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Sabrblade wrote:Who knows? Netflix isn't the end-all be-all. Perhaps some other venue might pick up a Legacy-related series. Maybe the next comic book licensee might do something with Legacy after IDW's license expires later this year.sol magnus wrote:o.supreme wrote:But as for Legacy, there dosen't appear to be a trilogy theme like Prime Wars or WFC. I guess we'll find out next year if what comes next is connected. Although having no media tie-in, I guess not dosen't really matter.
As long as they keep more or less the same design aesthetic and scale it doesn't matter to me. Media tie-ins are a bonus at this point.
o.supreme wrote:sol magnus wrote:As long as they keep more or less the same design aesthetic and scale it doesn't matter to me. Media tie-ins are a bonus at this point.
Very true
I also understand I am the exception to the rule. Most kids and adults to this day find the toy collecting aspect the best part of these franchise. For me personally Animation is #1, then the toys, then comics. I only ever collected MOTU and TF as toys, but I have dozens of shows from the 70s- early 200s on DVD because I enjoy watching them ( so many free advertising dollars wasted on me)![]()
Which is also why it frustrated me personally that there hasn't been t TF show I could really enjoy in a decade ( ironically as much as I loved the Prime TV series, I never bought a single toy)...go figure
o.supreme wrote:( ironically as much as I loved the Prime TV series, I never bought a single toy)
TRANSFORMERS G1-INSPIRED DESIGN: This Transformers: Legacy 5.5-inch Crankcase robot toy is inspired by the animated series, The Transformers, updated with a Generations-style design
UNIVERSES COLLIDE: Universes collide with Transformers: Legacy! This epic line of Transformers toys brings together fan-favorite characters from across the Transformers multiverse
2 EPIC MODES: Crankcase action figure converts from robot to off-road vehicle mode in 14 steps. Remove the front grill of vehicle mode to reveal a large blaster accessory
HARNESS THE POWER OF ENERGON: Gear up with the most powerful substance on Cybertron, Energon! This Transformers Crankcase figure comes with an Energon blaster accessory that attaches in both modes
SCAN THE CODE: Scan the code on each package to reveal character tech specs from across the multiverse! Collect other Legacy figures to reveal their character tech specs (each sold separately, subject to availability)
That toy was originally meant to be in the 2008-2009 Universe line, but Walmart demanded more Movie toys, so Hasbro gave Crankcase, Fracture, Breakaway, Jolt, Big Daddy, Divebomb, and Grindcore all Movie packaging ad toy bios to satisfy Walmart's demands.Overcracker wrote:Interesting... retool of Skids? Or something else entirely?
The last time we got a Crankcase update it was a really good attempt in the Allspark Power Bay movie sub-line of all places.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
To be fair, the Cybertron redecoes in that line were originally intended to be Universe-branded but Mall-Wart wanted them in the movie packaging instead.Overcracker wrote:Interesting... retool of Skids? Or something else entirely?
The last time we got a Crankcase update it was a really good attempt in the Allspark Power Bay movie sub-line of all places.
SpaceEagle wrote:Oh huh, he won't be a retool of Skids? I hope I'm not reading this wrong heheh, but that's honestly good that Crankcase will be getting proper love instead of being a sloppy second head swap.
Leakers said Crankcase would be a new mold back in September.Overcracker wrote:Interesting... retool of Skids? Or something else entirely?
Nemesis Primal wrote:SpaceEagle wrote:Oh huh, he won't be a retool of Skids? I hope I'm not reading this wrong heheh, but that's honestly good that Crankcase will be getting proper love instead of being a sloppy second head swap.Leakers said Crankcase would be a new mold back in September.Overcracker wrote:Interesting... retool of Skids? Or something else entirely?
Considering Hasbro already seems to be taking Override-from-Hot-Rod from 3rd-party stuff, I'm hoping this guy leads to a new Ironfist in addition to looking good in his own right.
Idiotically so, considering the different transformation of that 3P Hot Rod.Nemesis Primal wrote:SpaceEagle wrote:Oh huh, he won't be a retool of Skids? I hope I'm not reading this wrong heheh, but that's honestly good that Crankcase will be getting proper love instead of being a sloppy second head swap.Leakers said Crankcase would be a new mold back in September.Overcracker wrote:Interesting... retool of Skids? Or something else entirely?
Considering Hasbro already seems to be taking Override-from-Hot-Rod from 3rd-party stuff,
Considering Crankcase doesn't have a hood chest, Hound or JP93 would be better bases for Ironfist.Nemesis Primal wrote:I'm hoping this guy leads to a new Ironfist in addition to looking good in his own right.
