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[Deadput]

Because it would be like going to Martin Luthor King Jr's home and dressing that up as the HQ of the KKK for a film. There's being oversensitive, and then there's respecting history. Any other castle or mansion and I wouldn't care.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not throwing a hissy fit over this. I just think this is the one building in the UK that shouldn't be done up like Nazi HQ.

I wasn't there for either of those events so they have no effect on me so I don't care and really were any of you people friends with Churchill?


If not why do you care it doesn't effect your everyday life?


It's a movie it's not like Bay is a Nazi himself or trying to destroy the place he just dressed a building up to be like another building for a movie.


And you guys do know that Bay is allowed to film there with permission and all so obviously the owners of the building agreed to it so it's as much as their fault as it is Bay's

[Deadput]

Point being, why would a seeker be a tank? That's like, the most un-seeker like alt-mode ever. The shattered glass seekers being cars makes more sense than tanks.

Are you forgetting what the Movie Seekers are?


Those guys are the ancient guys like Jetfire who transform into old vehicles like old cars and planes.


Does anyone actually pay attention to these films before dismissing them as trash?

[Kurona]

Because it would be like going to Martin Luthor King Jr's home and dressing that up as the HQ of the KKK for a film. There's being oversensitive, and then there's respecting history. Any other castle or mansion and I wouldn't care.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not throwing a hissy fit over this. I just think this is the one building in the UK that shouldn't be done up like Nazi HQ.

I wasn't there for either of those events so they have no effect on me so I don't care and really were any of you people friends with Churchill?


If not why do you care it doesn't effect your everyday life?


It's a movie it's not like Bay is a Nazi himself or trying to destroy the place he just dressed a building up to be like another building for a movie.


And you guys do know that Bay is allowed to film there with permission and all so obviously the owners of the building agreed to it so it's as much as their fault as it is Bay's

What you're suggesting is to completely disregard the past and not care about it simply because you weren't personally involved it. If you want to go that way, fine; but I can tell you without a doubt that's a rather specific philosophy that many of us do not subscribe to. I respect the contributions of the people of the past despite not knowing them personally, and hence I wish to respect them as people as well. So please don't dismiss it as if it shouldn't matter to me. That's utterly ridiculous.

[Dr. Caelus]

It would be silly to choose a national landmark to make a Nazi HQ for a flashback.

But it makes PERFECT sense for an alternate reality created by time travel shenanigans.

Seems likely that they did it for the same reason an artist sat down and did this. It's supposed to frighten and anger you. If you're offended by the idea of Nazi flags hanging from the eves of a national treasure, raise a glass to Churchill and his fellows for preventing that from transpiring in reality.

Sooo! could we be getting a Hearts Of Steel style Seeker then

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But... but that's a tank...

And WWII would be several decades after Hearts of Steel...

Erm....it's a WWI tank! not II

Well, given that the Nazi's didn't sieze control of Germany until 1933, I figured this happened closer to WWII than WWI. I also figured that the MkVIII tanks were still in service by the beginning of WWII, but it does look like they were all retired by 1932.

Either way, decades after Hearts of Steel took place.

[Deadput]

What you're suggesting is to completely disregard the past and not care about it simply because you weren't personally involved it. If you want to go that way, fine; but I can tell you without a doubt that's a rather specific philosophy that many of us do not subscribe to. I respect the contributions of the people of the past despite not knowing them personally, and hence I wish to respect them as people as well. So please don't dismiss it as if it shouldn't matter to me. That's utterly ridiculous.

And everything they all did in the past was for nothing because we are still making these stupid mistakes all the time because of stupid reasons.


So really the past means nothing it's all about the future.

[Kurona]

What you're suggesting is to completely disregard the past and not care about it simply because you weren't personally involved it. If you want to go that way, fine; but I can tell you without a doubt that's a rather specific philosophy that many of us do not subscribe to. I respect the contributions of the people of the past despite not knowing them personally, and hence I wish to respect them as people as well. So please don't dismiss it as if it shouldn't matter to me. That's utterly ridiculous.

