The Energon Pub

by **ZeldaTheSwordsman** » Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:34 am

Sabrblade wrote:
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:But there's also the fact that the engineering for the signature combined jet mode is laughable: A single 5mm peg on Blackwing, plugged into Dreadwind's hand/foot port. That's it.
There is a way to use their combiner hands to friction-lock their wings together for a slightly more secure combination, but that's for another thread.

Yes, I know about that. I believe I even posted a picture in said thread.

But it's still not a truly secure connection, and the accuracy problem stands.
Getting more solid versions of them would also probably get us a Takara-initiated SELECTS Hydra and Buster to further complete the Masterforce cast.

News Credits: 48 · by **Nemesis Primal** » Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:40 am

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:
Nemesis Primal wrote:
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:...But what does it matter?
We're all gonna die.

Thanks for the vote of confidence, Rattrap.
...Close enough. And that's what I was talking about.

Yeah, the longer I looked at what you said, the more I realized that this was what you were getting at. :oops:

As for the other stuff:

Dreadwind: I don't disagree with you on him being inaccurate and that if the design team wants to redo him that people will be interested, I'm merely saying that I have no real stake in getting a new one and I just want unique characters/designs to have priority over redos. Bring on Needlenose please, he's waited long enough.
Ravage: 1 is a fair point (I have issues sometimes with reading tone and I didn't notice the emoticon, that would have helped), and looking back it seems that 2 is accurate and it was someone else that mentioned Ravage still happening using the Season 1 design, so that's my bad. And yes, it would not be an accurate BW Ravage to the show, but there's no rule anywhere that says getting a Ravage now means not getting one if a Transmetal Cheetor mold comes out later (in fact the opposite seems to be true, it certainly isn't stopping the ER Datsuns... :roll:

). Plus, having checked TFWiki, the black repaint of Season 1 Cheetor that DID exist, Shadow Panther, got retroactively turned into an alias of Ravage while undercover anyway, so the idea of Ravage as a Season 1 Cheetor repaint isn't without precedent (and I imagine Selects/Netflix Ravage is an easier sell than Selects/Netflix Shadow Panther anyway, who named that guy).

News Credits: 19 · by **blackeyedprime** » Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:22 am

If the core class turns out to be true, then we have legends sized figures again (probably only after Hasbro has sold bee and bugbite as deluxes...).

Also if true, we might see toy only Beast wars stuff in Kingdoms mainline rather than just as selects repaints with the core sized megatron/Optimus likely being the gator and bat to go with rattrap.

by **ZeldaTheSwordsman** » Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:41 am

I have mixed feelings about the Core class. On the one hand, it'll be nice to have a smaller regular class again...
But on the other hand, it comes at the cost of the Battlemasters. And I was hoping to see those continue with some more money and effort invested into the gun ones.

News Credits: 19 · by **blackeyedprime** » Wed Jul 22, 2020 4:08 am

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I have mixed feelings about the Core class. On the one hand, it'll be nice to have a smaller regular class again...
But on the other hand, it comes at the cost of the Battlemasters. And I was hoping to see those continue with some more money and effort invested into the gun ones.

Article rumor states its micromasters not battlemasters that are being dropped -which is even worse when it means micromaster teams will never be complete and makes the connectivity/bases forgotten.

News Credits: 17 · by **AcademyofDrX** » Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:13 am

Where are the Core class rumors coming from? Is this pure speculation or is it informed by something?

News Credits: 6 · by **AllNewSuperRobot** » Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:14 am

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:...But what does it matter?
We're all gonna die.

"Well that's just dandy!" :-D

william-james88 wrote:
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote: But it wouldn't be the BW Ravage that everyone is truly craving.

Is the BW ravage everyone craving a humanoid robotic jaguar that turns into a cassette tape? Cause that's the one I want.

Absolutely! He is the long shot, the dream, as far as the Beast Wars MP collection goes for me.

As far as Redecos of Cheetor for this line, Tripredacus Agent is always a possibility. In my eyes he is definitely a better version of that mold aesthetically than Season One Cheetor.

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:24 am

AcademyofDrX wrote:Where are the Core class rumors coming from? Is this pure speculation or is it informed by something?

From the TFW user who originally posted the very first Kingdom rumors and rumors from other lines (like Studio Series Leader class Snarl w/ Daniel) that have so far turned out to be true.

This thread and the original Kingdom thread were recently merged together, so all of the known Kingdom info is now available back near the beginning of the thread, and which I've compiled together on the previous page since none of it had been carried over to the new Kingdom thread before the merge.

News Credits: 6 · by **AllNewSuperRobot** » Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:30 am

specific figures they mentioned.

Core class:
Optimus Prime
Megatron
Rattrap

Deluxe:
Cheetor
Airazor

Voyager:
Dinobot
Optimus Primal
G1 Inferno

Leader:
BW Megatron
Rodimus Prime with Trailer

Okay as I'm only really familiar with old BW sizing terms, so if I'm reading this right then Core = Basic?
If so that is a tiny Megatron and Prime to be in the same class as Rattrap?

