njb902 wrote:Does it count as a KO if the factory/s that made the initial run make more of them than HasTak ordered and just sell them for their own profit? I would be willing to bet this happens a lot myself.
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
Dead Metal wrote:
We already told you that that's an import, likely imported by one of the hardcore collector's stores I told you about.
Import does not equal different edition.
Just like my imported US comics aren't German market editions.
Takara does not produce for the Chinese market, the Chinese market is Hasbro's territory. Takara produces for the Japanese market and the Japanese market only.
There is another really easy way to tell that this is not a Chinese release, and it's again to do with the box, where it for the Chinese market the test would be in CHINESE, but it's not, it's in Japanese, since it's supposed to look like the real deal to fool people into buying it.
fenrir72 wrote:Dead Metal wrote:
We already told you that that's an import, likely imported by one of the hardcore collector's stores I told you about.
Import does not equal different edition.
Just like my imported US comics aren't German market editions.
Takara does not produce for the Chinese market, the Chinese market is Hasbro's territory. Takara produces for the Japanese market and the Japanese market only.
There is another really easy way to tell that this is not a Chinese release, and it's again to do with the box, where it for the Chinese market the test would be in CHINESE, but it's not, it's in Japanese, since it's supposed to look like the real deal to fool people into buying it.
aka backdoor importation? Got it!
Stormrider wrote:fenrir72 wrote:Dead Metal wrote:
We already told you that that's an import, likely imported by one of the hardcore collector's stores I told you about.
Import does not equal different edition.
Just like my imported US comics aren't German market editions.
Takara does not produce for the Chinese market, the Chinese market is Hasbro's territory. Takara produces for the Japanese market and the Japanese market only.
There is another really easy way to tell that this is not a Chinese release, and it's again to do with the box, where it for the Chinese market the test would be in CHINESE, but it's not, it's in Japanese, since it's supposed to look like the real deal to fool people into buying it.
aka backdoor importation? Got it!
ooooh... sounds painful.
DreadstarCybph wrote:Hobby shops? its more likely Hasbro.CN bought TF products from TakaraTomy, slaps their company info and release them to the local Chinese market rather than hobby shops who did the sticker thing. With Toy Hobby Shops, none of the owners would dare slap such an ugly info sticker on their Mona Lisa japan imports. Their customers would hit them on the spot
Heck, years ago , Takara-Tomy imported Hasbro's version MP Starscream (g1 deco'ed weathered look) and slaps their sticker for mass release on retail for the Japanese Market. Similar also, with what they did on with the Hasbro Human Alliance line of bayformers. They just slap their company sticker on the Hasbro packaging and that's their official release. So....there's is really no need for Hasbro.cn to create their own box for regular items. "Its being cost effective."
Btw, does anybody know how to create a proxy to make servers think you're in China? I think its the only way to have access to Hasbro.CN website. If MP12 is listed on their site. Lingering doubts resolved for many.
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
Dead Metal wrote:Still an import and not a special Chinese Market release like you constantly go on about it.
Dead Metal wrote:And again, if Lambor would be officially released in China, be it through direct release or official Hasbro import, we would have known about it. Chinese fans would have reported it already and the site would have already posted front page news.
DreadstarCybph wrote:Look DeadMetal, and readers. I'm not denying there are indeed companies that make class a KOs of TFs or counterfeit third party products. But have you taken into consideration of the latest news to hit the TF forums around the world?
1. News of a 2nd run and that a suppose KO run of MP 12 came almost at the breath of each other. - I find it too coincidental.
2. News of online sites, Reputable and popular ones, came out that they suddenly have restocks or coming in restocks of official TakaraTomy MP 12 sideswipe (which are reported here in siebertron as well) . that this incredible restocks just came also at the heals of yet again - just recent taobao listings. If anybody is into online selling and retailing, think about the lead time from the local market to the international online market . It fits.
DreadstarCybph wrote:killing gigantic wall of text
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
DreadstarCybph wrote:I reveal what I can here once my orders for the ko mp12 arrives.
DreadstarCybph wrote:Dead Metal. You're getting way too personal. Stick to the subject at hand. Disengage and approach the topic objectively without telling the other go back where you came from and all other nasty stuff. Can we agree with that? Am not a moderator at any board. Both of us are both stating what we believe as facts and just sharing our knowledge in the matter to benefit the readers.
Yes. Reputable stores do get burned when they accidentally sell a KO as an original. Nobody denies that Metroplex was Ko'ed long before the encore one was released. So the encore thing with Metroplex is highly feasible had been proven true when it got caught.
