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Shadowman wrote:

Tramp wrote:

Shadowman wrote:You know what else isn't the same thing? Apples and Oranges.

You want to know something Shadowman? you are absolutely right. And that illustrates my point perfectly. Having a character name Soundwave without mass conversion, without even the remotest resemblance to his original alternate mode as well is as much not Soundwave as an apple is not an orange.

In your own opinion.

In MY opinion, I couldn't give a half a rat's ass.

In MY opinion, that comm truck Soundwave could quite possibly be even better than the original.


But you know what they say about opinions.....

Shadowman wrote:

Tramp wrote:

Shadowman wrote:You know what else isn't the same thing? Apples and Oranges.

You want to know something Shadowman? you are absolutely right. And that illustrates my point perfectly. Having a character name Soundwave without mass conversion, without even the remotest resemblance to his original alternate mode as well is as much not Soundwave as an apple is not an orange.

In your own opinion.

In MY opinion, I couldn't give a half a rat's ass.

Then they might as well have called Blackout or Frenzy "Soundwave" . Either way, it sounds like you would have been satisfied.

Tramp wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

Tramp wrote:

Shadowman wrote:You know what else isn't the same thing? Apples and Oranges.

You want to know something Shadowman? you are absolutely right. And that illustrates my point perfectly. Having a character name Soundwave without mass conversion, without even the remotest resemblance to his original alternate mode as well is as much not Soundwave as an apple is not an orange.

In your own opinion.

In MY opinion, I couldn't give a half a rat's ass.

Then they might as well have called Blackout or Frenzy "Soundwave" . Either way, it sounds like you would have been satisfied.

Wouldn't have been bad. Might've been kinda cool, if they altered Frenzy/Blackout a bit, maybe.

Well, thankfully the movie producers and writers didn't think so. That is why they didn't use the name "Soundwave" for either character in the end.

Tramp wrote:Well, thankfully the movie producers and writers didn't think so. That is why they didn't use the name "Soundwave" for either character in the end.

Things have changed since those conservative steps were taken to aviod premature bad publicity. Fans & non-fans alike are more readily accepting the changes made for the sake of making a better movie....& now I really doubt the general audiences would really care what he turns into so long as he still looks & sounds similar to what they remember.

Nemesis Cyberplex wrote:

Tramp wrote:Well, thankfully the movie producers and writers didn't think so. That is why they didn't use the name "Soundwave" for either character in the end.

Things have changed since those conservative steps were taken to aviod premature bad publicity. Fans & non-fans alike are more readily accepting the changes made for the sake of making a better movie....& now I really doubt the general audiences would really care what he turns into so long as he still looks & sounds similar to what they remember.

I have no doubt that general audiences would be pissed if they changed him that radically.

Yes, they made changes to the characters, but they dod not make changes so radical that it made them into completely different characters with completely different alternate modes. Optimus Prime is still a semi truck. He isn't a jet. Brawl is still a tank. Bumblebee is still a yellow and black car. Jazz is still a sports car, Ironhide is still a truck, Ratchet is still an ambulance, Starscream is still a jet fighter. They are all still very recognizable by their alternate modes and characters.

By not giving Soundwave his most recognizable phyisical features, you change him to the point where he becomes a completely different character all together. And, no, I do not believe that the public would accept that at all.

Funny that most people who saw the movie and aren't ollectors like us kept calling Frenzy Soundwave.

GetterDragun wrote:Funny that most people who saw the movie and aren't ollectors like us kept calling Frenzy Soundwave.

That is because they saw a stereo and remembered Soundwave was one, or something very similar.

hmmm...u seemed to have left someone out, Megatron, they changed him and he did great, in the movie game shockwave appeared he was an artillery cannon and a helicopter seems changed to me

Great Atlas wrote:hmmm...u seemed to have left someone out, Megatron, they changed him and he did great, in the movie game shockwave appeared he was an artillery cannon and a helicopter seems changed to me

Megatron has had no iconic form. He has had so many make-overs it isn't funny. As for Shockwave, they are trying to stay away from using any "Gun" modes period. Other than Classics Megatron, they have not used a gun transformer since G1 to avoid dealing with toy gun laws, and since nealry all of these movie related characters are becoming toys, they made sure to avoid using certain types of alternate modes. From that standpoint, it was a smart move. On top of that, Shockwave too has had a number of different incarnations which are highly reconizable, not a single iconic alternate mode. What makes him recognizable is his head and gun arm.

