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for those who have seen transformers movie in 1986 will heard of Nelson Shin. because he's the orignal director of transformers! i realized after seeing the movie for a couple of times, bay isn't good at storytelling or making the robots in the film to show more emotion. his direction isn't all bad, it's basically a popcorn flick, action after action. but Nelson Shin on the other hand made the audiences cried when he made prime die. so i guess this pretty much sums up what i'm talking about. it's a good start for a bay to make the first, then pass the torch to another director that has a different approach in his direction of the film in mind. if hollywood does choose Shin over Bay, the movie will be 10x emotional than titanic in 97!!!

Altertron wrote:for those who have seen transformers movie in 1986 will heard of Nelson Shin. because he's the orignal director of transformers! i realized after seeing the movie for a couple of times, bay isn't good at storytelling or making the robots in the film to show more emotion. his direction isn't all bad, it's basically a popcorn flick, action after action. but Nelson Shin on the other made the audience cried when he made prime die. so i guess this pretty much sums up i'm talking about. it's a good for a bay to make the first, then pass the torch to another director that has a different direction in his mind. if hollywood does choose Shin over Bay, the movie will be 10x emotional than titanic in 97!!!

Has shin ever done a movie other than the original, also why would Bay not make a sequel since the first one was highly profitable.

i agree, yes bay is a bigger name than Shin in hollywood. but if you're the fans, would you like to see bay return or shin to replace him?
yeah if you type Nelson Shin on amazon.com, he did directed some live action films, his recent one was in 2002, so he's presume active in his career.

....No. Just no.

The animated movie wasn't exactly a stunning piece of cinema, though. The story wasn't exactly told well, for a start. I mean, it digressed, became jumbled and at points didn't really make sense.

Granted, Bay isn't a masterful storyteller and his films aren't exactly laden with emotion, but the 1986 feature was just as shallow. My enjoyment of the animated movie is derived largely from the voices. Do I want Bay to direct a sequel? I don't know. I didn't really like the new movie, so probably not, but I don't think Shin would be a better choice.

Besides, Shin is an animation director. A director requires a different set of disciplines when directing animation than when directing live action.

do you think sam riami, the director of spider-man 1-3 would be a better choice, how about listing the directors you like most or suitable to direct this film.

No, not Sam Raimi! Spiderman 2 and Spiderman 3 were pretty bad!

The problem with Transformers is it's very much an action property but a lot of people, unless they just collect the toys, get into it because of the characters that are developed in things like the comics, Beast Wars, etc.

I can't at this very moment think of someone who will do it well, but I'll give it some thought.

Maybe Jim Jarmusch?

Nope, as much as I enjoyed the 1986 movie. I wouldnt want Nelson shin to direct the sequal, Someone with more brains than Bay should direct it.

Oh dear god no.

Just... no.

Leonardo wrote:Besides, Shin is an animation director. A director requires a different set of disciplines when directing animation than when directing live action.

I concur!

Altertron wrote:do you think sam riami, the director of spider-man 1-3 would be a better choice, how about listing the directors you like most or suitable to direct this film.

Michael Bay.

The only director, aside from Michael Bay, who should even be considered to direct Transformers, should be David Twohy

how about james cameron?

I wouldn't be against James Cameron, though I can't honestly remember if he's done anything in recent years.

No. Bay stays!

Jim Cameron's Transformers would be a $600m budget movie because he'd want a real city built to destroy and actual working walking robots. I think Dreamworks, and Paramount would flip out if they had to shell that out. Plus he'd probably throw some love story arc in the story with Arcee and Ironhide and Ironhide would die and then it would just be all this tragic stuff and....

... Yeah no. Bay is fine. Stick with Bay.

Versa wrote:Jim Cameron's Transformers would be a $600m budget movie because he'd want a real city built to destroy and actual working walking robots. I think Dreamworks, and Paramount would flip out if they had to shell that out. Plus he'd probably throw some love story arc in the story with Arcee and Ironhide and Ironhide would die and then it would just be all this tragic stuff and....

... Yeah no. Bay is fine. Stick with Bay.

Yeah, thats the same reason i think its a silly idea to suggest cameron direct it too. He is an awesome director for what he does with his type of subject matter, but Transformers just wouldnt suit his style.

Im looking through my huge DVD collection and i just cant find anyone who would be more suited to directing this movie other than Bay.

No.

So let it be written, so let it be done.

who would like to see Nelson Shin to direct the next transformers instead of Michael Bay?


Not me.

I think everyone's in agreement. Nobody wants Shin.

No effing way. If I had to choose a substitute director for Bay my first choice would be James Cameron. You could probably never pull him away from his new found love of deep sea exploration though, but that does make him prepared to deal properly with filming the new Decepticon undersea HQ.

Certainly Shin would do a good job, but I think it would be best to leave it in the hands of Bay for now. Sure, the film isn't the best in the world, but firsts of a film series never are. They're like the first episode of a TV show - establish things first, focus on plot second. I look at it as being the first of the series and therefore a bit of a test run to see what works, what doesn't, to see if it should continue, and to knock most of the annoying explanations out of the way so plot takes the prime slot (no pun intended) in the next one.

However, if it were to passed off I still do not think Shin should do it. I think Ridley Scott or Peter Jackson should take over, because both directors find ways of incorporating Bay-ish action into an epic plot.

remember cameron directed 2 smash-hits terminator movies, so don't play dumb with me, cuz he's geninuely good at directing robo movies!!! or you just hate canadians!!!

James Cameron, Ridley Scott, Peter Jackson and even Steven Speilberg ... all these guys tend to do movies that are big, epic, and with a deep storyline.

And i'll probably get flamed for this (and I don't particulary care either) but Transformers isn't big or epic or meant to have a deep storyline.

The only time in TF mythology there was a deep storyline was Beast Wars and to an extent, Beast Machines. And I don't see how either of those could be done in a live action environment.

Besides, big robts = big fights = big explosions. What need is there for much of a story anyway?

As far as i'm concerned, as flat as the story and plot for the movie was, it was enough to entertain me, and obviously millions of others. And I can't see anyone other than Michael Bay doing a job like that.

Altertron wrote:for those who have seen transformers movie in 1986 will heard of Nelson Shin. because he's the orignal director of transformers! i realized after seeing the movie for a couple of times, bay isn't good at storytelling or making the robots in the film to show more emotion. his direction isn't all bad, it's basically a popcorn flick, action after action. but Nelson Shin on the other hand made the audiences cried when he made prime die. so i guess this pretty much sums up what i'm talking about. it's a good start for a bay to make the first, then pass the torch to another director that has a different approach in his direction of the film in mind. if hollywood does choose Shin over Bay, the movie will be 10x emotional than titanic in 97!!!

Firstly, Nelson Shin was the director of the movie because he was the producer of all 65 previous Transformers episodes. That is what got him the job.

Secondly, there is a big difference between directing live action and animation. Nelson Shin made a career of first visual effects (he was for instance the man who invented the glow effect of the Star Wars lightsaber, an effect he later used on the restraints on Kup and Hot Rod in TF:TM), and later in animation. He created and runs Akom Animation Studios.

You're not going to hire a construction worker to fix the faucet, because he builds houses. Nelson Shin is talented, but this is not his area.