Hellscream9999 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:Hellscream9999 wrote:and it all starts with the one thing they've been lacking from day one, solid writing and solid acting/direction.
Ok, what would these movies have to do to be considered "good"?
I can't quantify that as well as some others probably could, but, I'm pretty sure that we all know the general rules, you know, quality writing, a coherent plot, depthful characters... like I said, it's cool if you like them, I like them too, but they are not 'good' movies'.
#Sideways# wrote:I've always rather been neutral on the Bay films, but I am beginning to think that they should just reboot the whole thing and start a cinematic universe the proper way: On Cybertron. They could even do standalone spotlight films to start things off, like Marvel. Say, a Decepticon spotlight film detailing the rise of Megatron, then an Autobot film to show Optimus' origin story.
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Slashercon wrote:Hellscream9999 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:Hellscream9999 wrote:and it all starts with the one thing they've been lacking from day one, solid writing and solid acting/direction.
Ok, what would these movies have to do to be considered "good"?
I can't quantify that as well as some others probably could, but, I'm pretty sure that we all know the general rules, you know, quality writing, a coherent plot, depthful characters... like I said, it's cool if you like them, I like them too, but they are not 'good' movies'.
I believe the more appropriate term for this would be "well constructed movies".
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Hellscream9999 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:Hellscream9999 wrote:and it all starts with the one thing they've been lacking from day one, solid writing and solid acting/direction.
Ok, what would these movies have to do to be considered "good"?
I can't quantify that as well as some others probably could, but, I'm pretty sure that we all know the general rules, you know, quality writing, a coherent plot, depthful characters... like I said, it's cool if you like them, I like them too, but they are not 'good' movies'.
RevTibe wrote:Compare these two tidbits from Age of Extinction:SlyTF1 wrote:Ok, what would these movies have to do to be considered "good"?
a) One of the cast, Drift, was never mentioned by name during the movie's 150 minute runtime.
b) There was apparently time for a scene outlining exceptions to the age of consent present in Texan legislature (although the details were off).
While those aren't the only problems, or even the largest, I think it's fair to say they're clear symptoms of the lack of clear goals/vision/structure in making the film.
This song explains such a concept:SlyTF1 wrote:So, how can you enjoy a movie and still say it's not good? I've never understood that. I just can't process that.
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SlyTF1 wrote:Hellscream9999 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:Hellscream9999 wrote:and it all starts with the one thing they've been lacking from day one, solid writing and solid acting/direction.
Ok, what would these movies have to do to be considered "good"?
I can't quantify that as well as some others probably could, but, I'm pretty sure that we all know the general rules, you know, quality writing, a coherent plot, depthful characters... like I said, it's cool if you like them, I like them too, but they are not 'good' movies'.
So, how can you enjoy a movie and still say it's not good? I've never understood that. I just can't process that. Like, why does there have to be a checklist of elements a movie has to have for it to be good? Why can't it just be good because you enjoy it? People put so much stock into the structure of an idea, but what about the idea itself? You can't just enjoy watching a movie because you enjoy watching it?
SlyTF1 wrote:RevTibe wrote:Compare these two tidbits from Age of Extinction:SlyTF1 wrote:Ok, what would these movies have to do to be considered "good"?
a) One of the cast, Drift, was never mentioned by name during the movie's 150 minute runtime.
b) There was apparently time for a scene outlining exceptions to the age of consent present in Texan legislature (although the details were off).
While those aren't the only problems, or even the largest, I think it's fair to say they're clear symptoms of the lack of clear goals/vision/structure in making the film.
a) So? His character was never the focus. Sure it would have been nice to have his name mentioned, but I don't feel like anything in the movie would have been made better if they had mentioned his name.
b) Again, so? It's literally a 20 second conversation in a 3 hour long movie, and it serves a purpose to the story. Isn't that what people want? Things that serve the story?
william-james88 wrote:If ever Sabrblade decides to go on vacation, I am glad to know we can rely on you.