Each character has something that is iconic about him. Prime has his color schem, his face plate and his alternate mode. Bumblebee has his personality, colors and being a car. Ratchet is his ambulance mode. Jazz is his sleek, sexy car mode and "style". Soundwave has his alternate mode, voice, and mass conversion.

Ok I know I said I was done arguing in this thread but I feel I should point out some facts.
1. This is the Movie universe NOT G1, yes it is based on G1 but it is not the same so wanting G1 Soundwave ain't happening.
2. After doing some research on Soundwave I've found out that his alt.mode is a walkman not a stereo and his primary function was COMMUNICATIONS not ESPIONAGE. So to me it sounds like IF they were to make an updated version of him it would be an iPod or some other MP3 player, which to me would be a ridiculous alt.mode am I right?
3. Even if Soundwave was a stereo or whatever if he's trying to infiltrate a high security area he's gonna be noticed if only because there are strict rules about what can be in certain areas like no cellphones or radios beyond this point and its not because of clean rooms its because of the possiblites of data being stolen or intercepted.
4. Tramp is still acting like a broken record which is VERY annoying and I wish he would find a new tune.
And 5. Well... thats pretty much it. I've seen plenty of good ideas for Soundwave's alt.mode and seen Tramp shoot down each one cause it didn't fit his view of Soundwave. I'll tell you now what remember when I hear Soundwaves name is his monotone synthed voice, his cassette minions and the fact that he is Megatrons right hand man, so as long as he has that going for him his alt.mode DOESN'T matter, besides they're called robots in disguise so sometimes a change in alt.modes is neccesary to stay disguised.

Frostliger wrote:Ok I know I said I was done arguing in this thread but I feel I should point out some facts.
1. This is the Movie universe NOT G1, yes it is based on G1 but it is not the same so wanting G1 Soundwave ain't happening.
2. After doing some research on Soundwave I've found out that his alt.mode is a walkman not a stereo and his primary function was COMMUNICATIONS not ESPIONAGE. So to me it sounds like IF they were to make an updated version of him it would be an iPod or some other MP3 player, which to me would be a ridiculous alt.mode am I right?
3. Even if Soundwave was a stereo or whatever if he's trying to infiltrate a high security area he's gonna be noticed if only because there are strict rules about what can be in certain areas like no cellphones or radios beyond this point and its not because of clean rooms its because of the possiblites of data being stolen or intercepted.
4. Tramp is still acting like a broken record which is VERY annoying and I wish he would find a new tune.
And 5. Well... thats pretty much it. I've seen plenty of good ideas for Soundwave's alt.mode and seen Tramp shoot down each one cause it didn't fit his view of Soundwave. I'll tell you now what remember when I hear Soundwaves name is his monotone synthed voice, his cassette minions and the fact that he is Megatrons right hand man, so as long as he has that going for him his alt.mode DOESN'T matter, besides they're called robots in disguise so sometimes a change in alt.modes is neccesary to stay disguised.

Tramp wrote:

Great Atlas wrote:hmmm...u seemed to have left someone out, Megatron, they changed him and he did great, in the movie game shockwave appeared he was an artillery cannon and a helicopter seems changed to me

Megatron has had no iconic form. He has had so many make-overs it isn't funny. As for Shockwave, they are trying to stay away from using any "Gun" modes period. Other than Classics Megatron, they have not used a gun transformer since G1 to avoid dealing with toy gun laws, and since nealry all of these movie related characters are becoming toys, they made sure to avoid using certain types of alternate modes. From that standpoint, it was a smart move. On top of that, Shockwave too has had a number of different incarnations which are highly reconizable, not a single iconic alternate mode. What makes him recognizable is his head and gun arm.