Oh I would prefer a new mold as well, I'm just attempting to keep my hopes realistic and would gladly take Ironfist being a retool if the alternative is no Ironfist. They already turned Spinister into Rotorstorm and people were speculating the currently unspecified Bulkhead reuse in the Wreckers exclusives could be Pyro, I feel like this would be in line with those.SpaceEagle wrote:Ah, right, forgot about the leaks saying that. Personally I'd much rather prefer a new mold for Ironfist if HasTak loves us that much...an Ironfist from Crankcase wouldn't be bad as long as they made it look more like a Humvee (as much as genericism allows, of course)
Your irrational hatred of the figure no one has seen yet has been well-documented by this point, yes.ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Idiotically so, considering the different transformation of that 3P Hot Rod.
Everyone who I've heard got the Jurassic Park set said that JP93 sucked, so I would hope that mold never be reused (plus it would be too big for Ironfist). As for Hound, the bot mode would match better, but the alt mode would be off. I feel like a fake/implied hood chest would be easier to implement than an alt mode reshell, since I'm assuming Ironfist would happen as a Selects or similar exclusive (especially given, again, Rotorstorm). Plus, we don't yet know if Crankcase has the backpack gun gimmick yet, but if he does, that would serve as a closer approximation to what Ironfist has than anything the Hound mold comes with.ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Considering Crankcase doesn't have a hood chest, Hound or JP93 would be better bases for Ironfist.
...Nemesis Primal wrote:Your irrational hatred of the figure no one has seen yet has been well-documented by this point, yes.ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Idiotically so, considering the different transformation of that 3P Hot Rod.
Considering that mold would need to be reshelled at asbolute minimum to be repurposed at all anyway, hopefully it would come with better arms if it did. And why would it be too big?Nemesis Primal wrote:Everyone who I've heard got the Jurassic Park set said that JP93 sucked, so I would hope that mold never be reused (plus it would be too big for Ironfist).ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Considering Crankcase doesn't have a hood chest, Hound or JP93 would be better bases for Ironfist.
I dunno, SIEGE Hound's silhouette seems closer to a Humvee than Crankcase's Land Cruiser-esque silhouette (assuming his new toy retains that).Nemesis Primal wrote:As for Hound, the bot mode would match better, but the alt mode would be off. I feel like a fake/implied hood chest would be easier to implement than an alt mode reshell, since I'm assuming Ironfist would happen as a Selects or similar exclusive (especially given, again, Rotorstorm).
How so? What Ironfist had was a big turret that became a stand-supported gun, so neither is super-close there IMO.Nemesis Primal wrote:Plus, we don't yet know if Crankcase has the backpack gun gimmick yet, but if he does, that would serve as a closer approximation to what Ironfist has than anything the Hound mold comes with.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Nemesis Primal wrote:Everyone who I've heard got the Jurassic Park set said that JP93 sucked, so I would hope that mold never be reused (plus it would be too big for Ironfist). As for Hound, the bot mode would match better, but the alt mode would be off. I feel like a fake/implied hood chest would be easier to implement than an alt mode reshell, since I'm assuming Ironfist would happen as a Selects or similar exclusive (especially given, again, Rotorstorm). Plus, we don't yet know if Crankcase has the backpack gun gimmick yet, but if he does, that would serve as a closer approximation to what Ironfist has than anything the Hound mold comes with.ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Considering Crankcase doesn't have a hood chest, Hound or JP93 would be better bases for Ironfist.
Sabrblade wrote:I mean, Hasbro has already shown with Prime Arcee and Bulkhead that they're willing to make unfaithful redesigns of non-G1 characters to give them a more G1 aesthetic. Chances are Override will be similarly G1-ified to look only kinda like her original Cybertron design.
-Kanrabat- wrote:Cybertron Override was a horrible, horrible toy. I sold it without regrets.
About HIS bizarre gender-swapping (Thank you, American dub for forcing females quotas) there could be TWO versions of Override. A male one as big and bulky racecar and his own original mold. And a female one who could be a heavily modded SS86 Blurr.
SpaceEagle wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:Cybertron Override was a horrible, horrible toy. I sold it without regrets.
About HIS bizarre gender-swapping (Thank you, American dub for forcing females quotas) there could be TWO versions of Override. A male one as big and bulky racecar and his own original mold. And a female one who could be a heavily modded SS86 Blurr.
I mean, they're robots - who the hell cares about their gender anyway?
-Kanrabat- wrote:SpaceEagle wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:Cybertron Override was a horrible, horrible toy. I sold it without regrets.
About HIS bizarre gender-swapping (Thank you, American dub for forcing females quotas) there could be TWO versions of Override. A male one as big and bulky racecar and his own original mold. And a female one who could be a heavily modded SS86 Blurr.