And everything they all did in the past was for nothing because we are still making these stupid mistakes all the time because of stupid reasons.


So really the past means nothing it's all about the future.

I really don't want to continue the conversation past this, but just so I'm absolutely clear: you're saying everything in the past was for nothing and worthless, within the context that the specific example we are talking about was the prevention of the Nazis successfully taking over the world and enforcing their dictatorship upon us all.
I'm just checking; you do know this, right? Not even in connection to any prior argument; just checking because I'm a little concerned. You're saying that stopping that didn't matter?

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Enough Please, back to talking Transformers.

[Bronzewolf]

What you're suggesting is to completely disregard the past and not care about it simply because you weren't personally involved it. If you want to go that way, fine; but I can tell you without a doubt that's a rather specific philosophy that many of us do not subscribe to. I respect the contributions of the people of the past despite not knowing them personally, and hence I wish to respect them as people as well. So please don't dismiss it as if it shouldn't matter to me. That's utterly ridiculous.

And everything they all did in the past was for nothing because we are still making these stupid mistakes all the time because of stupid reasons.


So really the past means nothing it's all about the future.

Um, okay? I guess? I mean, so, does 9/11 not mean anything to people born after September Eleventh 2001? It doesn't matter?

I wasn't there when people still owned thousands of other people just because of the color of their skin...does that mean that shouldn't matter?

I wasn't there when Pearl Harbor happened. Does that mean the coutless lives lost don't matter?

I wasn't there when the Atomic Bombs dropped. Does that mean those people that died are just stepping stones to the future? Their deaths don't matter?

The hundreds upon hundreds of people oppressed, tortured, and killed, I wasn't there, so their lives don't matter. Eh, I don't care.

I'm not trying to start an argument, I'm just trying to get an understanding of your philosophy.

[Deadput]

I really don't want to continue the conversation past this, but just so I'm absolutely clear: you're saying everything in the past was for nothing and worthless, within the context that the specific example we are talking about was the prevention of the Nazis successfully taking over the world and enforcing their dictatorship upon us all.
I'm just checking; you do know this, right? Not even in connection to any prior argument; just checking because I'm a little concerned. You're saying that stopping that didn't matter?

Sorry for the ranting I'll stop here just frustrated and tend to not think these conversations through.


It's more like I feel like we are only delaying the inevitable like there will always be a Hitler, Osama Bin Laden or a Donald Trump around to one day take over the world.


Also being a Christian there is always the Anti Christ that will show up one day (no not trying to push my views around believe what you want about God and all that)

[Big Grim]

Guys, please don't feed the troll. Internet 101.

[Deadput]

Guys, please don't feed the troll. Internet 101.

Not a troll just saying.



And I'm done no more drama from me here I just hate the constant hate on the movies I like.

[Dr. Caelus]

I'm not trying to start an argument, I'm just trying to get an understanding of your philosophy.

I think he's contending that the past only matters if you learn from it or maybe that the only way to truly honor the past is to learn from it and do better.

From that perspective, arguing over where you film a movie or how you dress the set would seem petty - like fussing over your grand-dad's grave marker while the neighborhood bully beats up your brother. On the other hand, in that context, complaining about someone complaining about the grave-marker would be just as petty.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Second Friendly Reminder: Please get back on topic. We don't want or need any socio-political stuff getting going here

[Hellscream9999]

I agree, it does seem to be leaning a little towards being in bad taste, but maybe it's being used for one of those time-travel-changed-the-future shock scenes where the bad future is summarized succinctly in a scene with a caption -this would certainly fulfill that role

[Dr. Caelus]

Second Friendly Reminder: Please get back on topic. We don't want or need any socio-political stuff getting going here

In our defense:

This desicion has drawn some controversy from many communities, but what do you think? Do you find this to be in poor taste? Are you offended, or think it is alright? Tell us in the discussion below.

