SkySeige wrote:I just had a very intresting thought. In ROTF we see use of the Matrix of leadership but it wasent mentioned as the "AUTOBOT" matrix of leadership, what if after the civil war broke out the first "Primes" ancestors created the "AUTOBOT" matrix of leadership ?, if thats the case wouldnt Sentinel Prime of been the last one to have it? If we asssume that, by the time Sentinel was lost they may have lost the ability to create another so Optimus never used one. We may actually get to see a handing down of the REAL Autobot matrix in this movie. Saying that its a "Bay" movie and he doesnt like giving the fans what we would love to see....oh well its atleast a good thought.
There's no confirmation that the descendants of the Primes lived one at a time.There could have been hundreds at some interval.
It's possible if such a thing as an Autobot-specific Matrix (of leadership) exists somewhere in the Movieverse, at least the fallen, as a non-Autobot, would be unable to 'use' it.
(Of course, the Primes may not be Autobots or Decepticons at all, just Primes.Autobot Primes and Decepticon Primes may only have appeared much, much later, potentially alongside quintesson Primes, even).
Still, the fallen didn't lose his capability to register within the Matrix after his identity was erased from his race...so...anything goes.(Edit 2: Of course, Sam isn't an Autobot and the Matrix registered him, turning to dust at his touch in order to teach him the rules of the game- but as far as I'm concerned that was just the Primes via Prehistory, watching the gang and remote-controlling the Matrix through itself.It's possible they and only they can actually use it).
Basically, as far as I'm concerned, Sentinel Prime was lost, and never heard from again. He could have been expected to have gone offline and therefore anticipated to eventually come back online and return for
Robo-Millennia, but didn't do so within the time frame that his civilization had the time/patience/reason to keep waiting for/remembering him, so they wrote him off as propably destroyed or else guaranteed to have gone into stasis but the stasis went faulty somehow, and therefore terminated.
Also, since magic doesn't exist in TF business, and Mysticism is just physics, the Primes were (in my book) projecting to Sam through time from Prehistory.
They can adjust the 'telepathic' frequency (G1 Soundwave can do it as well) to get straight into his head,thereby 'scanning',if not manipulating his thoughts and emotions.
As a result, they entomb themselves around the Matrix BECAUSE they know,from Sam, and perhaps also from Optimus and Jetfire, that Optimus will be in the area at a certain later date to claim it.
THEREFORE:The only plothole (relevant to this thread)that can occur is this:That if the Primes conduct 'a twittering' (as I call it) again in Dotm, specifically to Sentinel, anyone who has LEARNT of Sentinels return at a point AFTER he has returned, anyone who has SEEN Sentinel,or Sam (whom they have already linked to), then there is no way for the Primes to not know about Sentinels return during their twittering in rotf,because any cumulative knowledge they know about the future is at max by the time they confirm that Sam will be at Oprtimus's side in Egypt/Jordan.
This is the very last thing they need to know before hiding the Matrix and themselves from the fallen.
Therefore, even if Optimus uses the Matrix in Dotm to speak with them, he is speaking to them at a point before they have died.Any such interaction immediately nullifies the Primes statement to Sam that Optimus Prime is the last Prime (even if Sentinel dies at some point before or later in Dotm).
If they are shown to Twitter to the Matrix during Dotm, their statement in Rotf is again null and void.
EDIT: That's the only plothole
if we ignore Sams 'channeling' in rotf.If we factor it in, the whole Allspark/well of Sparks/Spark-of-Sparks` and any subconciously active Transformer (stasis/deep torpor/near death/the 'ghost' of Jazz) is totally aware of the expedition, it's location, it's status, and its' importance and gives it so much emphasis that the message gets pushed so far forward to Sams concious that he almost manages a sentence out of it.In which case the planned events in rotf and dotm have been nothing but a carefully precision built
plothole since TF1.
And THAT is funny!
(By the way, who said Egypt was a desert in prehistory?)
(Also, I'ver been waiting for someone to notice, that "Brother" Megatron is also a descendant if the Primes, is he not?)
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