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:36 am

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:If so that is a tiny Megatron and Prime to be in the same class as Rattrap?

Probably just a means to have them in the line (maybe meeting some corporate requirement that says they gotta have Prime and Megatron in every line now or something) while freeing up as many Voyager and Leader spots as they can for the line's new characters.

News Credits: 17 · by **AcademyofDrX** » Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:51 am

So is this expected to be Legends sized, Prime / Battle Masters sized, or somewhere between Legends and Deluxe?

News Credits: 6 · by **AllNewSuperRobot** » Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:55 am

Sabrblade wrote:
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:If so that is a tiny Megatron and Prime to be in the same class as Rattrap?
Probably just a means to have them in the line (maybe meeting some corporate requirement that says they gotta have Prime and Megatron in every line now or something) while freeing up as many Voyager and Leader spots as they can for the line's new characters.

You never know, if they do maintain that size, it might mean they are doing something new or remotely interesting with the pair of them? It is weird this line will have both Megatrons and Galvatron too :-?

As I mentioned earlier, this would be an ideal time to give the G1 characters some better and more appropriate alt-modes. No roads in the Beast Era, after all.

News Credits: 1350 · by **ZeroWolf** » Wed Jul 22, 2020 10:00 am

They might give Prime his trex form from Rescue Bots

remember though that the core class may replace Micromasters then battle masters. I'm more curious as to the fossilizers

News Credits: 17 · by **AcademyofDrX** » Wed Jul 22, 2020 10:05 am

Someone else has probably said this, but I'm wondering if they'll do the Primal bat and Megatron croc.

News Credits: 1642 · by **D-Maximal_Primal** » Wed Jul 22, 2020 10:13 am

AcademyofDrX wrote:Someone else has probably said this, but I'm wondering if they'll do the Primal bat and Megatron croc.

This would be something pretty cool and sort of random but still awesome to happen

News Credits: 1 · by **bluecatcinema** » Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:56 pm

I think I'm most interested in seeing how they'll be handling Magnaboss. The fact that he's in the same class as Tidal Wave suggests that he'll still be three individuals that combine into one...

News Credits: 48 · by **Nemesis Primal** » Wed Jul 22, 2020 2:00 pm

bluecatcinema wrote:I think I'm most interested in seeing how they'll be handling Magnaboss. The fact that he's in the same class as Tidal Wave suggests that he'll still be three individuals that combine into one...

...they won't be handling it? That leak already got heavily dissected on the Selects thread, it's fake. The credible leaker blatantly said that neither the Commander or Titan figure for next year is a Beast Wars character.

News Credits: 42 · by **Autobot N** » Wed Jul 22, 2020 2:01 pm

bluecatcinema wrote:I think I'm most interested in seeing how they'll be handling Magnaboss. The fact that he's in the same class as Tidal Wave suggests that he'll still be three individuals that combine into one...

If you're talking about that leak with Commander Magnaboss and Titan Tidal Wave, it's 100% fake. For one, it apparently comes from a guy who has a history of making fake leaks. Second, the TFW leaker said that the Titan and Commander weren't BW characters, so this leak can't be true.

News Credits: 19 · by **blackeyedprime** » Wed Jul 22, 2020 2:15 pm

I'm still hoping the commander class is beast machines

Magmatron, that would mae him not a beast wars character...

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Wed Jul 22, 2020 2:18 pm

blackeyedprime wrote:I'm still hoping the commander class is beast machines Magmatron, that would mae him not a beast wars character...

Magmatron is a Beast Wars Neo character.

And he's not a combiner. He's just a slightly-bigger-than-average guy (like Megatron) who happens to have three component altmodes.

News Credits: 2 · by **First-Aid** » Wed Jul 22, 2020 2:34 pm

Sabrblade wrote:
blackeyedprime wrote:I'm still hoping the commander class is beast machines Magmatron, that would mae him not a beast wars character...
Magmatron is a Beast Wars Neo character.

And he's not a combiner. He's just a slightly-bigger-than-average guy (like Megatron) who happens to have three component altmodes.

So...let's upgrade him then! Robot modes for all three alt-modes! WE HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY...

News Credits: 6 · by **AllNewSuperRobot** » Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:22 pm

Or something like this, maybe?

News Credits: 2 · by **First-Aid** » Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:25 pm

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

Or something like this, maybe?

Submarine, tank and aircraft? Very nice!

News Credits: 6 · by **AllNewSuperRobot** » Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:28 pm

There was some great concept art in the back of The Gathering/Ascending. Would be interesting to repurpose here. Release them as Cybertronians, without the Beast Form and suddenly you've got countless new "G1" characters.

News Credits: 19 · by **blackeyedprime** » Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:37 pm

Cool concept art, I think Magmatron would suit rotating symbols to be pred, max or unfilliated which would kind of tie in to jetfire/doubledealer/some kind of wfc play pattern anyhoos. Doubt the commander class is going to be something with a base mode if the micromasters are not in kingdom so I'm struggling to think of tall decepticons.