Rated X wrote:Im not a huge fan of how hasbros taking on the pretenders for potp. I liked the old way funpub started with the shell becoming the robot. Granted that was a total fail for the autobot human characters. So this scale makes sense. But I cant help feel like this scale will cheat us of ever getting real figures of these characters. These things feel more like kids meal toys than something that should be sold as part of a main line. Same thing with the titan masters that didn't get actual bodies.
Carnivius_Prime wrote:Rated X wrote:Im not a huge fan of how hasbros taking on the pretenders for potp. I liked the old way funpub started with the shell becoming the robot. Granted that was a total fail for the autobot human characters. So this scale makes sense. But I cant help feel like this scale will cheat us of ever getting real figures of these characters. These things feel more like kids meal toys than something that should be sold as part of a main line. Same thing with the titan masters that didn't get actual bodies.
Yeah I'd like the Pretender concept revisited properly sometime.
Carnivius_Prime wrote:Rated X wrote:Im not a huge fan of how hasbros taking on the pretenders for potp. I liked the old way funpub started with the shell becoming the robot. Granted that was a total fail for the autobot human characters. So this scale makes sense. But I cant help feel like this scale will cheat us of ever getting real figures of these characters. These things feel more like kids meal toys than something that should be sold as part of a main line. Same thing with the titan masters that didn't get actual bodies.
Yeah I'd like the Pretender concept revisited properly sometime.
Overcracker wrote:Carnivius_Prime wrote:Rated X wrote:Im not a huge fan of how hasbros taking on the pretenders for potp. I liked the old way funpub started with the shell becoming the robot. Granted that was a total fail for the autobot human characters. So this scale makes sense. But I cant help feel like this scale will cheat us of ever getting real figures of these characters. These things feel more like kids meal toys than something that should be sold as part of a main line. Same thing with the titan masters that didn't get actual bodies.
Yeah I'd like the Pretender concept revisited properly sometime.
Like how?
The only difference between these and the original concept is size. Otherwise the function is identical, and these get the benefit of an added weapon mode for the shell.
Not sure how Hasbro would market static shells with smaller robots that turn into non-descript vehicles inside in a larger scale to modern audiences.
If anything the Mega Pretenders may be more marketable in a larger scale, with transforming shells, and a combination gimmick between the shell and inner robot in vehicle mode.
Nightbeat339 wrote:I would love if Waverider was sold individually, just like the other Prime Masters. He's my favorite pretender so I've been hoping they'd release some new version of him.
Overcracker wrote:The only difference between these and the original concept is size. Otherwise the function is identical, and these get the benefit of an added weapon mode for the shell.
Carnivius_Prime wrote:Overcracker wrote:The only difference between these and the original concept is size. Otherwise the function is identical, and these get the benefit of an added weapon mode for the shell.
So after 30 years of toy technology progress the only thing Hasbro could think up to reimagine the Pretender concept was to shrink them down into tiny little figures that turn into crappy looking Targetmaster weapons? Add to that the characters seem to be messed up (the Skullgrin inner robot being Liege Maximo even though it resembles Skullgrin himself and that they turn into mostly goofy Titan Master heads just really kill it for me. Not saying the vehicle modes of the original Pretenders were works of art and most were just folded over limbs but I had a fondness for some such as Cloudburst and Landmine's alt-modes that could be redone to look better with better transformations while still keeping a robot that could be compressed into an outer shell. I dunno maybe with a shell that's like an Iron Man-sorta suit that is applied in pieces where perhaps the robot's arm and leg joints extend out to accomodate the extra room needed for the articulation of the shell's limbs. The shell could still then be seperated put together by itself, perhaps not having the same level of articulation afforded by clipping the pieces to the robot but still clipping together to have at least as much as the original Pretender shell if not more (could have turning waist joint and hip joints done like the shoulders. Just wish they'd something with some imagination and creativity. These new figures just look like cheap-looking lazy crap to me that definitely don't even feel 3 years worth superior to the original Pretenders, let alone 30.
Carnivius_Prime wrote:
Yeah I'd like the Pretender concept revisited properly sometime.
Flashwave wrote:Overcracker wrote:Carnivius_Prime wrote:Rated X wrote:Im not a huge fan of how hasbros taking on the pretenders for potp. I liked the old way funpub started with the shell becoming the robot. Granted that was a total fail for the autobot human characters. So this scale makes sense. But I cant help feel like this scale will cheat us of ever getting real figures of these characters. These things feel more like kids meal toys than something that should be sold as part of a main line. Same thing with the titan masters that didn't get actual bodies.
Yeah I'd like the Pretender concept revisited properly sometime.
Like how?
The only difference between these and the original concept is size. Otherwise the function is identical, and these get the benefit of an added weapon mode for the shell.
Not sure how Hasbro would market static shells with smaller robots that turn into non-descript vehicles inside in a larger scale to modern audiences.
If anything the Mega Pretenders may be more marketable in a larger scale, with transforming shells, and a combination gimmick between the shell and inner robot in vehicle mode.
