Galvy and Blitzwing? I seem to have skimmed over any waves 2-4 talk...

Only other retail Leader is Dragon Megatron.

SKIIIIIDDDDSSS! Was slated to sow up on Saturday, but came early - Gratefully accepted!

sol magnus wrote:SKIIIIIDDDDSSS! Was slated to sow up on Saturday, but came early - Gratefully accepted!

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Same with mine, hopefully it'll be there when I get home today.

My Springstern 5 will be complete!

Man these pic of Skids are making me regret not pre-ordering. Although 1st wave usually show up in stores fairly regular. I just cant decide on him, I really love my Legends Skids and not sure if this is better. Legends Skids is just enough G1 with that IDW awesomeness and so many fond memories of MtMtE I have. Only problem is his articulation is a bit weak with the arms. Guess I need more in hand pics and maybe looking at the figure in store.

I will have Kickback and Dragstrip coming soon I hope. Cant wait to see the full Menasor. Is anyone else keeping the PW Trilogy Insecticons as clones or are you guys selling them?

Another thing I was wanting to know and I'm sure someone here does. Is Victory Saber gonna be under the Legacy line? I am so super to finally get him. This is my first HasLab and the wait is rough.

Moonshot wrote:Man these pic of Skids are making me regret not pre-ordering. Although 1st wave usually show up in stores fairly regular. I just cant decide on him, I really love my Legends Skids and not sure if this is better. Legends Skids is just enough G1 with that IDW awesomeness and so many fond memories of MtMtE I have. Only problem is his articulation is a bit weak with the arms. Guess I need more in hand pics and maybe looking at the figure in store.

I will have Kickback and Dragstrip coming soon I hope. Cant wait to see the full Menasor. Is anyone else keeping the PW Trilogy Insecticons as clones or are you guys selling them?

Another thing I was wanting to know and I'm sure someone here does. Is Victory Saber gonna be under the Legacy line? I am so super to finally get him. This is my first HasLab and the wait is rough.

Can't help on the choice between T30 Skids or this one, but this one is really good. Star Saber will indeed be a "Legacy" release.

Emerje wrote:

Nemesis Primal wrote:

Sentinel_Primal wrote:Have we heard anything concrete about if Legacy is lasting more than one year? Cause I can't remember hearing anything outside of rumors, but if it does, I hope we get some more late G1/JG1, specifically some bigger Pretenders.

All we've heard is that Legacy was originally rumored to be a trilogy again with the subtitle of Evolution for part 1, and now the figures are releasing without any mention of a trilogy or a subtitle but with Evolution still included in a number of the figures' listings as if that rumor was true but plans changed.

The initial Legacy rumors also said we'd be getting Leader Straxus, Deluxe Nightbeat, Deluxe Hosehead, and Selects Deluxe Siren, and leakers have been hinting/indicating that those figures are still planned and just got pushed further down the pipeline, so there's that late G1 you ordered.

There's still time for Legacy to be worked into a proper trilogy. Originally Prime Wars was the name of the third part of the trilogy until just before Power of the Primes was announced and Prime Wars became the official name of the trilogy. We went nearly three years (because CW was an long line) before we knew what the actual name of the trilogy was called. Same could happen here, Legacy could be the name of the first part and Evolution could be moved to the second part or it could even become the Evolution Trilogy celebrating past (Legacy) present and future.

Emerje

Please, PLEASE let the next chapter or this trilogy be called Evolution, just so I can post this every day

I'm loving this little guy! So much so, he's staying in car mode for a while.

Thought that was a black Diaclone version for a second.

Sabrblade wrote:Although, when Galaxy Force started airing properly, it initially pretended like it was another reboot before Takara later clarified that, yes, it too was supposed to be another sequel.

They can frame it however they like. Common sense when watching the shows both in Japanese and English is pretty telling that it works better as a Duology ( Armada/Micron progressed naturally into Energon/Super link) where as Cybertron/ Galaxy Force is clearly in a separate continuity. Those visuals inserted into the cartoon network broadcast of the Last scene of the Last episode make no sense.

Also after having a race of sentient robots build multiple cities on earth, then a decade later, all of Earth's population forgets they even exist...kind of silly .

But as for Legacy, there dosen't appear to be a trilogy theme like Prime Wars or WFC. I guess we'll find out next year if what comes next is connected. Although having no media tie-in, I guess not dosen't really matter.

o.supreme wrote:But as for Legacy, there dosen't appear to be a trilogy theme like Prime Wars or WFC. I guess we'll find out next year if what comes next is connected. Although having no media tie-in, I guess not dosen't really matter.

As long as they keep more or less the same design aesthetic and scale it doesn't matter to me. Media tie-ins are a bonus at this point.

o.supreme wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Although, when Galaxy Force started airing properly, it initially pretended like it was another reboot before Takara later clarified that, yes, it too was supposed to be another sequel.

They can frame it however they like. Common sense when watching the shows both in Japanese and English is pretty telling that it works better as a Duology ( Armada/Micron progressed naturally into Energon/Super link) where as Cybertron/ Galaxy Force is clearly in a separate continuity. Those visuals inserted into the cartoon network broadcast of the Last scene of the Last episode make no sense.

