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Stuartmaximus wrote:D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Considering season 3 is supposed to have Cybertron in it with Prime, Cyclonus, and the such, I imagine Jazz will be making a return. He's sorta the RiD version of Wheeljack
Whaawe're getting a Cyclonus?
tell me it's not gonna be a combiner like the CW one
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
PrymeStriker wrote:Stuartmaximus wrote:D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Considering season 3 is supposed to have Cybertron in it with Prime, Cyclonus, and the such, I imagine Jazz will be making a return. He's sorta the RiD version of Wheeljack
Whaawe're getting a Cyclonus?
tell me it's not gonna be a combiner like the CW one
Just imagine it as Prime Soundwave wearing a big bulky exosuit over his slender body, using his cables to manipulate any parts his arms and legs can't normally reach due to the awkward proportions of the suit.Kurona wrote:I'm not entirely sure about Soundwave, honestly. Ever since it was first revealed I've had the same feeling - it's a friggin' awesome design that pays homage to most major Soundwaves in the franchise's history... but then they plonk TFP Soundwave's head on it.
And I of course get why they did since it's the same character, and I do like the head design... but my god, it is so unfitting. TFP Soundwave's head design is made specifically for a much more slender and angular aesthetic like, well, TFP Soundwave; it doesn't work on something so blocky and bulky.
I don't mean to sound geewunner-ish but the design would have benefited so much from having a head design much more similar to G1 Soundwave's. This is just too jarring a contrast for me.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Burn wrote:Agamemnon wrote:Let's get back to talking about Burn's mammoth snout flopping...
Well I am Australian. It's kinda what we're known for.
Sabrblade wrote:Just imagine it as Prime Soundwave wearing a big bulky exosuit over his slender body, using his cables to manipulate any parts his arms and legs can't normally reach due to the awkward proportions of the suit.Kurona wrote:I'm not entirely sure about Soundwave, honestly. Ever since it was first revealed I've had the same feeling - it's a friggin' awesome design that pays homage to most major Soundwaves in the franchise's history... but then they plonk TFP Soundwave's head on it.
And I of course get why they did since it's the same character, and I do like the head design... but my god, it is so unfitting. TFP Soundwave's head design is made specifically for a much more slender and angular aesthetic like, well, TFP Soundwave; it doesn't work on something so blocky and bulky.
I don't mean to sound geewunner-ish but the design would have benefited so much from having a head design much more similar to G1 Soundwave's. This is just too jarring a contrast for me.
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
william-james88 wrote:If ever Sabrblade decides to go on vacation, I am glad to know we can rely on you.
Delta Magnus wrote:This is because you are a hamhanded idiot.
steals_your_goats wrote: I love how he's an entirely new guy.
RAR wrote:steals_your_goats wrote: I love how he's an entirely new guy.
Me too.
So rare now each is like a precious pearl (yes even Alpha Bravo)
Kurona wrote:I can't recall a single Decepticon in the series that wasn't a new original character until Soundwave and Starscream showed up.
I concur. Those all seem to be just name reuses rather than reinventions of familiar characters. Even Scorponok breaks tradition by transforming differently from every other guy named "Scorponok" ever.Kurona wrote:Of those though, most of them are rather distinct entities from their inspirations to the point one has to wonder if they took anything from them other than the name and a vague idea of their beast modes.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:I concur. Those all seem to be just name reuses rather than reinventions of familiar characters. Even Scorponok breaks tradition by transforming differently from every other guy named "Scorponok" ever.Kurona wrote:Of those though, most of them are rather distinct entities from their inspirations to the point one has to wonder if they took anything from them other than the name and a vague idea of their beast modes.
Sabrblade wrote:I concur. Those all seem to be just name reuses rather than reinventions of familiar characters. Even Scorponok breaks tradition by transforming differently from every other guy named "Scorponok" ever.Kurona wrote:Of those though, most of them are rather distinct entities from their inspirations to the point one has to wonder if they took anything from them other than the name and a vague idea of their beast modes.
You know good and well that that isn't the case with UT Optimus. But conversely, none of those RID character examples share any commonalities with their namesakes besides their names and animal-types. They have about as much in common with their namesakes as Energon Ironhide has with G1 Ironhide, which is only that their both big truck guys named "Ironhide" and nothing else.william-james88 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:I concur. Those all seem to be just name reuses rather than reinventions of familiar characters. Even Scorponok breaks tradition by transforming differently from every other guy named "Scorponok" ever.Kurona wrote:Of those though, most of them are rather distinct entities from their inspirations to the point one has to wonder if they took anything from them other than the name and a vague idea of their beast modes.
