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Sentinel Pax wrote:
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All of which, I'm sure, this kind of vehicle is perfectly able to do, while allowing Soundwave mobility and independence, lest his mission goes ill and he finds himself in need of a speedy exit.

& between all the radar & sonar equippment & a robot mode that could possibly use sound-based attacks....it'd fit the "sound" part of the name as well.

Oh, & even better!! He could shrink down to the size of one of those Hot Wheels-sized RC vehicles so that way he could be inconspicuous when inside buildings doing recon work. Cause you know, he'd have to be the one going inside doing the dirty work.

And he woud still stick out like a sore thimb..

Nemesis Cyberplex wrote:& between all the radar & sonar equippment & a robot mode that could possibly use sound-based attacks....it'd fit the "sound" part of the name as well.

Oh, & even better!! He could shrink down to the size of one of those Hot Wheels-sized RC vehicles so that way he could be inconspicuous when inside buildings doing recon work. Cause you know, he'd have to be the one going inside doing the dirty work.

Don't be ridiculous...Soundwave can't have wheels! He must be a Matchbox brand, because they don't have "wheels" in the title! Or better yet...an elevator, so he can annoy people with annoying elevator music, and nobody will ever mistake him for a robot. EVER!

Sentinel Pax wrote:

Nemesis Cyberplex wrote:& between all the radar & sonar equippment & a robot mode that could possibly use sound-based attacks....it'd fit the "sound" part of the name as well.

Oh, & even better!! He could shrink down to the size of one of those Hot Wheels-sized RC vehicles so that way he could be inconspicuous when inside buildings doing recon work. Cause you know, he'd have to be the one going inside doing the dirty work.

Don't be ridiculous...Soundwave can't have wheels! He must be a Matchbox brand, because they don't have "wheels" in the title! Or better yet...an elevator, so he can annoy people with annoying elevator music, and nobody will ever mistake him for a robot. EVER!

silly me.

But wait....if you stepped into the elevator, you would be inside Soundwave.....would that mean that the 2 of you would have done it?

Very funny you two.

Nemesis Cyberplex wrote:

Sentinel Pax wrote:

Nemesis Cyberplex wrote:& between all the radar & sonar equippment & a robot mode that could possibly use sound-based attacks....it'd fit the "sound" part of the name as well.

Oh, & even better!! He could shrink down to the size of one of those Hot Wheels-sized RC vehicles so that way he could be inconspicuous when inside buildings doing recon work. Cause you know, he'd have to be the one going inside doing the dirty work.

Don't be ridiculous...Soundwave can't have wheels! He must be a Matchbox brand, because they don't have "wheels" in the title! Or better yet...an elevator, so he can annoy people with annoying elevator music, and nobody will ever mistake him for a robot. EVER!

silly me.

But wait....if you stepped into the elevator, you would be inside Soundwave.....would that mean that the 2 of you would have done it?

Well, my God, with all of his minions in there, too, it'd be a veritable orgy of alliterative autonomous robotic organisms!

Sentinel Pax wrote:

Nemesis Cyberplex wrote:

Sentinel Pax wrote:

Nemesis Cyberplex wrote:& between all the radar & sonar equippment & a robot mode that could possibly use sound-based attacks....it'd fit the "sound" part of the name as well.

Oh, & even better!! He could shrink down to the size of one of those Hot Wheels-sized RC vehicles so that way he could be inconspicuous when inside buildings doing recon work. Cause you know, he'd have to be the one going inside doing the dirty work.

Don't be ridiculous...Soundwave can't have wheels! He must be a Matchbox brand, because they don't have "wheels" in the title! Or better yet...an elevator, so he can annoy people with annoying elevator music, and nobody will ever mistake him for a robot. EVER!

silly me.

But wait....if you stepped into the elevator, you would be inside Soundwave.....would that mean that the 2 of you would have done it?

Well, my God, with all of his minions in there, too, it'd be a veritable orgy of alliterative autonomous robotic organisms!

Too bad he's not a Headmaster.....

Nemesis Cyberplex wrote:Too bad he's not a Headmaster.....

If Bay made his faceplate for battle only also...well, Soundwave's a lover, not a fighter.

Actually, he's neither, He's an infiltrator and observer who fights when he has to, and has the ear of Megatron.

Sentinel Pax wrote:

Nemesis Cyberplex wrote:Too bad he's not a Headmaster.....

If Bay made his faceplate for battle only also...well, Soundwave's a lover, not a fighter.

Faceplateless Headmaster Sexfiend Elevator Soundwave FTW!!

Sig edit ahoy, Cap'n!

Sentinel Pax wrote:Sig edit ahoy, Cap'n!

Heh, cool. it's good to feel loved.

er.......you get what I mean......

Hahaha...Well, now that that's out of my system...I don't even want to argue about the logic of Soundwave's alt mode choices anymore. Hooray!