Also after having a race of sentient robots build multiple cities on earth, then a decade later, all of Earth's population forgets they even exist...kind of silly

It is, although it wouldn't be the first time (*side-eyes Masterforce, which borderline goes there*)...
However, that wasn't how things were supposed to go. Cybertron was meant to be a further continuation, which can be seen in not only that external promotion framing it as one but also at the visual design level - multiple characters have features carried over from the previous designs (Red Alert and Hot Shot's heads, Jetfire's head and faux shuttle bay doors, Starscream's shoulder stripes, Optimus' gun being a fire truck-ized Energon Blaster, etc.), and the destroyed bits of Unicron floating around in flashbacks are also telling. But the blasted Japanese writing team went off the rails, and unlike when they tried to do the same with Super Link... this time they weren't caught and slapped down in time to prevent the continuity breach. Oy... The dub salvaged certain things from the original intent, such as the idea that yes, the evil destroyed was Unicron and that's where Megatron got his armor, but it didn't try to forcibly repair the direct sequel connection; that would have been a lost cause.

I personally think salvaging the connection by, say, having the black hole be a result of the Cybertron cast defeating Unicron offscreen in their universe at the same time as his demise fueling the creation of the Energon Sun in Energon would have been a smoother solution than what Aaron Archer went with: saying "improperly killing a god snarled up spacetime" (even if that kind of thing does make sense as a consequence of such) to keep it as the direct sequel it was supposed to be. But the latter is what we got, and Takara ultimately decided to follow suit.

Sabrblade wrote:Though that was a black Diaclone version for a second.

no, just bad lighting. Sorry.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

o.supreme wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Although, when Galaxy Force started airing properly, it initially pretended like it was another reboot before Takara later clarified that, yes, it too was supposed to be another sequel.

They can frame it however they like. Common sense when watching the shows both in Japanese and English is pretty telling that it works better as a Duology ( Armada/Micron progressed naturally into Energon/Super link) where as Cybertron/ Galaxy Force is clearly in a separate continuity. Those visuals inserted into the cartoon network broadcast of the Last scene of the Last episode make no sense.

Also after having a race of sentient robots build multiple cities on earth, then a decade later, all of Earth's population forgets they even exist...kind of silly

It is, although it wouldn't be the first time (*side-eyes Masterforce, which borderline goes there*)...
However, that wasn't how things were supposed to go. Cybertron was meant to be a further continuation, which can be seen in not only that external promotion framing it as one but also at the visual design level - multiple characters have features carried over from the previous designs (Red Alert and Hot Shot's heads, Jetfire's head and faux shuttle bay doors, Starscream's shoulder stripes, Optimus' gun being a fire truck-ized Energon Blaster, etc.), and the destroyed bits of Unicron floating around in flashbacks are also telling. But the blasted Japanese writing team went off the rails, and unlike when they tried to do the same with Super Link... this time they weren't caught and slapped down in time to prevent the continuity breach. Oy... The dub salvaged certain things from the original intent, such as the idea that yes, the evil destroyed was Unicron and that's where Megatron got his armor, but it didn't try to forcibly repair the direct sequel connection; that would have been a lost cause.

I personally think salvaging the connection by, say, having the black hole be a result of the Cybertron cast defeating Unicron offscreen in their universe at the same time as his demise fueling the creation of the Energon Sun in Energon would have been a smoother solution than what Aaron Archer went with: saying "improperly killing a god snarled up spacetime" (even if that kind of thing does make sense as a consequence of such) to keep it as the direct sequel it was supposed to be. But the latter is what we got, and Takara ultimately decided to follow suit.

Hasbro copywriter Forrest Lee did try to smooth things over further by claiming that the black hole was also warping reality, messing with people's memories of history.

Though, something that was completely Galaxy Force's fault was, surprisingly, Bud instantly knowing what a Transformer is upon first seeing Landmine's unconscious body on Earth in the Japanese version of Episode 1, making it seem as if Bud was already familiar with the Transformer race before Landmine comes back online to tell him, Coby, and Lori who or what he is. This, also surprisingly, was not retained in the English Cybertron dub.

sol magnus wrote:

o.supreme wrote:But as for Legacy, there dosen't appear to be a trilogy theme like Prime Wars or WFC. I guess we'll find out next year if what comes next is connected. Although having no media tie-in, I guess not dosen't really matter.

As long as they keep more or less the same design aesthetic and scale it doesn't matter to me. Media tie-ins are a bonus at this point.

Who knows? Netflix isn't the end-all be-all. Perhaps some other venue might pick up a Legacy-related series. Maybe the next comic book licensee might do something with Legacy after IDW's license expires later this year.

sol magnus wrote:As long as they keep more or less the same design aesthetic and scale it doesn't matter to me. Media tie-ins are a bonus at this point.

Very true
I also understand I am the exception to the rule. Most kids and adults to this day find the toy collecting aspect the best part of these franchise. For me personally Animation is #1, then the toys, then comics. I only ever collected MOTU and TF as toys, but I have dozens of shows from the 70s- early 200s on DVD because I enjoy watching them ( so many free advertising dollars wasted on me)

Which is also why it frustrated me personally that there hasn't been t TF show I could really enjoy in a decade ( ironically as much as I loved the Prime TV series, I never bought a single toy)...go figure