Each character has something that is iconic about him. Prime has his color schem, his face plate and his alternate mode. Bumblebee has his personality, colors and being a car. Ratchet is his ambulance mode. Jazz is his sleek, sexy car mode and "style". Soundwave has his alternate mode, voice, and mass conversion.

OK, now you're just making excuses for why changes in other characters are justified but Soundwave. IN all honesty, as far as an "iconic" version of him is concerned, there have been several versions of soundwave, & only the ones directly related to G1 have him as a tape player/boombox. That's 1 out of at least 5 others. Megatron's G1 robot was just as iconic as Soundwave, yet they scrapped it in a heartbeat for something they though to look more evil. & Soundwave's no different. They'll scrap his design in a heartbeat if they think they can come up with something better. & you know, if people DO keep pushing for another boombox, I'd bet given the designs of other characters that even with the "proper" alt mode, he will barely resemble Soundwave as a robot.

glitched9700 wrote:

Frostliger wrote:Ok I know I said I was done arguing in this thread but I feel I should point out some facts.
1. This is the Movie universe NOT G1, yes it is based on G1 but it is not the same so wanting G1 Soundwave ain't happening.
2. After doing some research on Soundwave I've found out that his alt.mode is a walkman not a stereo and his primary function was COMMUNICATIONS not ESPIONAGE. So to me it sounds like IF they were to make an updated version of him it would be an iPod or some other MP3 player, which to me would be a ridiculous alt.mode am I right?
3. Even if Soundwave was a stereo or whatever if he's trying to infiltrate a high security area he's gonna be noticed if only because there are strict rules about what can be in certain areas like no cellphones or radios beyond this point and its not because of clean rooms its because of the possiblites of data being stolen or intercepted.
4. Tramp is still acting like a broken record which is VERY annoying and I wish he would find a new tune.
And 5. Well... thats pretty much it. I've seen plenty of good ideas for Soundwave's alt.mode and seen Tramp shoot down each one cause it didn't fit his view of Soundwave. I'll tell you now what remember when I hear Soundwaves name is his monotone synthed voice, his cassette minions and the fact that he is Megatrons right hand man, so as long as he has that going for him his alt.mode DOESN'T matter, besides they're called robots in disguise so sometimes a change in alt.modes is neccesary to stay disguised.

I concurr.

Frostliger wrote:Ok I know I said I was done arguing in this thread but I feel I should point out some facts.
1. This is the Movie universe NOT G1, yes it is based on G1 but it is not the same so wanting G1 Soundwave ain't happening.

The key there is though that is is based upon G1. It still plays homage to the original and remains true to it.

2. After doing some research on Soundwave I've found out that his alt.mode is a walkman not a stereo and his primary function was COMMUNICATIONS not ESPIONAGE. So to me it sounds like IF they were to make an updated version of him it would be an iPod or some other MP3 player, which to me would be a ridiculous alt.mode am I right?

A Walkman is a stereo. It's a portable stereo headset tape deck. The only thing Soundwave was missing was the earphones. Secondly, In both the cartoons and comics, whoile his bio function lists him as Communications, most of what he actually did was espionage.

3. Even if Soundwave was a stereo or whatever if he's trying to infiltrate a high security area he's gonna be noticed if only because there are strict rules about what can be in certain areas like no cellphones or radios beyond this point and its not because of clean rooms its because of the possiblites of data being stolen or intercepted.

Mabe not, but a steeo mode will still get him in the building where he can hack into the security systems and release his minions who cound get into the other areas. Sondwave remains in the main office area on the shelf plugged into the wall, while Booster X-10 (Lasrerbeak) slips in to the high security area unnoticed (MP3 with ear phone in alt mode [Real Gear], he's tiny) and completes his mission like a fly on the wall. Secondly, Air Force One is probably one of the most high security areas you can get. And that is because the President of the United States is on board. Security areas have scanners which can tell if a stereo or other piece of electronics has been altered for clandestine recording. For a Transformer, that is not a problem because in alt mode, they literally are what they transform into. Thus any X-ray would pick him out as a simple stereo with nothing out fo the ordinary.
Sorry, try again.

