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All of these I will never ever see in store.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:The Shadow Striker and crasher rumors are juicy. Those are 2 characters I really want to see happen, and hopefully they happen well. Especially Shadow Striker. I loved her in Cyberverse

Yes, I am excited too. Hopefully Shadow Striker will be Cyberverse based. But on the downside, Crasher might be made from earthrise mirage, which is an awful mold and even worse for crasher. Lio convoy was a surprise too. I dont know anything about beast wars 2 story line, but my fanfic was that Lio Convoy is Cheetor as a prime.

So they'll put these up for pre-order, possibly at the same time that they're going on shelves, but those that PO will have to wait 6 months for their orders to be filled.

By equal measure that if they are mentioning diaclone as a universe and they aren't mentioning IDW as one at all is just as great XD

blackeyedprime wrote:By equal measure that if they are mentioning diaclone as a universe and they aren't mentioning IDW as one at all is just as great XD

They probably think they'll be confusing people by having to specify which IDW comic universe it's from, like imagine if they did a character that originated within the Marvel UK comic line... in fact they may not designate comic universes for that reason.

ZeroWolf wrote:

blackeyedprime wrote:By equal measure that if they are mentioning diaclone as a universe and they aren't mentioning IDW as one at all is just as great XD

They probably think they'll be confusing people by having to specify which IDW comic universe it's from, like imagine if they did a character that originated within the Marvel UK comic line... in fact they may not designate comic universes for that reason.

They do use "Comic Universe" for Marvel UK-original character Impactor, while the similar comic-original character Jhiaxus is instead labeled as "G2 Universe".

Sabrblade wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

blackeyedprime wrote:By equal measure that if they are mentioning diaclone as a universe and they aren't mentioning IDW as one at all is just as great XD

They probably think they'll be confusing people by having to specify which IDW comic universe it's from, like imagine if they did a character that originated within the Marvel UK comic line... in fact they may not designate comic universes for that reason.

They do use "Comic Universe" for Marvel UK-original character Impactor, while the similar comic-original character Jhiaxus is instead labeled as "G2 Universe".

Ah I forgot about impactor

ZeroWolf wrote:

blackeyedprime wrote:By equal measure that if they are mentioning diaclone as a universe and they aren't mentioning IDW as one at all is just as great XD

They probably think they'll be confusing people by having to specify which IDW comic universe it's from, like imagine if they did a character that originated within the Marvel UK comic line... in fact they may not designate comic universes for that reason.

Probably that. I just asscoiate the word Universe with Transformers as being repaints from anyhwere in transformers due to the old toyline than specific set Universes anyways. A Universe Universe labelling would probably be more confusfing than comic universes listing

blackeyedprime wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

blackeyedprime wrote:By equal measure that if they are mentioning diaclone as a universe and they aren't mentioning IDW as one at all is just as great XD

They probably think they'll be confusing people by having to specify which IDW comic universe it's from, like imagine if they did a character that originated within the Marvel UK comic line... in fact they may not designate comic universes for that reason.

Probably that. I just asscoiate the word Universe with Transformers as being repaints from anyhwere in transformers due to the old toyline than specific set Universes anyways. A Universe Universe labelling would probably be more confusfing than comic universes listing

You'd probably have to specify which universe line since Hasbro used it twice

chuckdawg1999 wrote:So they'll put these up for pre-order, possibly at the same time that they're going on shelves, but those that PO will have to wait 6 months for their orders to be filled.

That's just customary at this point.

Isn't it a little weird that "Diaclone Universe" is a thing? They weren't characters in that line, they were just vehicles that happened to turn into robots with drivers so it isn't like they're bringing over an established character. And then there's the fact that Clampdown is already established in G1. Speaking of which, where's "G1 Universe"?

Also...



2000?

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:I dont know anything about beast wars 2 story line, but my fanfic was that Lio Convoy is Cheetor as a prime.

Did you know Cheetor actually has an official old man lion upgrade?

