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primalxconvoy wrote:EvasionModeBumblebee wrote:And here's CvC's review for Crosshairs. Important to note is that his copy is missing the spoiler, which we know the figure will include based on prior renders and in-hand pics from Hasbro.
Crosshairs definitely isn't as much of a win as Hot Rod, but the molded detail is pretty impressive.
Well, this "kind-of" highlights my point, although not exactly. The copy in this "review" (sic) isn't the same as the proposed/actual retail version, for better or for worse.
noctorro wrote:Well the paint and face look better. But man those bots have horrible designs of TF 4. They are just big dudes in space armor who can teleport in a vehicle mode.
If the robot mode doesn't resemble a vehicle at all, then you know what it is and can only be. A shellformer. Galvatron practically is a shellformer because his robot mode is just a sci fi space robot, not a Transformer.
I think I'll continue to hunt for the first version of Crosshairs since it has some feely value.
SpaceEagle wrote:noctorro wrote:Well the paint and face look better. But man those bots have horrible designs of TF 4. They are just big dudes in space armor who can teleport in a vehicle mode.
If the robot mode doesn't resemble a vehicle at all, then you know what it is and can only be. A shellformer. Galvatron practically is a shellformer because his robot mode is just a sci fi space robot, not a Transformer.
I think I'll continue to hunt for the first version of Crosshairs since it has some feely value.
I definitely agree, 4 & 5's designs are amongst my least favourite because they don't even look like robots that are able transform into cars, just robots that happen to 'animorph' into a car. The toys did somewhat help me with liking the designs - but that's due to them actually embracing the car parts for some (I do like Drift's Bugatti toy, as an example, even if it's quite kibbly.)
primalxconvoy wrote:SpaceEagle wrote:noctorro wrote:Well the paint and face look better. But man those bots have horrible designs of TF 4. They are just big dudes in space armor who can teleport in a vehicle mode.
If the robot mode doesn't resemble a vehicle at all, then you know what it is and can only be. A shellformer. Galvatron practically is a shellformer because his robot mode is just a sci fi space robot, not a Transformer.
I think I'll continue to hunt for the first version of Crosshairs since it has some feely value.
I definitely agree, 4 & 5's designs are amongst my least favourite because they don't even look like robots that are able transform into cars, just robots that happen to 'animorph' into a car. The toys did somewhat help me with liking the designs - but that's due to them actually embracing the car parts for some (I do like Drift's Bugatti toy, as an example, even if it's quite kibbly.)
It took 3P/KO versions of Bayverse characters for me to appreciate some of their aesthetic qualities, such as this upcoming, triple-changing version of Drift. It's great, although the copter mode isn't great.
(Source: - https://showzstore.com/metagate-haiku-drift_p4108.html )
primalxconvoy wrote:Emerje wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:As always, if this is not the official version, it would be prudent to wait for actual retail versions being reviewed by legit YouTubers before we jump to any conclusions regarding any possible faults or defects in this mold. For all we know, the retail versions might differ considerably to ones by those giving us peegey tips, however "helpful" they may seem. This might even be true if the unboxed versions are BETTER than the originals, and we get our hopes up.
Don't these usually come right off the assembly line? Unless they have Hasbro's serial numbers printed directly on them they're probably final products. Do you have any examples of reviewed figures being different from the retail release (aside from blemishes and broken parts)?
Emerje
With 3P products, whenever they're reviewed, they're often accompanied by disclosures that they're pre-production samples (even if they're close to the final product or end up being exactly the same as the final product). This is how more honest YouTubers give us a look at such toys, while also giving us enough info to make more informed decisions prior to purchasing. In some cases, they even state that the companies are aware of certain faults and will (or already have) rectified them.
From personal experience, I've found some of the faults mentioned by those that have watched such unripe product reviews, don't always turn up in the Takara-Tomy versions, so I'm a little sceptical. That's why I usually only watch legit YouTube videos, as any faults mentioned in them might be more widespread.
I'm more interested in the facts, rather than "reviews" akin to fortune telling:
Emerje wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:
I'm talking about real Transformers, not bootleg garbage.![]()
Emerje
primalxconvoy wrote:Emerje wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:
I'm talking about real Transformers, not bootleg garbage.![]()
Emerje
1/ 3P TFs aren't "bootleg garbage".
2/ I already mentioned the differences between "reviews" of (possibly stolen) pre-production samples and later official Takara-Tomy releases.
ZeroWolf wrote:They are technically bootlegs though, with the IP theft and all, which I think Hasbro hates more then the early sample reviewers.
-Kanrabat- wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:They are technically bootlegs though, with the IP theft and all, which I think Hasbro hates more then the early sample reviewers.
