The Energon Pub

News Credits: 42 · by **Psychout** » Fri Nov 28, 2008 7:06 pm

Tammuz wrote:and Gobots where just as cool, even had positive female role models in Pathfinder and Crasher, both who showed no obvious female physical characteristics (which makes more sense than robo boobs), and of course gobots predate transformers. oh and Spyeye is so much creepier than any TF jet.

Case in point... woman? Shouldnt be allowed an opinion.*

AZ wrote:When you're old enough to have a girlfriend...

all your money dissapears?

*srsly

by **Tammuz** » Fri Nov 28, 2008 7:10 pm

see this is what doesn't make sense, why would you have a tactic that essentially feeds another tactic? that would be a major unbalance and would lead to everyone and they're mother doing it.

course if when you taunted you couldn't avoid those attacks it would work. not that it looks anything like my "cover" suggestion a few pages back

News Credits: 3 · by **Name_Violation** » Fri Nov 28, 2008 7:21 pm

in all fairness EVERY game,except life and monopoly (actually board games) is broked somewhere.

bubble hearth? call of duty's m1a1 or sniping with mp44? 2 weapon fighting in knights of the old republic? prone diving?

there is nothing broken with being able to do things that not everyone choses to. things start getting broken when we start a power spiral. x > y so Z>X and W>X+Y. the more ballanced you try and make somethin, the easier it is to upset. ballance a pencil on a paperclip and drop a feather on it, see what happens...

News Credits: 1 · by **Absolute Zero** » Fri Nov 28, 2008 7:32 pm

Psychout wrote:
Tammuz wrote:and Gobots where just as cool, even had positive female role models in Pathfinder and Crasher, both who showed no obvious female physical characteristics (which makes more sense than robo boobs), and of course gobots predate transformers. oh and Spyeye is so much creepier than any TF jet.
Case in point... woman? Shouldnt be allowed an opinion.*

AZ wrote:When you're old enough to have a girlfriend...
all your money dissapears?

*srsly

Unless they're your sugar momma and buy you transformers.

by **Tammuz** » Fri Nov 28, 2008 7:35 pm

and that's an argument to not bother balancing? i actually take offence at that, it's wilful disregard, and incredibly lazy. the games borked so we should bork it some more? yeah i can't see that working. no, i think trying to balance the feather on the paper clip on the pencil is beatter than seeing it fall over becuase you stuck blackhole on it.

all i see with the new uber-cool powerful new stuff people want to add is a way to make xp faster, without having to put any thought or effort in, essentially get uber cool thing, make more XP, which sucks the fun out of the game.

monopoly's is borked with the oranges, and life is borked everywhere.

News Credits: 1 · by **Absolute Zero** » Fri Nov 28, 2008 7:47 pm

Monopoly is borked. the higher priced properties will bankrupt the players faster then the others. Would you rather land on Boardwalk with a hotel, or Baltic Ave with a hotel?

Most games are broken, but the brokenness doesn't really matter in single player games like KoToR where the point is killing the computer. CoD's brokenness is annoying as hell and causes people to leave it when new games without that broken feature pops up.

News Credits: 3 · by **Name_Violation** » Fri Nov 28, 2008 7:52 pm

im not sayin don't try and balance at all, i'm sayin a little overpowered here and there isn't bad.

granted i use ram because its stun works for me. avoid working against tactics would be broken unless it had a after rank 5 or need 2 skill requirement. a 100% avoid would be broke even if it didn't work against tactics (for example)...

by **Tammuz** » Fri Nov 28, 2008 8:07 pm

at best maxed out avoid gives a 60% avoid rate, which is good, but not earth shatteringly so. you can get a better damage reduction through other more xp expensive means.

avoid working against everything is GOOD idea however, as by the time you get to the point where people are running around with maxed dual tactics only 40% of attacks are avoidable so the maxed avoid rate is in fact only 24% that's less than any other maxed tactic.

avoid is broken becuase you can't defend against it(i.e your stats do not decrease the chance of being avoided), it pays out way too much early on, and nigh nothing later in the game.

News Credits: 3 · by **Name_Violation** » Fri Nov 28, 2008 8:14 pm

so since being stunnded shouldn't let you avoid, doesn't that balance? your team mates can now hit them?

how about turning stun into a significant drop to speed/avoid? you could still do things but it would be more of a dazed rather than stunned. accuracy/evasion lowered for X amount of turns?

by **Tammuz** » Fri Nov 28, 2008 8:50 pm

no it doesn't balance, since generally once a TFs stunned they don't do anything, and it generally lasts until either that TF id dead, or the mission finishes, pretty much a stun ends the missions for that TF as they tend to make no more actions.

and you can still avoid whilst stunned.

by **Superior Soundwave** » Sat Nov 29, 2008 6:54 pm

I read a few pages.. tried to get through them all but its a lot so I hope this hasn't been brought up and if it has then might as well bring it back up...

I just was wondering why it is we cannot bring our whole team (at least six of them) into one mission. Or at least more than one of ours each mission.

It would be nice to form teams of my own bots that could work together as a team.. either in the missions now or perhaps we could have a team mission section where you could put in six of yours to fight six of anothers in an arena setting or whatever...

long story short would like my transformers to be able to work as a team on the same mission / battle.

News Credits: 226 · by **Burn** » Sat Nov 29, 2008 7:01 pm

Superior Soundwave wrote:I just was wondering why it is we cannot bring our whole team (at least six of them) into one mission. Or at least more than one of ours each mission.

Because someone could set up a second account and configure their bots badly, set them against their first good configured team and allow that team to earn some cheap and easy xp.