I really like that above Soundwave. Drive up to the fence of a secure location, drop a creature like Ravange or Lazerbeak (maybe with holographic skins as a hawk and a cat), drive away and use satellite-dish ops while they scope the area in close and go back to him for pickup.

That's the only way I could justify him keeping 'cassettes,' because, if he could shrink, besides the goofy look and management (how is a 30' robot supposed to not be detected, or a 2' boombox even move?), then why doesn't he go spy there himself?

DesalationReborn wrote:I really like that above Soundwave. Drive up to the fence of a secure location, drop a creature like Ravange or Lazerbeak (maybe with holographic skins as a hawk and a cat), drive away and use satellite-dish ops while they scope the area in close and go back to him for pickup.

That's the only way I could justify him keeping 'cassettes,' because, if he could shrink, besides the goofy look and management (how is a 30' robot supposed to not be detected, or a 2' boombox even move?), then why doesn't he go spy there himself?

That's just it though, he would go spy there himself. That is part of his function. He works with his minions to infiltrate, gather information or record data, find the objective, aquire it, and then create confusion and chaos as he and his minions make their exit. And there is nothing "goofy" about having him shrink down as he transforms. They pulled it off with the Allspark and made it look good. They even pulled it off with Frenzy's head when it transformed to a cell phone. It will work and look good.

Tramp wrote:

DesalationReborn wrote:I really like that above Soundwave. Drive up to the fence of a secure location, drop a creature like Ravange or Lazerbeak (maybe with holographic skins as a hawk and a cat), drive away and use satellite-dish ops while they scope the area in close and go back to him for pickup.

That's the only way I could justify him keeping 'cassettes,' because, if he could shrink, besides the goofy look and management (how is a 30' robot supposed to not be detected, or a 2' boombox even move?), then why doesn't he go spy there himself?

That's just it though, he would go spy there himself. That is part of his function. He works with his minions to infiltrate, gather information or record data, find the objective, aquire it, and then create confusion and chaos as he and his minions make their exit. And there is nothing "goofy" about having him shrink down as he transforms. They pulled it off with the Allspark and made it look good. They even pulled it off with Frenzy's head when it transformed to a cell phone. It will work and look good.

I can debate, as Frenzy's head was a lot of empty space to compact (the source of the color change was the only big issue), and the cube didn't really seem right, but the "Its magic" line worked well.

But then, if he is a shrinking boombox, then how will he get into a building to spy on it as a robot without being spotted or collapsing the building, and how could he even move around to get there as a boombox?

He can spy just as well from the edge of the premises as a vehicle with any range of tools, and can have his minions to do the up-close stuff. Why does he need them if he can do it all himself?

EDIT: Nevermind-- I assume all these questions were already posed and ignored.

DesalationReborn wrote:

Tramp wrote:

DesalationReborn wrote:I really like that above Soundwave. Drive up to the fence of a secure location, drop a creature like Ravange or Lazerbeak (maybe with holographic skins as a hawk and a cat), drive away and use satellite-dish ops while they scope the area in close and go back to him for pickup.

That's the only way I could justify him keeping 'cassettes,' because, if he could shrink, besides the goofy look and management (how is a 30' robot supposed to not be detected, or a 2' boombox even move?), then why doesn't he go spy there himself?

That's just it though, he would go spy there himself. That is part of his function. He works with his minions to infiltrate, gather information or record data, find the objective, aquire it, and then create confusion and chaos as he and his minions make their exit. And there is nothing "goofy" about having him shrink down as he transforms. They pulled it off with the Allspark and made it look good. They even pulled it off with Frenzy's head when it transformed to a cell phone. It will work and look good.

I can debate, as Frenzy's head was a lot of empty space to compact (the source of the color change was the only big issue), and the cube didn't really seem right, but the "Its magic" line worked well.

But then, if he is a shrinking boombox, then how will he get into a building to spy on it as a robot without being spotted or collapsing the building, and how could he even move around to get there as a boombox?

He can spy just as well from the edge of the premises as a vehicle with any range of tools, and can have his minions to do the up-close stuff. Why does he need them if he can do it all himself?

EDIT: Nevermind-- I assume all these questions were already posed and ignored.

I've already said how. Think about this. Remember back in G1, in particular the original movie, when Megatron had Soundwave transform to play back Laserbeak's findings. He transformed into tape deck mode without shrinking. Thius means he can choose to use his mass conversion or not. Now, apply that same logic to a live action Soundwave. He needs to sneak into a building so, to do that, he retains a small size in robot mode to infiltrate and get into position, and uses his full size to cause confusion upon completion of the mission as well as in combat.

