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Tramp wrote:

The Paragon of Virtue wrote:

Tramp wrote:And, from a movie standpoint, it is better to gonly give it to one or two characters. That adds to the mystery of that character as what makes him so unique. Why can he do this and how? It just adds to the plot.

I fail to see how it improves the movie's plot to make the audience really confused. Hell, I've been watching Transformers for 20 years and I don't have a clue what's going on in this thread anymore. The fact that this debate has gone on for 20+ pages is why they can't do mass conversion. It takes an ungodly amount of explanation for it to make any sense, even to those who comprehend it, outside of suspension of disbelief.

It doesn't take ungodly amounts of explaination. Some people just don't like mass conversion and consider it "silly" which is their opinion. It doesn't mean the mass conversion does not work or can't work in a live-action movie. It has been done to great effect. And it wouldn't confuse people. When I first saw G1 Soundwave grow from a tiny cassete player intoa huge robot, my first thoughs were "cool!" I was 13 at the time. I didn't need to know how or why it worked. I just knew it worked. When I first saw Star Wars and saw the lightsaber activate for the first time. My first reaction was "cool!" not how does that work. Mass conversion does not need a reason to work. It just works. Though we do have a reason how it works. Regardless, it is a fantastic element which is no more or less fantastic than a man flying without any aid, or faster than light travel, or a lightsaber, or the Force. That is what suspension of disbelief is for.

Nemesis Cyberplex wrote:Anywho:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cv0ANkag2nM

"Excellent Soundwave. Now monitor their progress....by hiding in plain sight!!!"

Priceless & relevant. Can't beat that!!

Nemesis Cyberplex wrote:So let's get this straight:

He can't be a military or civillian surveilence vehicle because it has nothing to do with sound or soundwaves & would stick out like a sore thumb sitting parked for hours in the same spot. Big-ass boombox appearing out of nowhere in a top-secret area would be perfect, as nobody would question where it came from & just assume somebody else brought it in, because big-ass boomboxes are allowed in top-secret areas.

He also can't be a surveiilence truck because a smash & grab should be handled by another Decepticon more known for being stupid.

Minions can't do the job because Soundave has to do it all himself, yet he still needs them for help. & he couldn't do a drop-off & pick-up because that would be Barricade's job.

Being a boombox, he would be immobile...yet his minions that can't help but still have to can carry him to his desired location undetected. But they still can't help, even though they do.

Mass shifting is allowed as anywhere from the size of a 30-50 ft. tall robot to the size of said big-ass boombox, but no bigger or smaller, because anything bigger than a 30-50 ft robot or smaller than a big-ass boombox would just be silly & wouldn't be acceptable in the realm of science fiction.


& all of this because if Michael Bay puts Soundwave in TF2, it has been decreed by the mighty Don Murphy that he must be done "right"....as well as Hasbro, even though they also allegedly threw a big b*tch-fit about Starscream's robot mode & yet his robot design never changed from being a bug-faced gorilla with chicken legs.



Wow sir, you have convinced me. Soundwave must be nothing other than a big-ass boombox. because it is the perfect Transformer espionage alt-mode.

Tramp wrote:

Nemesis Cyberplex wrote:So let's get this straight:

He can't be a military or civillian surveilence vehicle because it has nothing to do with sound or soundwaves & would stick out like a sore thumb sitting parked for hours in the same spot. Big-ass boombox appearing out of nowhere in a top-secret area would be perfect, as nobody would question where it came from & just assume somebody else brought it in, because big-ass boomboxes are allowed in top-secret areas.

He also can't be a surveiilence truck because a smash & grab should be handled by another Decepticon more known for being stupid.

Minions can't do the job because Soundave has to do it all himself, yet he still needs them for help. & he couldn't do a drop-off & pick-up because that would be Barricade's job.

Being a boombox, he would be immobile...yet his minions that can't help but still have to can carry him to his desired location undetected. But they still can't help, even though they do.

Mass shifting is allowed as anywhere from the size of a 30-50 ft. tall robot to the size of said big-ass boombox, but no bigger or smaller, because anything bigger than a 30-50 ft robot or smaller than a big-ass boombox would just be silly & wouldn't be acceptable in the realm of science fiction.


& all of this because if Michael Bay puts Soundwave in TF2, it has been decreed by the mighty Don Murphy that he must be done "right"....as well as Hasbro, even though they also allegedly threw a big b*tch-fit about Starscream's robot mode & yet his robot design never changed from being a bug-faced gorilla with chicken legs.



