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News Credits: 6188 · by **Va'al** » Sun Nov 26, 2017 7:38 pm

Much like for the Optimus Prime figure, newsed with its review here, we have recently seen in-hand images of the latest figures from Hasbro's Transformers Power of the Primes line, as shown in Hong Kong and Shanghai events with fans of the toys and the franchise. Once more via YouTuber Kevin Liu now we also have a full review (in Mandarin, and in addition to the previously seen clip by Liu) for the newest Voyager version of the Elected Supreme Ruler of Cybertron, the Chosen One, and general fan-favourite: Starscream.

The full video can be seen embedded below, but we've also included a couple of screenshots for those unable to watch right away, showing comparisons in jet mode with Masterpiece Starscream, and in robot mode with wave mate Grimlock, plus a look at all the stickers on the figure, the transformation, Prime Master compatibility, Prime Armor, torso mode, and a preliminary combination with Dreadwind and Aerialbots from the previous line of Combiner Wars. Check it all out!

News Credits: 4 · by **Quantum Surge** » Sun Nov 26, 2017 7:40 pm

Aside from how bad the stickers look on the off gray, I see some potential in this new Starscream.

News Credits: 4 · by **King Kuuga** » Sun Nov 26, 2017 7:55 pm

Skritz wrote:
bodrock wrote:If I'm being even more strict as a purist, I'd say "G1" died with Optimus Prime in The Movie, making Rodimus, Unicron, etc. my "G2"....
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You're just pushing your bias of disliking season 3 as some excuse to say 'its not the same show' as G1. That movie and the third season are very much part the same toyline, same show and were made by the same people. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean its not part of the G1 lineup. That is about as valid as me saying, for example, that Beast Hunters is not 'really' part of Transformers Prime or that anything from Age of Extinction is not 'really' part of the Bayverse. This is not the same as Beast Machine, for example, which had a different staff and was a soft reboot on the story and basically had little understanding of what came before.

Generation 1 functionally ended, brand-wise, when Generation 2 was a term coined for their first attempt a reboot which is where we got the term G1 to begin with. Now I'm sure we could argue that the japanese line and post cartoon and 'euro G1' may very well constitute a G1.5 so to speak which I'd very much agree.

Unless your excuse for saying season 3 isn't G1 is that its when they started making their own toy designs rather than just importing Diaclone. That would certainly be a more valid statement than simply saying 'G1 ended because I didn't like that part of it'.

Edit: I should point out that, as angry as this make you, I do consider Beast Wars to be part of G1. But not being G1. There is a difference. They are very much set within the same universe and continuity but these series and toylines are separated by a time gap but in universe and out universe.

Why are you trying to pick a fight? His first statement was "G1 to me ended in 1989, or 1990 if I'm feeling generous -- but I've acknowledged that "G1" has broadened its scope a bit, so I've adjust my head-canon as well....but I'm admittedly new to all the monkey business involving Beast Wars and beyond."
And before that he called Optimal Optimus a G1 figure, which you called him out on. Obviously he stopped following G1 before it actually ended and is just now getting back into the swing of things. What he actually said was that, if he's going to be extremely technical, HIS idea of a generation 1 and 2 of transformers would be when they literally passed the torch on to a new generation of characters in the movie, but he isn't imposing that idea onto anybody else. Chill out dude.

As for the toys..... I appreciate the idea of making a giant Optimus Prime out of his cab and trailer but it's just too much visual cheating to me. The actual Optimus Prime is about 99% fake kibble, since the only parts of him that are actually part of the truck are the leg wheels. Also the trailer transformation is just a giant shellformer. Maybe Rodimus will look better, otherwise, I'm staying away from leaders until Primal.

unless I decide to just get this guy to face off with my CW Megatron, since he's off my main CHUG shelf after I picked up a Classics Megs for cheap at a con.

by **Skritz** » Sun Nov 26, 2017 9:17 pm

Eh you're right, I came off as a bit too antagonistic.

News Credits: 226 · by **Burn** » Sun Nov 26, 2017 9:30 pm

Yes. Yes you did.

Most of us have our own little head cannons.

Personally I'd prefer laser eye beams but eh, whatever works I guess.

by **Aimless Misfire** » Sun Nov 26, 2017 9:50 pm

That Starscream looks like an upscaled Legends figure. Or a crappy KO. What the hell Hasbro???

News Credits: 11 · by **Overcracker** » Sun Nov 26, 2017 10:18 pm

Is it just me, or does Starscream's torso mode remind anyone else of Movie Starscream's robot mode?