As for why he needs his minions, that ius simple. He can't do everything himself. He works best with his minions, each doing their own part. He can't do that though from the outside, and he couldn't devote all of his internal resources to his primary function with a vehicle mode either. He couldn't see what was going on inside if he were parked in a parking lot. He couldn't do anything except wait. The only information he would be getting is from his minions, and on top of that, any type of communications vehicle would be too conspicuous. A military one wouldn't fit in a city, a news van is sure to draw a crowd because it means something big is going on, and a phone company van also means something is wrong, and it going to draw attention, probably from the people that work in the building. All of that adds up to trouble.

Tramp wrote:

DesalationReborn wrote:

Tramp wrote:

DesalationReborn wrote:I really like that above Soundwave. Drive up to the fence of a secure location, drop a creature like Ravange or Lazerbeak (maybe with holographic skins as a hawk and a cat), drive away and use satellite-dish ops while they scope the area in close and go back to him for pickup.

That's the only way I could justify him keeping 'cassettes,' because, if he could shrink, besides the goofy look and management (how is a 30' robot supposed to not be detected, or a 2' boombox even move?), then why doesn't he go spy there himself?

That's just it though, he would go spy there himself. That is part of his function. He works with his minions to infiltrate, gather information or record data, find the objective, aquire it, and then create confusion and chaos as he and his minions make their exit. And there is nothing "goofy" about having him shrink down as he transforms. They pulled it off with the Allspark and made it look good. They even pulled it off with Frenzy's head when it transformed to a cell phone. It will work and look good.

I can debate, as Frenzy's head was a lot of empty space to compact (the source of the color change was the only big issue), and the cube didn't really seem right, but the "Its magic" line worked well.

But then, if he is a shrinking boombox, then how will he get into a building to spy on it as a robot without being spotted or collapsing the building, and how could he even move around to get there as a boombox?

He can spy just as well from the edge of the premises as a vehicle with any range of tools, and can have his minions to do the up-close stuff. Why does he need them if he can do it all himself?

EDIT: Nevermind-- I assume all these questions were already posed and ignored.

I've already said how. Think about this. Remember back in G1, in particular the original movie, when Megatron had Soundwave transform to play back Laserbeak's findings. He transformed into tape deck mode without shrinking. Thus means he can choose to use his mass conversion or not. Now, apply that same logic to a live action Soundwave. He needs to sneak into a building so, to do that, he retains a small size in robot mode to infiltrate and get into position, and uses his full size to cause confusion upon completion of the mission as well as in combat.

As for why he needs his minions, that ius simple. He can't do everything himself. He works best with his minions, each doing their own part. He can't do that though from the outside, and he couldn't devote all of his internal resources to his primary function with a vehicle mode either.

Again, I debate whether that ability was ever shown in the shows, or even would look good in live action-- the old movie did have him shrink as I remember. Why can't he use his shrinking to just look around a building like any of them? Why can't his never-mentioned "internal resources" work to multiple uses? And, besides, how do you think it would look to have a shrunken Soundwave standing next to Ravage?

One link I agree with:

http://www.botchthecrab.com/replies.asp?index=219

EDIT: I don't see your logic against a car other than "it's not Soundwave." If Bonecrusher or Brawl, the two stupidest and most inconspicuous of the Decepticons, can hide on a military base as military vehicles, then why not Soundwave?

EDIT2: I've see military vehicles on the highway quite often, and many times in the city when I was within 10 miles of Fort Nox. A hummer-esque vehicle isn't a sore thumb when near secure facilities, or even outside.

DesalationReborn wrote:
Again, I debate whether that ability was ever shown in the shows, or even would look good in live action-- the old movie did have him shrink as I remember. Why can't he use his shrinking to just look around a building like any of them? Why can't his never-mentioned "internal resources" work to multiple uses? And, besides, how do you think it would look to have a shrunken Soundwave standing next to Ravage?

One link I agree with:

http://www.botchthecrab.com/replies.asp?index=219

Actually, I wouldn't have a problem with how his alt mode would look next to Ravage. And, no, in the scene I mentioned, he remained at full size because he needed to plug into the Cybertronian computers. Secondly, to address the concerns in the link you posted. Mass conversion, according to canon, is hardqired into the basic genetic structure of only certain Cybertronians. It is linked directly to their transformations. As such, it can only be activated as they transform from one mode to another. Therefore, if Soundwave wanted to shrink down to a smaller size, he would need to transform into stereo mode, shrinking down as he did so, then transform back into robot mode without activating his mass conversion. Basically, the reverse of what he did in the animated movie on Cybertron. To quote More than Meets the Eye #8 on the section on Mass Conversion, it says:

Mass convbersion is the more complex of the two methods, and it represents a significant genetic difference in those who posess it. In their standard size (for example, robot mode), the basic atomic components of Cybertronians who utilize mass conversion are at rest. However, when called upon to convert into a larger or smaller mode, the very subatomic particles that compose them restructure themselves even as the being's body changes its physical configuration. Much like a Cybertronian's physical form can change its shape and properties, so can the atomic building blocks of those who posess mass conversion abilities. These particles are hardwired to reconfigure themselves according to a predetermined schematic, splitting up or combining to alter their own mass and density to match the needs of the mode in question.— TransFormers: More than Meets the Eye #8 page 50)

Secondly, as to why these "internal resources" can't be used for multiple purposes, they can, just not at the same time. Internal resources refers to his internal components. In the movie, the robots are litterally built out of the internal components of their alternate modes. Thus, if you were to open up Soundwave as a stereo, his internal components would look just like a stereo's innards. Remember when Mikaela lifted up Bumblebee's hood? It looked and functioned just like a normal engine. This, as a stereo, all his internal components are devoted to receiving, transmitting, or recording information or playing it back. None has to be sacrificed from that function for the sake of mobility. It also allows him to remain perfectly innocuous in any location, either indoors or outdoors because of the ubiquity of that mode. With such an alternate mode, he can fit in literally anywhere.

Mass shifting would look like absolute, 100%, Grade-A ****.

Not to mention, it would be laughed out of theaters the moment it was seen, and we'd never see a TF3. Every bit of recognition we got from this movie would be thrown out the window.

Moreover, since we can't have mass shifting, then Soundwave can't be a 10' boombox, and he can't be another Frenzy.

So either accept that Soundwave can't be a boombox, or just leave the movie forum. You have your opinion, you've stated it, that's fine. But it's beating a dead horse now.

Shadowman wrote:Mass shifting would look like absolute, 100%, Grade-A ****.

Not to mention, it would be laughed out of theaters the moment it was seen, and we'd never see a TF3. Every bit of recognition we got from this movie would be thrown out the window.

Moreover, since we can't have mass shifting, then Soundwave can't be a 10' boombox, and he can't be another Frenzy.

So either accept that Soundwave can't be a boombox, or just leave the movie forum. You have your opinion, you've stated it, that's fine. But it's beating a dead horse now.

Beat? Hell, it's been beat, shot, buried, dug up, p*ssed on, beat again, spat on, shot again, buried again, dug up again, fed to a dog, digested, & then the dog beaten, etc.

Shadowman wrote:Mass shifting would look like absolute, 100%, Grade-A ****.

Not to mention, it would be laughed out of theaters the moment it was seen, and we'd never see a TF3. Every bit of recognition we got from this movie would be thrown out the window.

Moreover, since we can't have mass shifting, then Soundwave can't be a 10' boombox, and he can't be another Frenzy.

So either accept that Soundwave can't be a boombox, or just leave the movie forum. You have your opinion, you've stated it, that's fine. But it's beating a dead horse now.

Wrong, Mass conversion can be done and made to look good. They pulled it off beautifully with the Allspark, and given the complexity of the movie transformations could easily do so with Soundwave. The only reason why it wasn't used for the characters in the first movie is because they had too much else to cover which didn't allow them to properly devote the time necessary to it and make it believable. You can only put so many fantastic elements into a single movie. You can' say something is going to look bad until you actually see it. You can do Mass conversion in a live action movie and make it work.

Tramp wrote:

Shadowman wrote:Mass shifting would look like absolute, 100%, Grade-A ****.

Not to mention, it would be laughed out of theaters the moment it was seen, and we'd never see a TF3. Every bit of recognition we got from this movie would be thrown out the window.

Moreover, since we can't have mass shifting, then Soundwave can't be a 10' boombox, and he can't be another Frenzy.

So either accept that Soundwave can't be a boombox, or just leave the movie forum. You have your opinion, you've stated it, that's fine. But it's beating a dead horse now.

Wrong, Mass conversion can be done and made to look good. They pulled it off beautifully with the Allspark, and given the complexity of the movie transformations could easily do so with Soundwave. The only reason why it wasn't used for the characters in the first movie is because they had too much else to cover which didn't allow them to properly devote the time necessary to it and make it believable. You can only put so many fantastic elements into a single movie. You can' say something is going to look bad until you actually see it. You can do Mass conversion in a live action movie and make it work.

Oh, give it up. No one cares anymore.

No! I am not going to "give it up". I don't care if you have some unreasonable hatred of mas conversion, but it is an integral part of Soundwave's character, just as a variation on his iconic alternate mode is. He is not Soundwave without them.

Tramp wrote:No! I am not going to "give it up". I don't care if you have some unreasonable hatred of mas conversion, but it is an integral part of Soundwave's character, just as a variation on his iconic alternate mode is. He is not Soundwave without them.

Well hell, let's just scrap Soundwave alltogether then & bring back Blackout. His method of infiltration was more interesting to watch anyway, even if it wasn't perfect.