Emerje

Emerje wrote:Isn't it a little weird that "Diaclone Universe" is a thing? They weren't characters in that line, they were just vehicles that happened to turn into robots with drivers so it isn't like they're bringing over an established character. And then there's the fact that Clampdown is already established in G1. Speaking of which, where's "G1 Universe"?

Also...



2000?

As opposed to "Robots in Disguise 2015 Universe Strongarm" and "Robots in Disguise 2015 Universe Steeljaw" that we'll be getting in a future Legacy line--if there's any justice in the universe(s).

We're not going to see "Aligned Universe" on packaging after all.

Emerje wrote:Isn't it a little weird that "Diaclone Universe" is a thing? They weren't characters in that line, they were just vehicles that happened to turn into robots with drivers so it isn't like they're bringing over an established character. And then there's the fact that Clampdown is already established in G1. Speaking of which, where's "G1 Universe"?

Also...



2000?

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:I dont know anything about beast wars 2 story line, but my fanfic was that Lio Convoy is Cheetor as a prime.

Did you know Cheetor actually has an official old man lion upgrade?

Emerje

Yes, but that's just awfully stupid.

Emerje wrote:Isn't it a little weird that "Diaclone Universe" is a thing? They weren't characters in that line, they were just vehicles that happened to turn into robots with drivers so it isn't like they're bringing over an established character. And then there's the fact that Clampdown is already established in G1.

These universe labels are nonsense. Hasbro can pretend that they mean anything of value all they want, but they're just blah. Esepcially Impactor's "Comic Universe" label when he's a G1 character too.

Emerje wrote:Speaking of which, where's "G1 Universe"?

Since the premise is that a bunch of characters from non-G1 universes are coming over into a G1 universe, the default universe that Legacy is set in is the "G1 Universe" and thus doesn't need to be labeled in Hasbro's eyes.

Though, the online bios unlockable with the toys' QR codes does contain "G1 Universe" and "Beast Wars Universe" labels for the G1 and BW toys that lack any on-package universe labels.

Emerje wrote:I

Also...



2000?


Emerje

Technically the Car Robots cartoon and toy line it is based off of started in the year 2000.

While the North American Robots in Disguise cartoon and toy line started in 2001.

The "Black Convoy" toy was released in 2000 in Japan.

AcademyofDrX wrote:

Emerje wrote:Isn't it a little weird that "Diaclone Universe" is a thing? They weren't characters in that line, they were just vehicles that happened to turn into robots with drivers so it isn't like they're bringing over an established character. And then there's the fact that Clampdown is already established in G1. Speaking of which, where's "G1 Universe"?

Also...



2000?

As opposed to "Robots in Disguise 2015 Universe Strongarm" and "Robots in Disguise 2015 Universe Steeljaw" that we'll be getting in a future Legacy line--if there's any justice in the universe(s).

We're not going to see "Aligned Universe" on packaging after all.

I thought Emerje's point was more that Robots in Disguise was more commonly put as Robots in Disguise 2001 (with Car Robots having debuted in 2000)

Walmart exclusive.....great we do not have those here. Hopefully Hasbro will allow overseas dealers to order them. I really want to get Cosmos.

All those packing shots are really pretty.

Please let me be strong, I do not need to buy all of them even if I want to

At least it ended up somewhere I guess. It's sort of like the 2008 Universe line packaging and website calling out the "series" for each figure.

ZeroWolf wrote:I thought Emerje's point was more that Robots in Disguise was more commonly put as Robots in Disguise 2001 (with Car Robots having debuted in 2000)

Bingo! They came so close to making another fan term official (like G1), but got the year wrong. Hasbro didn't release Car Robots so there's no reason for them to use 2000 here and there's no longer any question that this figure is Scourge from the 2001 line now. Back then (I don't really see it used anymore), before RID2001 we were calling Car Robots "Car Robots 2000" because that name itself was borrowed from the original Diaclone toy car line that gave us much of the '84 lineup.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:At least it ended up somewhere I guess. It's sort of like the 2008 Universe line packaging and website calling out the "series" for each figure.