[Kurona]

Second Friendly Reminder: Please get back on topic. We don't want or need any socio-political stuff getting going here

In our defense:

This desicion has drawn some controversy from many communities, but what do you think? Do you find this to be in poor taste? Are you offended, or think it is alright? Tell us in the discussion below.

No, no. We were off-topic and in the wrong; it got a bit too heated.

[Deadput]

No, no. We were off-topic and in the wrong; it got a bit too heated.

Yeah your right my bad for starting this any further comments will be on topic and hopefully less angry and more thought out.

[Burn]

Burn is watching ...

[Triptykon]

England makes sense, as much of the architecture to the layman is similar to what he's looking for, and production costs were probably cheaper than say...Czech Republic or whatnot (as many formerly oppressed nations would laugh at the idea).also, just about any reference to Nazi's, has been erased from German history, not even taught in schools, and the swastika is illegal. New groups have formed entirely new graphics around their movements as a result.

[Big Grim]

I'm done no more drama from me here I just hate the constant hate on the movies I like.

Fair enough. My apologies. I get wanting to protect something you love, but ya gotta admit, the Bayverse ain't helped itself.

I love the first film. Second is alright. Third I started getting fatigued though I love Nimoy's return to the fold as Sentinel Prime. That frickin' voice! Fourth, I had high hopes for but it was too long, too meandering and the Dinobots were utterly wasted. It's only real redeeming features were Frank Welker as Mega....Galvatron and John Goodman because I love John Goodman.

*Edit*

And Drift's surprise that the Dinos didn't transform into giant cars.

[DedicatedGhostArt]

I am... numb. That is the only way I can describe my reaction to this. Part of me want to laugh, and part of me wants to rage at the screen, so now I'm just numb.

Regarding plot, I think this may confirm something I have been thinking which is that the Transformers movies will introduce Transformers characters in other time periods. Like maybe showing a robot's appearance and backstory years or centuries before, and then them all meeting up with the regular cast years later.

[Bronzewolf]

>:oP
Burn is watching ...

Sorry Burn. Back on topic!

[Big Grim]

>:oP
Burn is watching ...

Sorry Burn. Back on topic!

Ahahaahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

[Stuartmaximus]

It would be silly to choose a national landmark to make a Nazi HQ for a flashback.

But it makes PERFECT sense for an alternate reality created by time travel shenanigans.

Seems likely that they did it for the same reason an artist sat down and did this. It's supposed to frighten and anger you. If you're offended by the idea of Nazi flags hanging from the eves of a national treasure, raise a glass to Churchill and his fellows for preventing that from transpiring in reality.

Sooo! could we be getting a Hearts Of Steel style Seeker then

FB_IMG_1474657183499.jpg

But... but that's a tank...

And WWII would be several decades after Hearts of Steel...

Erm....it's a WWI tank! not II

Well, given that the Nazi's didn't sieze control of Germany until 1933, I figured this happened closer to WWII than WWI. I also figured that the MkVIII tanks were still in service by the beginning of WWII, but it does look like they were all retired by 1932.

Either way, decades after Hearts of Steel took place.

Well....first of all.....it's a Transformers film!

& 2ndly...i doubt that Michael Bay gives a rats @$$ about historical accuracy! i mean....as long as it's got loads of explosions in it & he's making tons of $$$ like the previous movies did, then i doubt the first thing on his mind would be is how close to WW II that WW I tank is?

[Stuartmaximus]

I'm done no more drama from me here I just hate the constant hate on the movies I like.

Fair enough. My apologies. I get wanting to protect something you love, but ya gotta admit, the Bayverse ain't helped itself.

I love the first film. Second is alright. Third I started getting fatigued though I love Nimoy's return to the fold as Sentinel Prime. That frickin' voice! Fourth, I had high hopes for but it was too long, too meandering and the Dinobots were utterly wasted. It's only real redeeming features were Frank Welker as Mega....Galvatron and John Goodman because I love John Goodman.

*Edit*

And Drift's surprise that the Dinos didn't transform into giant cars.

Hmmm.....Mega Galvatron huh! maybe that'll be his name in this film