News Credits: 4 · by **Quantum Surge** » Sun Nov 26, 2017 10:19 pm

Overcracker wrote:Is it just me, or does Starscream's torso mode remind anyone else of Movie Starscream's robot mode?

I agree with you on that; maybe Hasbro is trying to mimic the homage of Movie Starscream's face on Prime Starscream's chest.

by **Skritz** » Sun Nov 26, 2017 10:34 pm

So I was wondering, given that everything in those leaks proved true so far and with Elita-1 and Moonracer were shown as well as Fire/Novastar, what are the odds of the 'Female Autobots' having enough members to form a full combiner? Granted, this is not a team I'd want to primarily display combined, but it seems that if that specific Autobot team is getting some love might as well go all-out, no?

Chromia already got a Generations toy so I doubt she'll get a new one so my guess being that its either an incomplete team or they'll give a figure to Greenlight and Lancer. Part of me doubt it, given they are beyond obscure, but you gotta admit these would certainly help vary the palette a bit more from pastel colors.

News Credits: 23 · by **Madeus Prime** » Sun Nov 26, 2017 10:45 pm

Skritz wrote:Chromia already got a Generations toy so I doubt she'll get a new one so my guess being that its either an incomplete team or they'll give a figure to Greenlight and Lancer. Part of me doubt it, given they are beyond obscure, but you gotta admit these would certainly help vary the palette a bit more from pastel colors.

Yeah but Windblade got a Generations and TR figure...so who's to say we won't get a superior Chromia retool of Afterburner? :-?

Personally I'd prefer a boxier and less feminine looking Chromia.

by **Skritz** » Sun Nov 26, 2017 10:50 pm

Madeus Prime wrote:
Skritz wrote:Chromia already got a Generations toy so I doubt she'll get a new one so my guess being that its either an incomplete team or they'll give a figure to Greenlight and Lancer. Part of me doubt it, given they are beyond obscure, but you gotta admit these would certainly help vary the palette a bit more from pastel colors.

Yeah but Windblade got a Generations and TR figure...so who's to say we won't get a superior Chromia retool of Afterburner? Personally I'd prefer a boxier and less feminine looking Chromia.

Windblade is the character Hasbro is trying really hard to make us like. Chromia is just Chromia. Unfortunately.

News Credits: 23 · by **Madeus Prime** » Sun Nov 26, 2017 10:51 pm

Skritz wrote:
Madeus Prime wrote:
Skritz wrote:Chromia already got a Generations toy so I doubt she'll get a new one so my guess being that its either an incomplete team or they'll give a figure to Greenlight and Lancer. Part of me doubt it, given they are beyond obscure, but you gotta admit these would certainly help vary the palette a bit more from pastel colors.

Yeah but Windblade got a Generations and TR figure...so who's to say we won't get a superior Chromia retool of Afterburner? Personally I'd prefer a boxier and less feminine looking Chromia.

Windblade is the character Hasbro is trying really hard to make us like. Chromia is just Chromia. Unfortunately.

But she does have a toy out in the wild, making her a more likely candidate for Hasbro to pitch to non-collectors. Unlike Firestar or Moonracer who've never seen release in toy form.

by **Skritz** » Sun Nov 26, 2017 10:53 pm

Madeus Prime wrote:
Skritz wrote:
Madeus Prime wrote:
Skritz wrote:Chromia already got a Generations toy so I doubt she'll get a new one so my guess being that its either an incomplete team or they'll give a figure to Greenlight and Lancer. Part of me doubt it, given they are beyond obscure, but you gotta admit these would certainly help vary the palette a bit more from pastel colors.

Yeah but Windblade got a Generations and TR figure...so who's to say we won't get a superior Chromia retool of Afterburner? Personally I'd prefer a boxier and less feminine looking Chromia.

Windblade is the character Hasbro is trying really hard to make us like. Chromia is just Chromia. Unfortunately.

But she does have a toy out in the wild, making her a more likely candidate for Hasbro to pitch to non-collectors. Unlike Firestar or Moonracer who've never seen release in toy form.

Well I'm no marketing guy so I can't say for sure. I just know I'd like to see a serious retool of the Groove/Afterburner mold as Chromia if they plan to make a full team for Elita-1's gang.

News Credits: 23 · by **Madeus Prime** » Sun Nov 26, 2017 11:06 pm

Skritz wrote:Well I'm no marketing guy so I can't say for sure. I just know I'd like to see a serious retool of the Groove/Afterburner mold as Chromia if they plan to make a full team for Elita-1's gang.