ZeroWolf wrote:I thought Emerje's point was more that Robots in Disguise was more commonly put as Robots in Disguise 2001 (with Car Robots having debuted in 2000)

Bingo! They came so close to making another fan term official (like G1), but got the year wrong. Hasbro didn't release Car Robots so there's no reason for them to use 2000 here and there's no longer any question that this figure is Scourge from the 2001 line now. Back then (I don't really see it used anymore), before RID2001 we were calling Car Robots "Car Robots 2000" because that name itself was borrowed from the original Diaclone toy car line that gave us much of the '84 lineup.

Emerje

It feels to me like Hasbro wanted to have its cake and eat it too, wanting to use the "Robots in Disguise" name of the English version, but still retain the original year of the toys' first release in any market, trying to please everyone but ultimately pleasing no one.

Not really sure who they're trying to please with the 2000, though. When these get released in Japan (and there's no reason to think they wont since Takara Tomy was so heavily involved and they released the Netflix line over there) they'll probably change some of the universe names as well to better reflect their own.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:Not really sure who they're trying to please with the 2000, though.

There's always the crowd that would go "Um, AKSHUWALLY, the original toys were first released in Japan the year before in 2000, so it should say 2000 not 2001!"

Emerje wrote:When these get released in Japan (and there's no reason to think they wont since Takara Tomy was so heavily involved and they released the Netflix line over there) they'll probably change some of the universe names as well to better reflect their own.

Emerje

I doubt it, since every Generations toy shared between Hasbro and Takara since Power of the Primes has kept its Hasbro name in the Takara releases.

And some even before then like the Armada Starscream and Armada Megatron toys from Thrilling 30 being released in Japanese Generations and Legends, respectively, with the "Armada" part of their names intact despite the Japanese version of that series having been named "Legends of the Microns".

Emerje wrote:Not really sure who they're trying to please with the 2000, though. When these get released in Japan (and there's no reason to think they wont since Takara Tomy was so heavily involved and they released the Netflix line over there) they'll probably change some of the universe names as well to better reflect their own.

Emerje

The original listing was for Black Convoy. So it would have been Black Convoy, Car Robots 2000. But they ultimately went for Scourge and changed the name of the show without changing the year.

william-james88 wrote:

Emerje wrote:Not really sure who they're trying to please with the 2000, though. When these get released in Japan (and there's no reason to think they wont since Takara Tomy was so heavily involved and they released the Netflix line over there) they'll probably change some of the universe names as well to better reflect their own.

Emerje

The original listing was for Black Convoy. So it would have been Black Convoy, Car Robots 2000. But they ultimately went for Scourge and changed the name of the show without changing the year.

Ow! This conversation has gone on so long, and now I think I might have a major headache lol

Sabrblade wrote:

Emerje wrote:Not really sure who they're trying to please with the 2000, though.

There's always the crowd that would go "Um, AKSHUWALLY, the original toys were first released in Japan the year before in 2000, so it should say 2000 not 2001!"

That's got to be the minority though, right? I mean if we started dating things based on when toys first appeared outs of Hasbro's reach that would really upend a lot of dates.

Emerje wrote:When these get released in Japan (and there's no reason to think they wont since Takara Tomy was so heavily involved and they released the Netflix line over there) they'll probably change some of the universe names as well to better reflect their own.

Emerje

I doubt it, since every Generations toy shared between Hasbro and Takara since Power of the Primes has kept its Hasbro name in the Takara releases.

Sure, but we haven't seen them spell out the universes like this in a while, and since they aren't really sharing packaging anymore (Takara Tomy appears to be dropping window boxes all together ahead of Hasbro now) so there's room for flexibility.

And some even before then like the Armada Starscream and Armada Megatron toys from Thrilling 30 being released in Japanese Generations and Legends, respectively, with the "Armada" part of their names intact despite the Japanese version of that series having been named "Legends of the Microns".

You know, I've never actually looked at those names as having the same meanings in Japanese. I always thought of them as just titles for their new bodies and not their origin, we've seen this done a bunch of times for Japanese releases and even Hasbro ones (Solar Storm Grapple).

Emerje