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Munkky wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:He got a leader class figure and a rerelease in the spoiler pack. I don't think he'll be the Commander Class figure. So far we got 2 Autobots so it's time for a Decepticon. But who? Which Decepticon fits that size scale-wise from G1?

Overlord, easily. He'd come out in perfect cartoon scale with Legends God Ginrai.

Another Overlord would be nice, but judging by that poster we're going to have Megatron, Galvatron and Beast Wars Megatron in this line, so a fourth villain leader would probably be a bit of overkill.

1. Two of those are technically the same guy, and while them being on the poster means they'll be in the story... it doesn't necessarily mean both forms will be in the Kingdom line itself.
2. The villains in Transformers are very prone to factionalism as well as uneasy alliances. So having multiple villain leaders is perfect for that.
3. Overlord fits the size class very well, and would be able to give the baddies an exquisite base.

Munkky wrote:Speaking of the poster, can anyone figure out what that pink thing above Tigatron is?

I think it's Arcee.

Sabrblade wrote:

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:Of course the Beast Wars characters are mostly getting their waste-extraction units handed to them by Unicron's successor.

Twas just the beginning of the battle. They had to show how dire it was before the tide was eventually turned.

Oh, oh! Much, much better! Thank you.

I want an updated Depth Charge.

Wouldnt mind Magmatron as a commander class but that's probably because I've never had a figure of him. I think commander class is a bit overpriced for three combiners but it's cheaper than big powered so not sure if it would work or not. So far the commander classes have been figures that havent suited easy repaint options, not sure if that is going to continue or if a new class would be needed for 3 team member combiners, but it would be nice to see them.

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Zeedust wrote:Also, note that 2021 is the 25th anniversary of Beast Wars.

And the 35th anniversary of TFTM. Beast Wars came out during TFTM's tenth anniversary, so the two are stuck sharing anniversary years.

As someone who is... not a fan of the 1986 movie, it bites that Beast Wars gets overshadowed by it.

I'm sure that's a popular conversation starter.

sol magnus wrote:

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Zeedust wrote:Also, note that 2021 is the 25th anniversary of Beast Wars.

And the 35th anniversary of TFTM. Beast Wars came out during TFTM's tenth anniversary, so the two are stuck sharing anniversary years.

As someone who is... not a fan of the 1986 movie, it bites that Beast Wars gets overshadowed by it.

I'm sure that's a popular conversation starter.

Probably depends on the audience. It wouldn't bother me and I think beast wars should be celebrated more as the line that saved TF and allowed it to keep going. The movie also deserves to be celebrated for the risks it took (despite being cynically motivated).

Commander Tidal Wave would fit the billl, plus you can make him combinable with Galvatron. As for the titan, maybe Warden got his wish. It has been 7-8 years since Metroplex was made

ZeroWolf wrote:

sol magnus wrote:

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Zeedust wrote:Also, note that 2021 is the 25th anniversary of Beast Wars.

And the 35th anniversary of TFTM. Beast Wars came out during TFTM's tenth anniversary, so the two are stuck sharing anniversary years.

As someone who is... not a fan of the 1986 movie, it bites that Beast Wars gets overshadowed by it.

I'm sure that's a popular conversation starter.

Probably depends on the audience. It wouldn't bother me and I think beast wars should be celebrated more as the line that saved TF and allowed it to keep going. The movie also deserves to be celebrated for the risks it took (despite being cynically motivated).

I think Transformers would have come back anyway, but I don't discount Beast Wars part in it. I miss my Beast Wars collection (which was actually 95% based on the show - I got a couple others that were just cool toys) and I'll get some of the Kingdom guys.

The cynical motivation of Hasbro for Transformers: The Movie does nothing to change seeing it in the theater at 11 years old, just like the constant thought revision throughout the years (my own) on it's implications in the franchise. All that is meta-talk, but when I watch it with my kids none of that matters.

My kids don't care much for it which is fine by me. I used to love it myself their age but I think I've changed along the line

sol magnus wrote:I think Transformers would have come back anyway, but I don't discount Beast Wars part in it. I miss my Beast Wars collection (which was actually 95% based on the show - I got a couple others that were just cool toys) and I'll get some of the Kingdom guys.