And we are sorta dancing around that with the Evolution Leader Class figures. its not exact, as the outer shell is an otherwise lifeless trailer, but thats only a short hop away.
Carnivius-Prime wrote:
So after 30 years of toy technology progress the only thing Hasbro could think up to reimagine the Pretender concept was to shrink them down into tiny little figures that turn into crappy looking Targetmaster weapons? Add to that the characters seem to be messed up (the Skullgrin inner robot being Liege Maximo even though it resembles Skullgrin himself and that they turn into mostly goofy Titan Master heads just really kill it for me. Not saying the vehicle modes of the original Pretenders were works of art and most were just folded over limbs but I had a fondness for some such as Cloudburst and Landmine's alt-modes that could be redone to look better with better transformations while still keeping a robot that could be compressed into an outer shell. I dunno maybe with a shell that's like an Iron Man-sorta suit that is applied in pieces where perhaps the robot's arm and leg joints extend out to accomodate the extra room needed for the articulation of the shell's limbs. The shell could still then be seperated put together by itself, perhaps not having the same level of articulation afforded by clipping the pieces to the robot but still clipping together to have at least as much as the original Pretender shell if not more (could have turning waist joint and hip joints done like the shoulders. Just wish they'd something with some imagination and creativity. These new figures just look like cheap-looking lazy crap to me that definitely don't even feel 3 years worth superior to the original Pretenders, let alone 30.
Kurona wrote:At a tiny size and price point, with a feature of turning into a weapon and bundled with the big-name 13... I think that's the only way these could get done.
bodrock wrote:I'll most likely buy all the Prime Masters when they finally arrive -- I can't wait!
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:bodrock wrote:I'll most likely buy all the Prime Masters when they finally arrive -- I can't wait!
At the very least I'm geting the classic 6 plus Metalhawk, just for the suits.
william-james88 wrote:Are you ready for some new Transformers Generations rumours? The last list was from a while back so I think we are overdue. These rumours all come from a post on 4 chan so take all of these with a grain of salt and it will be fun to see what pans out. The reason we are newsing this now is because some rumblings from toyfair seem to back part of it up, especially the mention of smaller figures still being a part of the next line.
These rumours mostly concern the last part of the trilogy, Power of the Primes which is due out in stores January 2018, but there is also mention of Titans Return since there will possibly be transition figures like Buzzsaw in Combiner Wars.
Here is the text found above if you have trouble reading it:Prime Wars next Gimmick is toys to life. Download an App and scan the card that comes with the figure onto your iphone. Play "stages"(it's unkown what type of game it's going to be) using said character.
Titanmasters will be replaced by equally smaller guys. They won't be headmasters but closer to Micromasters that become target masters or weapon platforms.
Legends will still be able to cart the tiny men around
Prime Wars will still be mostly 88-89 crew. Things like Turbomasters will show up from time to time.
All 5 Dinobots will be made
as well as the remaining 3 insecticons will appear. Ransack will show up towards the end of TR as will Barrage. Venom will either be Wave 6 of TR or Wave 1 of PW. He's like Buzzsaw in CW where he may not be able to fit into wave 1.
Scorponok will be Next Titan after Trypticon
TR Arcee is just a repaint of TR Loudmouth
Sigma Magnus wrote:Thanks to Autovolt on Twitter, we've been alerted to a post on 4chan that supposedly reveals some previously unknown information about the upcoming Power of the Primes line! Take it with a grain of salt, however - this is in no way a confirmation. The post itself is below, as well as a transcript in case it's too small to read. Check it out, and let us know your thoughts in the Energon Pub!There's a Beast Wars subline to Power of the Primes next year. I work at Amazon and this will be a shared online exclusive. Us and BBTS.
No original molds, but we will get the Takara Blackarachnia mold in the US from it. Eight Deluxe and two Voyagers, Primal and Megatron. Primal is a retool of the PotP Apeface. Megatron is a retool of PotP Snapdragon. They won't have Titan Masters, so don't worry.
(The PotP Grimlock is Leader sized, so it was never a consideration to be retooled as Megatron.)
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:I can't help but wonder if one of the whole reasons for Hasbro even creating the human/monster-based Pretenders back in 1988 was to compete with the then-new-popular Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles series with all its mutant and human toys taking over the toy shelves in all the stores at the time.
That came out before Transformers.Kurona wrote:Sabrblade wrote:I can't help but wonder if one of the whole reasons for Hasbro even creating the human/monster-based Pretenders back in 1988 was to compete with the then-new-popular Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles series with all its mutant and human toys taking over the toy shelves in all the stores at the time.
Wasn't it because of He-Man?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Kurona wrote:Sabrblade wrote:I can't help but wonder if one of the whole reasons for Hasbro even creating the human/monster-based Pretenders back in 1988 was to compete with the then-new-popular Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles series with all its mutant and human toys taking over the toy shelves in all the stores at the time.
Wasn't it because of He-Man?
Either way there's no doubt that they come up with it for that sort of reason, no matter what franchises inspired them. The brand was starting to fail and they figured they needed to do what was popular with the kids.
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