I mean, they're robots - who the hell cares about their gender anyway?
Because they made fembots a thing. Especially for those who looks feminine.
So we care about their genders because they ARE gendered.
The Transformers are no Daleks nor Cybermen.
SpaceEagle wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:SpaceEagle wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:Cybertron Override was a horrible, horrible toy. I sold it without regrets.
About HIS bizarre gender-swapping (Thank you, American dub for forcing females quotas) there could be TWO versions of Override. A male one as big and bulky racecar and his own original mold. And a female one who could be a heavily modded SS86 Blurr.
I mean, they're robots - who the hell cares about their gender anyway?
Because they made fembots a thing. Especially for those who looks feminine.
So we care about their genders because they ARE gendered.
The Transformers are no Daleks nor Cybermen.
I was speaking metaphorically, I think we're all well aware about how awkwardly fembots were introduced in the cartoon
See, you're pre-judging the figure based on a gripe you have with the Hot Rod mold and the fact that you at least seem to want as close to 100% accuracy to the original Override design as possible, or at least that's how it reads to me. I am waiting to see the actual figure before making these kinds of judgements, since I don't care about 100% accuracy, I just care about it looking good to me and looking enough like Override to work for me. Considering the Velocitron line is supposed to be the replacement for the Netflix line, and the Netflix line had the retooling budget to replace 3/4ths of Soundwave's parts, I have belief that they CAN make a decent Override in this scenario, we just have to wait and see. They're using Warpath to make Cosmos, radical retools seem to clearly be on the table here.ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Unless there's an extreme degree of alternate tooling baked into the mold, there is no way that SS86 Hot Rod can become anything more than a sloppy second head swap (to borrow your term) Override. The transformation design is too different. The build of the arms and legs is too different.
The 3P thing worked because in modelling Hot Rod's IDW design the look and transformation scheme wound up being close to Override's (curvy, feet at the front, etc). That is not the case with SS86 Hot Rod. SS86 Hot Rod's design bends over backwards and cheats with a faux-parts chest (that there is zero room to swap with a convincing imitation of Override's cockpit chest) to get a hyper screen-accurate Hot Rod in both robot and vehicle modes, and is thus inherently specialized to that. He could be retooled into an okay Hot Shot (because Cybertron Hot Shot was himself a heavy homage to Hot Rod, to the point of having a stylized representation of Hot Rod's hood chest in robot mode), but Override? I don't see how that's happening in any sort of satisfactory way. An angularized Override as a heavy retool of SIEGE Springer seems more feasible than pulling off a good one from SS86 Hot Rod (although only so much of an improvement).
And it bugs me that they're branding the line "Velocitron" but apparently phoning in Override.
From what I've seen, that mold is around Hoist/Ironhide/Rotorstorm height, so the large end of Deluxe, whereas Ironfist's only media appearances in the comics have put him at average Deluxe height or below and definitively shorter than Rotorstorm.ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Considering that mold would need to be reshelled at asbolute minimum to be repurposed at all anyway, hopefully it would come with better arms if it did. And why would it be too big?
If we're going for as-accurate-an-Ironfist-as-possible (which is I think what you're arguing for, but again, I could be misconstruing that), then they would still have to retool the whole backpack if not half the figure to give it an enclosed cab and the boxier back half. I don't see Hasbro doing that and a new head for a comic-only character like Ironfist unless that remold was planned from the start, and I'm assuming the remold that would be planned for Hound would be a more-G1 Earth mode version, which isn't the same Jeep and wouldn't solve most of that. Crankcase is already a self-enclosed boxy Jeep-thing, at least, so the only retooling needed would be the new head and maybe a fake hood-chest panel (if they didn't just paint it on like Rotorstorm).ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I dunno, SIEGE Hound's silhouette seems closer to a Humvee than Crankcase's Land Cruiser-esque silhouette (assuming his new toy retains that).
It was, but 90% of the time it was shown in the comics he just carried it around as a backpack. I'm pretty sure he only used it in Wreckers once and it was right at the beginning, and I think he used it more in the FunPub stuff but that's had way less exposure. With that in mind, then if they do Ironfist as a minimal-remolding new head repaint like Rotorstorm, I assume they would go for him having a big gun backpack but not actually prioritize it being functional as a removable turret. Depending on how they implement Crankcase, they may at the very least match in terms of having large gun backpacks and/or a way to plug the large rifle into the backpack to make a large gun backpack. Hound, meanwhile, has no real way of making his guns stick up over his head if you plug them into his back unless you use both of them pegged together (I checked on Selects Hot Shot a ways back), let alone a bulky backpack.ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:How so? What Ironfist had was a big turret that became a stand-supported gun, so neither is super-close there IMO.
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