4. Tramp is still acting like a broken record which is VERY annoying and I wish he would find a new tune.

Not gonna happen.

And 5. Well... thats pretty much it. I've seen plenty of good ideas for Soundwave's alt.mode and seen Tramp shoot down each one cause it didn't fit his view of Soundwave. I'll tell you now what remember when I hear Soundwaves name is his monotone synthed voice, his cassette minions and the fact that he is Megatrons right hand man, so as long as he has that going for him his alt.mode DOESN'T matter, besides they're called robots in disguise so sometimes a change in alt.modes is neccesary to stay disguised.

It isn't just because it doesn't fit "my view". It doesn't fit Soundwave. It changes him to the point where he is no longer Soundwave. No one would recognize a vehicle as Soundwave.

i think people would recognize Soundwave if he had the voice and head design, and if is name is soundwave i think they're gonna know it's soundwave

It isn't just because it doesn't fit "my view". It doesn't fit Soundwave. It changes him to the point where he is no longer Soundwave. No one would recognize a vehicle as Soundwave.

I would. In fact, I saw several responses to the comm truck pic throughout this thread that easily recognised him as Soundwave. Not once did anybody say, "Hey, who is that robot?"

But then again, you have all your buddies at Summerfest.....

Nemesis Cyberplex wrote:

Tramp wrote:

Great Atlas wrote:hmmm...u seemed to have left someone out, Megatron, they changed him and he did great, in the movie game shockwave appeared he was an artillery cannon and a helicopter seems changed to me

Megatron has had no iconic form. He has had so many make-overs it isn't funny. As for Shockwave, they are trying to stay away from using any "Gun" modes period. Other than Classics Megatron, they have not used a gun transformer since G1 to avoid dealing with toy gun laws, and since nealry all of these movie related characters are becoming toys, they made sure to avoid using certain types of alternate modes. From that standpoint, it was a smart move. On top of that, Shockwave too has had a number of different incarnations which are highly reconizable, not a single iconic alternate mode. What makes him recognizable is his head and gun arm.

Each character has something that is iconic about him. Prime has his color schem, his face plate and his alternate mode. Bumblebee has his personality, colors and being a car. Ratchet is his ambulance mode. Jazz is his sleek, sexy car mode and "style". Soundwave has his alternate mode, voice, and mass conversion.

OK, now you're just making excuses for why changes in other characters are justified but Soundwave. IN all honesty, as far as an "iconic" version of him is concerned, there have been several versions of soundwave, & only the ones directly related to G1 have him as a tape player/boombox. That's 1 out of at least 5 others. Megatron's G1 robot was just as iconic as Soundwave, yet they scrapped it in a heartbeat for something they though to look more evil. & Soundwave's no different. They'll scrap his design in a heartbeat if they think they can come up with something better. & you know, if people DO keep pushing for another boombox, I'd bet given the designs of other characters that even with the "proper" alt mode, he will barely resemble Soundwave as a robot.

If you are referring to the Gobot or Machine Wars, neither appeared in any media, and have largely been forgotten. Machine Wars was an extremely short lived Kay-Bee exclusive series with no comics or cartoon attached to it. the so-called Beast Wars Soundwave was a completely different character who onyl appeared in a singel episode, and, from my understanding, didint even have a toy. He was a "throw-away" character. That leaves Cybertron "soundwave" who also is a completely different character with a completely different personality and role. He is not Soundwave. He just shares the name. His iconic form— the form most people remember and recognize as Soundwave is as a stereo cassette deck—a Walkman. To modernize that mode is to make him a stereo CD player. To remain truely faithful, you need mass conversion.

Nemesis Cyberplex wrote:

It isn't just because it doesn't fit "my view". It doesn't fit Soundwave. It changes him to the point where he is no longer Soundwave. No one would recognize a vehicle as Soundwave.

I would. In fact, I saw several responses to the comm truck pic throughout this thread that easily recognised him as Soundwave. Not once did anybody say, "Hey, who is that robot?"

But then again, you have all your buddies at Summerfest.....