You got confirmation from one online store in Malaysia, that sells 3rd party toys that there is a knock off MP12 available in China. fine. I said illegals exist did I not? As in, most likely , manufactured and released by the same factory without permission and knowledge from the license or IP owner. What is so wrong with that statement that got to your nerves? Should we actually think that the contracted factory that is producing mp12 ,tell their buyers of the extra run, unlicensed ones, that we are the same ones producing the real ones too?
Request : Can you please ask your Malaysian source if he can research on MP12, if it had been official release for retail by Hasbro.CN ? He has access to weibo. I don't. That would be valuable info.
You don't believe there is a retail release of MP12 in the Chinese market. If it had, it would had been reported at inland Chinese fan sites because its a big thing. That is a valid point of contention. Hence the above request.
I'm miffed also at the 160 yuan (full item price)at taobao. Its about $25 to $26 USD. Your Malaysian seller/source is at 135RMB, converted roughly at the $42 to $43 USD price range . Its logical that the Malaysian store probably bought a similar 160 yuan ko mp12 from their source, add the shipping cost and the mark up , it fits his retail pricing.
160 yuan pricing fits the pricing of an illegal toy (ko'ed or otherwise). 1/3rd is the standard based on the Ko'ed BT Skids, Ko'ed Hasbro DVD MP Prime, Ko'ed Binaltechs/Alternators and so on.
The site you directed us to also give a description that the KO MP 12 is lighter and feels cheap. I'll just weigh it then.
I'll reveal what I can here once my orders for the ko mp12 arrives.
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
No offense, but your the only one not making "sense" in this thread. As Dead Metal said, all you need to do is provide some proof of what you're saying and everything would be fine. No one is going to take your word for it while all evidence is pointing in the opposite direction, so please just show us the proof or accept that people aren't going to believe what you're saying.DreadstarCybph wrote:People just have to review who posted what in the previous pages to decide who makes more sense for themselves in regards to the illegal MP 12.
william-james88 wrote:So that would also be the case for Predaking, who is also six members.
Arctorro wrote:No offense, but your the only one not making "sense" in this thread. As Dead Metal said, all you need to do is provide some proof of what you're saying and everything would be fine. No one is going to take your word for it while all evidence is pointing in the opposite direction, so please just show us the proof or accept that people aren't going to believe what you're saying.DreadstarCybph wrote:People just have to review who posted what in the previous pages to decide who makes more sense for themselves in regards to the illegal MP 12.
DreadstarCybph wrote:So you guys honestly think Takara Tomy doing nothing in China and that Hasbro.CN is the main mover and should be doing this and that? And that, there is no possibility that MP12 is released at regular retail plus Dead Metal info from an online source located inside Malaysia and not in mainland China is satisfactory.
please read the following:
http://www.takaratomy.co.jp/english/com ... ochure.pdf - Special emphasis should be considered on the globalization part.
http://www.takaratomy.co.jp/ir/financia ... al_all.pdf -
Here's the significant part on page 8:
What is the potential for the
Transformers
?
In addition to the U.S. and European markets, we will
develop the brand further in Asia, primarily focused on
China, with various media franchises including an animated
TV series, online games, video games and applications
based on the brand power that we have created to date.
those nay sayers will now point out that nowhere in the report it says MP12 is coming out in China, as well as other MPs. I already posted that the TakaraTomy TFP AM series stuff is being sold in mainland China. So if that line is being sold there and it didn't even cause a blip in the news radar, the chances of MP stuff is high as well.
AGAIN REPEATING : Not saying, there is no KO MP12. just saying there might be official ones as well as KO ones in the chinese market.
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
Dead Metal wrote:Yes, very amusing indeed,
Dead Metal wrote:Looks like you should review posts before posting.
TakaraTomy works together with Hasbro on Transformers, TakTomy has the Japanese business, while Hasbro has basically the rest of the world. That is their development of the brand in China, the same things they've been doing for the past 30 years.
Because if you stopped and actually thought about that little titbit of information, you would realize that it does not say they're going to take the Chinese Market, because if it meant that, it would also mean that they have the US and European market when it comes to Transformers.
Dead Metal wrote:And again, the Tak Prime stuff in China, are imports not specially made Chinese Market editions.
Dead Metal wrote:And yes, that is satisfactory, because that store deals with the KO company directly and has actually had a sample in hand, they also sell official Tak and Hasbro stuff, along with 3rd Party stuff.
Dead Metal wrote:Adding to that, the original reveal came from weibo, which you might remember me explaining to you, is a CHINESE blogging system, that can only be accessed and used by CHINESE people, we've gotten 3rd Party and KO reveals from there before.
Dead Metal wrote:This is the last reply, or in your special case, lesson you'll get from me. Don't even bother replying before you have actual evidence of the topic not being about a KO but of that "magical Chinese market Sideswipe" you keep going on about. Because as you've noticed, nobody believes or cares about your unfounded inane "way of thinking".
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