I have no doubt that Transformers would still be a popular property if you take Beast Wars out of the equation. However, when you look around at other comparable franchises like Masters of the Universe, G.I. Joe, or even Voltron or My Little Pony, they pale in comparison to the range of toys and media that we get. The Bay movies probably still would have happened, but multiple animated franchises? Four or five major fictional universes, and not just continuous but multiple overlapping toylines? Transformers isn't just nostalgia media for aging nerds but a vibrant ever-evolving multi-generational cultural touchstone. I don't think you have that without the success of Beast Wars.

AcademyofDrX wrote:

sol magnus wrote:I think Transformers would have come back anyway, but I don't discount Beast Wars part in it. I miss my Beast Wars collection (which was actually 95% based on the show - I got a couple others that were just cool toys) and I'll get some of the Kingdom guys.

I have no doubt that Transformers would still be a popular property if you take Beast Wars out of the equation. However, when you look around at other comparable franchises like Masters of the Universe, G.I. Joe, or even Voltron or My Little Pony, they pale in comparison to the range of toys and media that we get. The Bay movies probably still would have happened, but multiple animated franchises? Four or five major fictional universes, and not just continuous but multiple overlapping toylines? Transformers isn't just nostalgia media for aging nerds but a vibrant ever-evolving multi-generational cultural touchstone. I don't think you have that without the success of Beast Wars.

Maybe. Maybe not.

I said I wasn't discounting Beast Wars.

I know, I'm not arguing so much as using comparable toy lines to compare how good we have it, and to emphasize the way Beast Wars fundamentally expanded what the franchise could be. The diversity of universes, storylines, and toy play features are some of Transformers' greatest strengths, and Beast Wars was proof for those concepts. We'll never know what the brand would be like without it, but we're definitely better off.

More broadly, there just aren't any other successful toy IPs on this level. TFs might not be as big as the major movie- or comics-led properties, but they're the next best thing.

AcademyofDrX wrote:I know, I'm not arguing so much as using comparable toy lines to compare how good we have it, and to emphasize the way Beast Wars fundamentally expanded what the franchise could be. The diversity of universes, storylines, and toy play features are some of Transformers' greatest strengths, and Beast Wars was proof for those concepts. We'll never know what the brand would be like without it, but we're definitely better off.

More broadly, there just aren't any other successful toy IPs on this level. TFs might not be as big as the major movie- or comics-led properties, but they're the next best thing.

Hey, I've been obsessed with them for 36 years, so they must be good.

Although I don't see buying any of the BW figures, I do hope they're good. I'd say the ER figures in some ways are a step-up in the grand scheme of updates, however one challenge I've always seen with BW is the compromises that have to be made because of such contrasting modes and of course the transformations.

My initial thought with Kingdom is that it's an attempt to get G1 fans swayed to Beastland, and if nothing else, gives BW fans a nod and some hope for updated figures in future lines past what we know of.
But I'm worried that it's a stretch for both fan bases and could end up being a letdown for all.
Basically meaning 6 episodes isn't many to do a ton; I'm prepared for holes in the plot and unanswered questions.
Who knows, maybe it'll be genius.

Either way, it's helping to justify more figures. So there's that.

I'd expect the Earthrise cartoon to lay the groundwork for a transition so assuming that episodes stay the same across three series there will be 18 across the whole trilogy.

ZeroWolf wrote:Commander Tidal Wave would fit the billl, plus you can make him combinable with Galvatron. As for the titan, maybe Warden got his wish. It has been 7-8 years since Metroplex was made

I think you're right about Metroplex getting redone, but I also believe Tidal Wave deserves a titan class figure as well.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:Commander Tidal Wave would fit the billl, plus you can make him combinable with Galvatron. As for the titan, maybe Warden got his wish. It has been 7-8 years since Metroplex was made

I think you're right about Metroplex getting redone, but I also believe Tidal Wave deserves a titan class figure as well.