Actually, most of the people I talked to were not "buddies" of mine. They were just people from my church, many of whome I had never met before.

What would be the point of being a recording device in an area that doesn't allow recording devices?

The stewardess probably got fired. Taking a boombox into a secure area is prohibited.

Tramp wrote:

Nemesis Cyberplex wrote:

It isn't just because it doesn't fit "my view". It doesn't fit Soundwave. It changes him to the point where he is no longer Soundwave. No one would recognize a vehicle as Soundwave.

I would. In fact, I saw several responses to the comm truck pic throughout this thread that easily recognised him as Soundwave. Not once did anybody say, "Hey, who is that robot?"

But then again, you have all your buddies at Summerfest.....

Actually, most of the people I talked to were not "buddies" of mine. They were just people from my church, many of whome I had never met before.

I'm friends with Ewan McGreggor, did you know that?

You can't say I'm lying, because it's the internet. How do you know I'm not really friends with Obi-wan? Then again, how would you know I am?

Shadowman wrote:What would be the point of being a recording device in an area that doesn't allow recording devices?

The stewardess probably got fired. Taking a boombox into a secure area is prohibited.

A CD player is not a recording device. All it can do is play CDs or radio stations. It cannot record anything.

Watching.

Tramp wrote:

Nemesis Cyberplex wrote:

Tramp wrote:

Great Atlas wrote:hmmm...u seemed to have left someone out, Megatron, they changed him and he did great, in the movie game shockwave appeared he was an artillery cannon and a helicopter seems changed to me

Megatron has had no iconic form. He has had so many make-overs it isn't funny. As for Shockwave, they are trying to stay away from using any "Gun" modes period. Other than Classics Megatron, they have not used a gun transformer since G1 to avoid dealing with toy gun laws, and since nealry all of these movie related characters are becoming toys, they made sure to avoid using certain types of alternate modes. From that standpoint, it was a smart move. On top of that, Shockwave too has had a number of different incarnations which are highly reconizable, not a single iconic alternate mode. What makes him recognizable is his head and gun arm.

Each character has something that is iconic about him. Prime has his color schem, his face plate and his alternate mode. Bumblebee has his personality, colors and being a car. Ratchet is his ambulance mode. Jazz is his sleek, sexy car mode and "style". Soundwave has his alternate mode, voice, and mass conversion.

OK, now you're just making excuses for why changes in other characters are justified but Soundwave. IN all honesty, as far as an "iconic" version of him is concerned, there have been several versions of soundwave, & only the ones directly related to G1 have him as a tape player/boombox. That's 1 out of at least 5 others. Megatron's G1 robot was just as iconic as Soundwave, yet they scrapped it in a heartbeat for something they though to look more evil. & Soundwave's no different. They'll scrap his design in a heartbeat if they think they can come up with something better. & you know, if people DO keep pushing for another boombox, I'd bet given the designs of other characters that even with the "proper" alt mode, he will barely resemble Soundwave as a robot.

If you are referring to the Gobot or Machine Wars, neither appeared in any media, and have largely been forgotten. Machine Wars was an extremely short lived Kay-Bee exclusive series with no comics or cartoon attached to it. the so-called Beast Wars Soundwave was a completely different character who onyl appeared in a singel episode, and, from my understanding, didint even have a toy. He was a "throw-away" character. That leaves Cybertron "soundwave" who also is a completely different character with a completely different personality and role. He is not Soundwave. He just shares the name. His iconic form— the form most people remember and recognize as Soundwave is as a stereo cassette deck—a Walkman. To modernize that mode is to make him a stereo CD player. To remain truely faithful, you need mass conversion.

Soundwave is a transforming robot from the planet Cybertron. By the movie standards, he could change into pretty much whatever the hell he wanted to. So to keep him truely faithful, he would need to be a transforming robot. Alt mode is irrelevant. Because none would be his true form...his cybertronian form.

The clothes don't make the man.

*envokes the right of yellow spandex again*

GetterDragun wrote:Watching.

& glad that you are, man. So far, I think we're keeping it pretty civil, though the argument keeps going around in circles.