As I said, same

I'm curious as to what her combined form will look like. That's to say the full combination. I really love the torso form of the Starscream mold and I'm excited to see what it's going to look like in her colors.

Just a reminder of what we have to be excited about...

News Credits: 251 · by **Mindmaster** » Sun Nov 26, 2017 11:20 pm

Was originally going to skip Starscream, but he’s warming up to me. Torso mode’s eh, but I like it. I’m really hoping they retool this into Leozack but I might be hoping too hard.

by **Skritz** » Sun Nov 26, 2017 11:32 pm

Mindmaster wrote:Was originally going to skip Starscream, but he’s warming up to me. Torso mode’s eh, but I like it. I’m really hoping they retool this into Leozack but I might be hoping too hard.

It would be nice but its unlikely given Liokaiser already saw release. Granted they could just release him as a torso exclusive to some retailer, with the implication that he replace angry green Sky Lynx 'Deszarus'.

News Credits: 251 · by **Mindmaster** » Sun Nov 26, 2017 11:38 pm

Skritz wrote:
Mindmaster wrote:Was originally going to skip Starscream, but he’s warming up to me. Torso mode’s eh, but I like it. I’m really hoping they retool this into Leozack but I might be hoping too hard.

It would be nice but its unlikely given Liokaiser already saw release. Granted they could just release him as a torso exclusive to some retailer, with the implication that he replace angry green Sky Lynx 'Deszarus'.

That’s actually what I was hoping for, and wouldn’t be surprised if it happened that way.

Worst case scenario, I grab a second one and get a buddy of mine (who’s a professional customizer) to do the dirty work for me.

by **Skritz** » Sun Nov 26, 2017 11:47 pm

Inferno is giving me the odd hope that PotP will see some more remolding and 'upgrade' to some CW molds. Oh sure, some will say it is lazy, but part of me think this is not inherently a bad thing if we are going to get some new combiner teams. Why do I do find such lazyness a good thing? Because it mean a wide range of molds if they can draw from the engineering of the past line and use some new molds. This is great if they want to make full teams with vehicular combiner limbs, as we already got molds for car, trucks, jets and all that, leaving open a chunk of the budget for these all-new molds which can allow for animalistic combiners (Volcanicus, Abominus, Monstructor and Piranacon). That way if they want to give more Autobot limbs to hang with Jazz and Inferno they can at a fraction of the cost. Same if they want to make a Turbomaster combiner because...hey...everything is a combiner these days!

Dreadwind is already a retooled Aerialbot, after all, and he wears it quite nicely from the looks of it.

Edit: I should point out I'm only in favor of this if the budget is spent remolding these pre-existing designs rather than just doing more repaint. Looking at YOU, Alpha-Vortex.

News Credits: 3 · by **bodrock** » Mon Nov 27, 2017 2:03 am

Skritz wrote:
bodrock wrote:If I'm being even more strict as a purist, I'd say "G1" died with Optimus Prime in The Movie, making Rodimus, Unicron, etc. my "G2"....
IMG_7292.JPG

You're just pushing your bias of disliking season 3 as some excuse to say 'its not the same show' as G1. That movie and the third season are very much part the same toyline, same show and were made by the same people. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean its not part of the G1 lineup. That is about as valid as me saying, for example, that Beast Hunters is not 'really' part of Transformers Prime or that anything from Age of Extinction is not 'really' part of the Bayverse. This is not the same as Beast Machine, for example, which had a different staff and was a soft reboot on the story and basically had little understanding of what came before.

Generation 1 functionally ended, brand-wise, when Generation 2 was a term coined for their first attempt a reboot which is where we got the term G1 to begin with. Now I'm sure we could argue that the japanese line and post cartoon and 'euro G1' may very well constitute a G1.5 so to speak which I'd very much agree.

Unless your excuse for saying season 3 isn't G1 is that its when they started making their own toy designs rather than just importing Diaclone. That would certainly be a more valid statement than simply saying 'G1 ended because I didn't like that part of it'.

Edit: I should point out that, as angry as this make you, I do consider Beast Wars to be part of G1. But not being G1. There is a difference. They are very much set within the same universe and continuity but these series and toylines are separated by a time gap but in universe and out universe.

I apologize if I came off in any way to offend, Skritz. I also only recently got back into collecting and Transformers in general, thanks to Combiner Wars.