To be honest, I'd be happy enough with either. Just think it's time for a con commander (a conmander?) And unless they start doing multiple characters at the price point, I'm drawing a blank on characters that (besides redos like Overlord or smaller comics based Scorponok)

ZeroWolf wrote:I'd expect the Earthrise cartoon to lay the groundwork for a transition so assuming that episodes stay the same across three series there will be 18 across the whole trilogy.

Transition to WHAT seems to be the question. Will it continue to be fanservice? Will the series..ahem...transform the line to something new and original? Will the dead horse that is Geewun continue to yield bacteria and gasses that turn into VERY VERY VERY slight changes in current molds like BB, Starscream, Prime, and Megs with new labeling? Or can the dirt finally absorb that corpse and digest it, using it to turn the old, tired, beaten-into-the-ground ideas into something new, exciting, and beautiful?

I'll put my money that someone at Hasbro froze parts of that dead horse for later use and will thaw it out for use...

I just realized that because it'll be RID2001 20th anniversary next year, we might see some a Kingdom Sky-Byte, with a SELECTS repaint as Cybershark

Sentinel_Primal wrote:I just realized that because it'll be RID2001 20th anniversary next year, we might see some a Kingdom Sky-Byte, with a SELECTS repaint as Cybershark

It was actually Car Robots (the Japanese original) 20th anniversary This Year. So far.. We got nothing for it.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

Sentinel_Primal wrote:I just realized that because it'll be RID2001 20th anniversary next year, we might see some a Kingdom Sky-Byte, with a SELECTS repaint as Cybershark

It was actually Car Robots (the Japanese original) 20th anniversary This Year. So far.. We got nothing for it.

I can live in denial hope that we'll get some toy only characters

Sentinel_Primal wrote:I just realized that because it'll be RID2001 20th anniversary next year, we might see some a Kingdom Sky-Byte, with a SELECTS repaint as Cybershark

We just got new Sky-Byte toys in Cyberverse, on top of the Voyager class Sky-Byte we got back in Thrilling 30.

Sentinel_Primal wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

Sentinel_Primal wrote:I just realized that because it'll be RID2001 20th anniversary next year, we might see some a Kingdom Sky-Byte, with a SELECTS repaint as Cybershark

It was actually Car Robots (the Japanese original) 20th anniversary This Year. So far.. We got nothing for it.

I can live in denial hope that we'll get some toy only characters

A haiku in honor of this post:

Car Robots has turned twenty
Sky Byte May Still Come
But Hasbro Hates Firetruck Prime

Sentinel_Primal wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

Sentinel_Primal wrote:I just realized that because it'll be RID2001 20th anniversary next year, we might see some a Kingdom Sky-Byte, with a SELECTS repaint as Cybershark

It was actually Car Robots (the Japanese original) 20th anniversary This Year. So far.. We got nothing for it.

I can live in denial hope that we'll get some toy only characters

Cybershark? Absolutely!




The Lesser, puerile derivative, absolutely not!

First-Aid wrote:

Sentinel_Primal wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

Sentinel_Primal wrote:I just realized that because it'll be RID2001 20th anniversary next year, we might see some a Kingdom Sky-Byte, with a SELECTS repaint as Cybershark

It was actually Car Robots (the Japanese original) 20th anniversary This Year. So far.. We got nothing for it.

I can live in denial hope that we'll get some toy only characters

A haiku in honor of this post:

Car Robots has turned twenty
Sky Byte May Still Come
But Hasbro Hates Firetruck Prime

That is not a haiku.

Sabrblade wrote:

First-Aid wrote:

Sentinel_Primal wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

Sentinel_Primal wrote:I just realized that because it'll be RID2001 20th anniversary next year, we might see some a Kingdom Sky-Byte, with a SELECTS repaint as Cybershark

It was actually Car Robots (the Japanese original) 20th anniversary This Year. So far.. We got nothing for it.

I can live in denial hope that we'll get some toy only characters

A haiku in honor of this post:

Car Robots has turned twenty
Sky Byte May Still Come
But Hasbro Hates Firetruck Prime

That is not a haiku.

You're right. I got my syllable counts backwards. It's an Anti-Haiku.