But by that logic then every optimus prime from the unicron trilogy is an original character not based on optimus prime.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Sabrblade wrote:I concur. Those all seem to be just name reuses rather than reinventions of familiar characters. Even Scorponok breaks tradition by transforming differently from every other guy named "Scorponok" ever.Kurona wrote:Of those though, most of them are rather distinct entities from their inspirations to the point one has to wonder if they took anything from them other than the name and a vague idea of their beast modes.
He does come close to BW with the position of his legs and arms.
Nuh uh.Stuartmaximus wrote:JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Sabrblade wrote:I concur. Those all seem to be just name reuses rather than reinventions of familiar characters. Even Scorponok breaks tradition by transforming differently from every other guy named "Scorponok" ever.Kurona wrote:Of those though, most of them are rather distinct entities from their inspirations to the point one has to wonder if they took anything from them other than the name and a vague idea of their beast modes.
He does come close to BW with the position of his legs and arms.
+ it has the same head as the BW character!
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Nuh uh.Stuartmaximus wrote:
+ it has the same head as the BW character!
Sabrblade wrote: They have about as much in common with their namesakes as Energon Ironhide has with G1 Ironhide, which is only that their both big truck guys named "Ironhide" and nothing else.
EmirateXaaron wrote:Hi everyone! Back from my hiatus on TF collecting, and I thought I'd share some stuff I found at my local Toys R Us
http://imgur.com/a/5cKBP
Apologies if any of this stuff is old news, as I've been out of the loop since around September. They all seemed different than the RiD stuff I used to see, so I thought I'd share.
Bumblebee I'll give you due to the heavy influence Movie Bee has made to the whole Bumblebee character type, but Sideswipe? I'd argue that he's much more like what was described in the original G1 profile of Sideswipe than any version of G1 Sideswipe has been fictionally depicted.william-james88 wrote:I 100% agree with that. But that is no different from RID Sideswipe and Bumblebee being totally different from their G1 namesakes.
I've already made my argument for Sideswipe, but since Bumblebee is based more on his Movie counterpart than otherwise, that makes Bee not as "new and original" as the Decepticons Kurona was describing.william-james88 wrote:The whole point is that Kurona said that all the decepticons were new and original characters not taking cues from anything, which isnt the case. RID Kickback is a reimagining of G1 kickback just as much as RID Sidewipe and Bumblebee are reminaginings of G1 Sideswipe and Bumblebee. So by saying that they are all original, then you set up a totality and end the point of this discussion. If its all original, then why do we even bother comparing any of them?! Many cons in RID are fully original, with no thematic connections to previous characters in Transformers lore, but not all of them.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Stuartmaximus wrote:JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Sabrblade wrote:I concur. Those all seem to be just name reuses rather than reinventions of familiar characters. Even Scorponok breaks tradition by transforming differently from every other guy named "Scorponok" ever.Kurona wrote:Of those though, most of them are rather distinct entities from their inspirations to the point one has to wonder if they took anything from them other than the name and a vague idea of their beast modes.
He does come close to BW with the position of his legs and arms.
+ it has the same head as the BW character!
Kurona wrote:In any case, even if these were new versions of their namesakes - which I still disagree with; I don't really look at RiD Scorponok and see him as anything but a new character using the name - they're an extremely small number in the larger pool of original characters, which still holds up my point. That point being that RiD 2015's Decepticon cast was made up completely (or almost completely) of original characters, and it's a shame to see that originality and breath of fresh air lost since we seem to now be swamped with Decepticons that are recreations of former characters in the franchise.
Hell, even if you want to argue this Scorponok or Chop Shop or Crazybolt are new versions of the originals, there's legroom where you could see why we'd think they're original characters - they have almost nothing in common with their namesakes aside from a couple superficial qualities. Not to mention that Crazybolt and Chop Shop are a little bit on the obscure side. RiD 2015 Bludgeon, Skywarp and Cyclonus are very clearly new versions of the well-known G1 Bludgeon, Skywarp and Cyclonus and no-one could seriously argue against that.
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