It would be an "I.P theft" if they used the official symbols and names. So unless they are straight KOs like what's plaguing G1 and MP, I see most if not all 3P toys as "fan art".
And so often, the "fan art" one-up the officials by a large margin. Just look at anything Unique Toys are making.
ZeroWolf wrote:I would only compare them if they're in the same price range as 3p have their fair share of advantages over hasbro. I would be far happier if more 3rd parties made their own IP, then Hasbro would see some real competition (something they've not had in a long while)
-Kanrabat- wrote:As for original IP, there's tons of 3P companies who started with "fan art" and then made their own things with their own original designs that have ZERO "hommages" to any Transformers. Unfortunately, they don't have the power of a large corporation like Hasbro or Bandai to be real competitors.
primalxconvoy wrote:Emerje wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:
I'm talking about real Transformers, not bootleg garbage.![]()
Emerje
1/ 3P TFs aren't "bootleg garbage".
-Kanrabat- wrote:It would be an "I.P theft" if they used the official symbols and names. So unless they are straight KOs like what's plaguing G1 and MP, I see most if not all 3P toys as "fan art".
william-james88 wrote:If ever Sabrblade decides to go on vacation, I am glad to know we can rely on you.
Hellscream9999 wrote:Man that crosshairs figure is looking really rough, glad for everyone that's excited for it though. I feel like crosshairs in particular would have needed a leader class budget to be done well - which we all know will never happen, and likely wouldn't even yield an enjoyable toy, which is a shame as I love the concept of the design.
SpaceEagle wrote:Hellscream9999 wrote:Man that crosshairs figure is looking really rough, glad for everyone that's excited for it though. I feel like crosshairs in particular would have needed a leader class budget to be done well - which we all know will never happen, and likely wouldn't even yield an enjoyable toy, which is a shame as I love the concept of the design.
Haha yeah, would need some real budget finagling to get it just right only to probably not even be worth the dough or effort!
Still, I think what we've gotten (so far) have at least been alright for the price they go at.
william-james88 wrote:If ever Sabrblade decides to go on vacation, I am glad to know we can rely on you.
Hellscream9999 wrote:SpaceEagle wrote:Hellscream9999 wrote:Man that crosshairs figure is looking really rough, glad for everyone that's excited for it though. I feel like crosshairs in particular would have needed a leader class budget to be done well - which we all know will never happen, and likely wouldn't even yield an enjoyable toy, which is a shame as I love the concept of the design.
Haha yeah, would need some real budget finagling to get it just right only to probably not even be worth the dough or effort!
Still, I think what we've gotten (so far) have at least been alright for the price they go at.
I feel like they should have just reworked the original figure, the rubber flaps worked better for me
ZeroWolf wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:Emerje wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:
I'm talking about real Transformers, not bootleg garbage.![]()
Emerje
1/ 3P TFs aren't "bootleg garbage".
2/ I already mentioned the differences between "reviews" of (possibly stolen) pre-production samples and later official Takara-Tomy releases.
They are technically bootlegs though, with the IP theft and all, which I think Hasbro hates more then the early sample reviewers.
william-james88 wrote:
They aren't bootlegs, you're right, but they are unlicenced figures, stealing likeness owned by Hasbro (or Paramount). The fact that they come from a place which has more lax copyright laws cements that fact, we wouldn't get these from American companies. They are thiefs (sic) too,
Likeness is also included in IP theft. Some 3p, like the ones for the movie characters, would most definitely get a cease and desist if the toys came from an american based company. As I wrote above, 3p toys coming from a place that has very different laws in terms of copyright infringement is not a coincidence.
primalxconvoy wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:Emerje wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:
I'm talking about real Transformers, not bootleg garbage.![]()
Emerje
1/ 3P TFs aren't "bootleg garbage".
2/ I already mentioned the differences between "reviews" of (possibly stolen) pre-production samples and later official Takara-Tomy releases.
They are technically bootlegs though, with the IP theft and all, which I think Hasbro hates more then the early sample reviewers.
1/ 3P TFs are not technicality bootlegs.
2/ Please cite evidence that "Hasbro hates (them) more than early sample reviews).
As you seem to lack knowledge about this subject, feel free to read the main page at this link:
- https://www.allspark.com/forums/threads ... hread.134/
There, you will find relevant links to the various definitions, facts, etc regarding this aspect of the TF fandom.
(It's mainly about "KO" TFs, which are what others usually refer to as "bootlegs", but the legal definitions and terminology also can refer to unofficial 3P products too.)
You're most welcome to post your opinions there, or even at Seibertron's dedicated thread to the same subject:
- third-party-and-knock-off-transformers-news-t109857s375.php
Hope this helps you to learn more about this aspect of TF collecting.
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