Wow sir, you have convinced me. Soundwave must be nothing other than a big-ass boombox. because it is the perfect Transformer espionage alt-mode.

It isn't Don Murphy that "decreed" it. It was Hasbro. Secondly, I said that the limits of mass conversion are predetermined by the robot's alternate mode. Do you honestly think that if Bay puts in his Aircraft carrier TF, that it won't have some level of mass conversion? If it didn't it would se ungodly enourmous in robot mode. A character like that would have to have some level of mass conversion to even be plausible as a characer.

Soundwave is a very recognizable and iconic character. A huge part of that recognizability is his alternate mode and his mass conversion capability. They are absolutely essential to his character. They make his "Soundwave". Ak anyone on the street who Soundwave was, and they will say, "The guy that turned into the tape deck and had those little cassette robots." That is what most people not that familiar with the Transformers would say. And, that is what they would expect, just modernized. Now, obviously an old-fashioned tape deck is out of the question. The next best thing is a modern boombox.

Tramp wrote:Soundwave is a very recognizable and iconic character. A huge part of that recognizability is his alternate mode and his mass conversion capability. They are absolutely essential to his character. They make his "Soundwave". Ak anyone on the street who Soundwave was, and they will say, "The guy that turned into the tape deck and had those little cassette robots." That is what most people not that familiar with the Transformers would say. And, that is what they would expect, just modernized. Now, obviously an old-fashioned tape deck is out of the question. The next best thing is a modern boombox.

glitched9700 wrote:We get it stop repeating yourself, you musta said that same stupid arguemnt 20 times or more at this point. Also whats wrong with a gigantic robot that would be just up michael bay's alley and cause mass destruction that would be much more entertaining than watching a boombox infiltrate a secure location(again)

Nemesis Cyberplex wrote:

Tramp wrote:Soundwave is a very recognizable and iconic character. A huge part of that recognizability is his alternate mode and his mass conversion capability. They are absolutely essential to his character. They make his "Soundwave". Ak anyone on the street who Soundwave was, and they will say, "The guy that turned into the tape deck and had those little cassette robots." That is what most people not that familiar with the Transformers would say. And, that is what they would expect, just modernized. Now, obviously an old-fashioned tape deck is out of the question. The next best thing is a modern boombox.

Now let's give the real reason people remember him: his voice. A monotone growl sent through a synthesizer & played back on 2 or 3 separate tones.....THAT's what truely made him Soundwave. & that's why people remember the tape deck guy & not the camera guy...the unique voice. That can be very easily replicated with any alt-mode, particularly one that fit his infomation officer role, as well as a familliar robot design & ejecting minions. It would be familliar enough that general audiences would accept a change in alt modes. & then you wouldn't have the logic problem of a big-ass boombox appearing out of nowhere in a top-secret area & nobody questions it. All you'ld have is the less illogical & easily ignored parked military vehicle problem.

Tramp wrote:

Nemesis Cyberplex wrote:

Tramp wrote:Soundwave is a very recognizable and iconic character. A huge part of that recognizability is his alternate mode and his mass conversion capability. They are absolutely essential to his character. They make his "Soundwave". Ak anyone on the street who Soundwave was, and they will say, "The guy that turned into the tape deck and had those little cassette robots." That is what most people not that familiar with the Transformers would say. And, that is what they would expect, just modernized. Now, obviously an old-fashioned tape deck is out of the question. The next best thing is a modern boombox.

Now let's give the real reason people remember him: his voice. A monotone growl sent through a synthesizer & played back on 2 or 3 separate tones.....THAT's what truely made him Soundwave. & that's why people remember the tape deck guy & not the camera guy...the unique voice. That can be very easily replicated with any alt-mode, particularly one that fit his infomation officer role, as well as a familliar robot design & ejecting minions. It would be familliar enough that general audiences would accept a change in alt modes. & then you wouldn't have the logic problem of a big-ass boombox appearing out of nowhere in a top-secret area & nobody questions it. All you'ld have is the less illogical & easily ignored parked military vehicle problem.

A mass converting portable stereo would not cause a "logic problem". Secondly, they remember the "tape deck guy" not because of his voice, which admittedly is memorable. They remember him because of his design, his ability and his major role in the series. Reflector was a bit player who only appeared in a few episodes. Soundwave was in every episode of seasons one and two. That is what made him memorable. The combination of his design, his alternate mode, his mass conversion, his voice and his prominance in the series. Take away any of thise factors, aside form his prominance in the series and he would not be Soundwave.