In other words, it's open to far too much abuse.

by **Tammuz** » Sat Nov 29, 2008 7:03 pm

But isn't it one of the things OS ahs wanted to add to the game since he became the programmer?

by **Superior Soundwave** » Sat Nov 29, 2008 8:06 pm

well as it is you can find ways to exploit the system.. you could sign up for multiple accounts and donate all your money to have a super bank account...

I'm sure you can think of ways to get an advantage yourself.. I think the easy way around the problem there is that you can't pick who you are up against.. you set your team and it pits you against a random oposition team..

I just would rather my "team" work as one instead of all being in the same group but in effect all are going out there solo

by **Tammuz** » Sat Nov 29, 2008 8:14 pm

so how would missions work? where's the strategy? it pretty much robs the missions of most of there meta-game.

as for the energon thing, that not really a problem since energon's pretty worthless anyway, and the current game programmer doesn't have the evil cunning to work out how to exploit things.

News Credits: 1 · by **Redimus** » Sun Nov 30, 2008 2:16 am

Burn wrote:
Superior Soundwave wrote:I just was wondering why it is we cannot bring our whole team (at least six of them) into one mission. Or at least more than one of ours each mission.

Because someone could set up a second account and configure their bots badly, set them against their first good configured team and allow that team to earn some cheap and easy xp.

In other words, it's open to far too much abuse.

But people can do that anyway... they just have to spread it over more than 1 mission.

That really dosnt sound like a particularly valid reason for not trying it.

News Credits: 226 · by **Burn** » Sun Nov 30, 2008 2:24 am

Fearless Echoes wrote:
Burn wrote:
Superior Soundwave wrote:I just was wondering why it is we cannot bring our whole team (at least six of them) into one mission. Or at least more than one of ours each mission.

Because someone could set up a second account and configure their bots badly, set them against their first good configured team and allow that team to earn some cheap and easy xp.

In other words, it's open to far too much abuse.

But people can do that anyway... they just have to spread it over more than 1 mission.

That really dosnt sound like a particularly valid reason for not trying it.

True, but being able to dump all 6 active into one mission against your other 6 generators will make things a hell of a lot easier.

Keeps out those pesky people who are playing fairly!

News Credits: 1 · by **Redimus** » Sun Nov 30, 2008 2:30 am

Hmm.

To be honest, I dont have an opinion on team missions either way. I'd rather be given the chance to try em out before deciding their worth/their risk.

News Credits: 3 · by **Name_Violation** » Sun Nov 30, 2008 2:45 am

technically you could do that with the arena now.throw 6 in there on 2 factions. whats the diff?

News Credits: 226 · by **Burn** » Sun Nov 30, 2008 2:56 am

Name_Violation wrote:technically you could do that with the arena now.throw 6 in there on 2 factions. whats the diff?

You could even set up a script that automatically ran every hour or so to activate and deploy your teams!

Point is, there's lots of ways some of these ideas can be exploited, and there's always going to be someone out there wanting to try to do so. Threads like this are good because ideas presented can be picked apart and analysed for any potential exploits and have 'em plugged before implementation.

Of course if people REALLY wanted team missions ... well that was one of the options intended for my version of the Challenge Arena ...

by **Loki God Of Mischief** » Sun Nov 30, 2008 3:16 am

I think the Challenge Arena should just be the Arena. I say you make the payout on the Arena to be 0 xp and whatever Energon is gambled. Winner takes the money, loser walks. I think it would put people into missions and it would make the arena different from the Missions. Maybe there could be a betting pool for active arena fights (ones that haven't finished) with calculated odds and such. You place your bet, you're given a marker, and you wait for the results. Winnings are credited to your account.

Now, I realise some of that won't happen, but some of my ideas are pretty good. At least in my head they are.

News Credits: 3 · by **Name_Violation** » Sun Nov 30, 2008 3:57 am

up the ante. equal teams,1 on 1 2 on 2, 6 on 6,combatents same levels. bet xp.. spectators can bet the energon, winner can get a % of energon betted.

just flowin with the idea

even if it was just 1 on 1 still it woul be awesome to bet your xp on a charater. cocky-ness at its finest. opponent has to call your ante, or can raise you(?)

:twisted:

by **Loki God Of Mischief** » Sun Nov 30, 2008 4:08 am

Name_Violation wrote:up the ante. equal teams,1 on 1 2 on 2, 6 on 6,combatents same levels. bet xp.. spectators can bet the energon, winner can get a % of energon betted.

just flowin with the idea

even if it was just 1 on 1 still it woul be awesome to bet your xp on a charater. cocky-ness at its finest. opponent has to call your ante, or can raise you(?)

No. No XP for the arena. I hate the idea of the arena being a safe haven for cowards and lone wolfs. Let them go there for bragging rights and money only. And into missions where they belong. Their factions need them in missions. Not in the arena.

by **Nickolai** » Sun Nov 30, 2008 4:16 am

Something like what Merc said, but more like Marvel/Capcom tag games. 2 on 2, except that you can't tag and get auto-replaced when the starting member of your team gets stasis locked.

Bonus gold and exp to each team if the starting member can kill both members of the opposing team.

News Credits: 226 · by **Burn** » Sun Nov 30, 2008 4:19 am

My version of the Challenge Arena was kind of like a battle simulator.

• You'd be able to choose any opponent you wanted, even bots on your own team.
• Multiple members of your team could enter - because you could choose bots from your own team as opponents you could have fun pitting your top bot against your bottom six, if you were silly enough to want to do that.
• No XP earnt
• Energon to enter
• People would be able to gamble on outcomes.
• As it's a "simulator" there'd be no cr time afterwards.
• Did I mention NO XP? - Intended as a distraction, with missions still being the primary part of game play.

I imagined it would be a good way for people to test configurations pre and post-upgrade. Plus there'd be something for extra for people to waste energon on.