I like Season 3, honestly. Sure, my world was a bit shattered after the death of Optimus, so for me, the new cast of characters after The Movie were literally a new generation (not what the general fandom may call G2!). I never read the UK comics or watched Victory. All I know about them I learned from TFWiki.

Since joining these boards, my definition of "G1" has expanded, and I say we're in alignment on BW being part of G1, but isn't G1. And that's after only 5 episodes into the first season of Beast Wars (I've already been spoiled on the "tie-in")! ;)^

by **Skritz** » Mon Nov 27, 2017 2:27 am

bodrock wrote:I apologize if I came off in any way to offend, Skritz. I also only recently got back into collecting and Transformers in general, thanks to Combiner Wars.

I like Season 3, honestly. Sure, my world was a bit shattered after the death of Optimus, so for me, the new cast of characters after The Movie were literally a new generation (not what the general fandom may call G2!). I never read the UK comics or watched Victory. All I know about them I learned from TFWiki.

Since joining these boards, my definition of "G1" has expanded, and I say we're in alignment on BW being part of G1, but isn't G1. And that's after only 5 episodes into the first season of Beast Wars (I've already been spoiled on the "tie-in")!

Nah, s'cool man. I sort of knee-jerked and jumped at the gun going 'oh look its another geewunner whining they ruined Transformers when Optimus died' which basically equate to, well, again, me being rude and assuming things. Its entirely my mistake.

Defining 'G1' and what is and isn't G1 is certainly a headache for many people due to it having many concurrent incarnations during its heyday and modern incarnation. To make an odd (or not) comparison it is very similar to those anime where the manga, anime and even OVA diverge heavily from the same basic source material and the whole thing gets further muddled by later incarnations of the franchise.

If its hard for fans to even explain it to other fans you can imagine how even harder it is to explain it to non-fans and outsiders how these shows and movies tie together and don't tie together. :HEADHURTS:

News Credits: 3 · by **bodrock** » Mon Nov 27, 2017 2:41 am

You said it, Skritz -- a co-worker told me how much she loved Optimus Prime the other day (I have a G1 Optimus Prime bust on my desk), and I asked if she had introduced her son to the 80s cartoon.....but she only knew of Optimus from the Bayverse movies.

I've only seen the first two Bayverse movies in their entirety, and truly appreciate what they did for the brand -- without them, who knows if Transformers would be back in the mainstream like they are!

To me, the PotP Leaders are like a childhood dream come true -- now if they gave me a Leader Megatron that evolved into Galvatron, I would be over the dark of the moon.

News Credits: 4 · by **Quantum Surge** » Mon Nov 27, 2017 8:42 am

Well, as much as I didn't like the G1 cartoon, I always liked the smaller cast that consisted of Hot Rod, Kup, Arcee, Blurr, Ultra Magnus, Wheelie, and Wreck-Gar. 11 characters less than the S1 cast (which to me consisted of a few remolds and character duplicates). Even though we get more combiners and old characters in the background, I feel more interested with the S3 cast (and other smaller casts in future franchises).

News Credits: 3 · by **Kyleor** » Mon Nov 27, 2017 9:16 am

So who else now wants a photo montage video of Transformer backs set to 'Baby got Back'?

News Credits: 56 · by **o.supreme** » Mon Nov 27, 2017 10:17 am

Soo. I watched the first Voyager Starscream review, which was in Chinese. you could clearly tell when he was saying words like "Starscream" "Power of the Primes", "Prime Master" etc.... But if he said the name of Starscreams combined form I missed it, and he didn't really show the instruction sheet in full detail.

News Credits: 10 · by **Agamemnon** » Mon Nov 27, 2017 10:39 am

Jeffrohurt wrote:Hi. This is the first time responding on this board, been lurking for years.
Now, I don't know if this has ever come up and I still need to figure out the forums and such, but I was wondering what is going on with potp prime's feet. Mp10 has normal ones, his look like they're floating. Is that a result of the amalgamation of Pax and trailer?
Also just want to say that I'm glad I finally took the plunge and joined

This got lost in the discussion over the last few pages, but I wanted to welcome you. This is an awesome community and even when we disagree, things mostly work themselves out. I lurk more than post these days, but that's because there are some truly awesome comments made!

I think the feet issue with PotP OP has been brought up before, and the general consensus agrees with you. Personally, I'm hoping once he is in hand, and on my shelf with a darker background, it won't be as noticeable.

Again, welcome! And watch out for that Agamemnon character, he's a little nutty... :-D