In the words of one of my favorite critics, YMS, "I like movies that get better the more you think about them." There's nothing wrong with enjoying a movie that's kinda in shambles, but it's worthwhile to apply a bit of analysis. It doesn't negate the enjoyment of flawed stuff, and also provides a newfound enjoyment for the less flawed stuff - a win-win.SlyTF1 wrote:Hellscream9999 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:Hellscream9999 wrote:and it all starts with the one thing they've been lacking from day one, solid writing and solid acting/direction.
Ok, what would these movies have to do to be considered "good"?
I can't quantify that as well as some others probably could, but, I'm pretty sure that we all know the general rules, you know, quality writing, a coherent plot, depthful characters... like I said, it's cool if you like them, I like them too, but they are not 'good' movies'.
So, how can you enjoy a movie and still say it's not good? I've never understood that. I just can't process that. Like, why does there have to be a checklist of elements a movie has to have for it to be good? Why can't it just be good because you enjoy it? People put so much stock into the structure of an idea, but what about the idea itself? You can't just enjoy watching a movie because you enjoy watching it?
SlyTF1 wrote:Hellscream9999 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:Hellscream9999 wrote:and it all starts with the one thing they've been lacking from day one, solid writing and solid acting/direction.
Ok, what would these movies have to do to be considered "good"?
I can't quantify that as well as some others probably could, but, I'm pretty sure that we all know the general rules, you know, quality writing, a coherent plot, depthful characters... like I said, it's cool if you like them, I like them too, but they are not 'good' movies'.
Why can't it just be good because you enjoy it?
If someone enjoys Biodome, Garbage Pail Kids, Home Alone 4, does that mean that these are good movies? Heck, If I watched and enjoyed a video of Iggy Izalea falling off the stage for two hours on a loop and called it a movie, would it necessarily be considered a "good movie"?
Burn wrote:*sigh* Just for once I would like to see a news post about the movie NOT devolve into ANOTHER discussion about whether the previous movies were good or bad.
It's simple, some people liked them, some people didn't. There's been years of the same discussion across various threads, can't you all just talk about the CURRENT piece of news instead of rehashing the same stupid debate?
Burn wrote:*sigh* Just for once I would like to see a news post about the movie NOT devolve into ANOTHER discussion about whether the previous movies were good or bad.
It's simple, some people liked them, some people didn't. There's been years of the same discussion across various threads, can't you all just talk about the CURRENT piece of news instead of rehashing the same stupid debate?
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Slashercon wrote:As for the actual title...does it really even matter.Given what little we know from Aoe and the whole concept of cybertronian knights, will this even have a payoff that will leave me satisfied? Probably not, and sadly with the last movie toyline being of little interest to me, I don't even know what the next film will bring. I guess it's too much to ask for the bots to have their own character moments and arcs, but that's for a another discussion.
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Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:Personally, I'm not going to bother seeing it in theaters unless I hear a hell of a lot of good about it. I've been disappointed and unhappy with the movie franchise for a while with the only exception being DoTM. I'll probably buy into the toys if they interest me and I have cash. Otherwise I'm done with the Bay films.
Any word on who the writing team is for this? I've been out of the loop for a while about this movie. If it's the same guys as AoE then I'm DEFINITELY out!
Hellscream9999 wrote:transformer knights rock
ZeroWolf wrote:Hellscream9999 wrote:transformer knights rock
If we're talking knights of unicron then hell yeah or am I the only one who liked that idea?
Moving on...
Liking this so far but it will probably be a dvd watch for me as I doubt my cinema buddy or the missus will want to watch it. Also surprised no one has thought that this is the way hasbro will introduce ROM the space knight to cinema audiences
Burn wrote:*sigh* Just for once I would like to see a news post about the movie NOT devolve into ANOTHER discussion about whether the previous movies were good or bad.
It's simple, some people liked them, some people didn't. There's been years of the same discussion across various threads, can't you all just talk about the CURRENT piece of news instead of rehashing the same stupid debate?
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