And for the record, Air Force One is an extremely high security area and no one questioned Frenzy being there in stereo mode.

Cthulhunicron wrote:

Skullgrin140 wrote:

Nuff said

All I know is that if this is how Soundwave looks in TF2, I will be very happy.

Nemesis Cyberplex wrote:well then I vote for just another homage...since there is no way they're going to make him as "iconic" as his G1 self.

Or how about this: if you want to see Soundwave as a boombox so badly....how about just watch G1 again, read the comics, & let everybody else have their non-Soundwave homage military truck/giant non-mass shifting robot do a smash & grab, making yet another blockbuster smash hit that everybody but you can accept because Soundwave "must" be a boombox.

Tramp wrote:

Nemesis Cyberplex wrote:well then I vote for just another homage...since there is no way they're going to make him as "iconic" as his G1 self.

Or how about this: if you want to see Soundwave as a boombox so badly....how about just watch G1 again, read the comics, & let everybody else have their non-Soundwave homage military truck/giant non-mass shifting robot do a smash & grab, making yet another blockbuster smash hit that everybody but you can accept because Soundwave "must" be a boombox.

You can't say thayt they can't make keep his iconic form for the next movie. That was the sole reason why he was held off for the sequels. It was so that they could keep his iconic form. And that included being a stereo with mass conversion.

Nemesis Cyberplex wrote:

Tramp wrote:

Nemesis Cyberplex wrote:well then I vote for just another homage...since there is no way they're going to make him as "iconic" as his G1 self.

Or how about this: if you want to see Soundwave as a boombox so badly....how about just watch G1 again, read the comics, & let everybody else have their non-Soundwave homage military truck/giant non-mass shifting robot do a smash & grab, making yet another blockbuster smash hit that everybody but you can accept because Soundwave "must" be a boombox.

You can't say thayt they can't make keep his iconic form for the next movie. That was the sole reason why he was held off for the sequels. It was so that they could keep his iconic form. And that included being a stereo with mass conversion.

But it is highly doubtful because as we all know, Bay is all about big explosions & doing stuff that has never been done....& a TF turning into a stereo doing espionage has already been done, even if a mass-shifting version has not. & even then, your version has no explosions, so it won't happen.

Great Atlas wrote:technically most earth based alt mode tfs are stealthy since they go unnoticed

Great Atlas wrote:technically most earth based alt mode tfs are stealthy since they go unnoticed

Great Atlas wrote:that is why i said most i know a tank wont blend in a civilian area but most earth alts blend in

Tramp wrote:

Great Atlas wrote:that is why i said most i know a tank wont blend in a civilian area but most earth alts blend in

Still only in certain locations. Also some Earth designs are specifically meant not to blend in. A hot rod is meant to stand out and draw attention. A custom van with huge speakers and sound system, all blinged out is meant to draw attention. A News van draws attention because of the nature of its work.

For some characters drawing that kind of attention is fine. For others, like Soundwave, any type of attention is bad news.

Tramp wrote:

Great Atlas wrote:that is why i said most i know a tank wont blend in a civilian area but most earth alts blend in

Still only in certain locations. Also some Earth designs are specifically meant not to blend in. A hot rod is meant to stand out and draw attention. A custom van with huge speakers and sound system, all blinged out is meant to draw attention. A News van draws attention because of the nature of its work.

For some characters drawing that kind of attention is fine. For others, like Soundwave, any type of attention is bad news.

Nemesis Cyberplex wrote:

Tramp wrote:

Great Atlas wrote:that is why i said most i know a tank wont blend in a civilian area but most earth alts blend in

Still only in certain locations. Also some Earth designs are specifically meant not to blend in. A hot rod is meant to stand out and draw attention. A custom van with huge speakers and sound system, all blinged out is meant to draw attention. A News van draws attention because of the nature of its work.

For some characters drawing that kind of attention is fine. For others, like Soundwave, any type of attention is bad news.

Why? What would happen if he got detected as a boombox? People would say, " hey, what's this boombox doing there?" & then try to go off to find whoever put it there. Same with a military truck. So there is no reason for one alt mode to do better than the other, because neither gives away that it's really a giant alien robot untill he wants them to know. So in this case the alt mode does not make a difference. Like I said, the clothes don't make the man.

Sentinel Pax wrote:Actually, you know why the stewardess didn't make a fuss about Frenzy on the plane? Because the script didn't call for it, that's why! And she did notice it. She moved him into a totally different area of the plane.