The Energon Pub

[Hellscream9999]

Man, those wheels are so under-scaled, it really ruins the look of the vehicle mode

Wasn't until you mentioned that i looked at the wheels and gosh you are right: They do seem rather small

Yeah, he wouldn't have any ground clearance, and it ruins the look of it.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Man, those wheels are so under-scaled, it really ruins the look of the vehicle mode

Wasn't until you mentioned that i looked at the wheels and gosh you are right: They do seem rather small

Yeah, he wouldn't have any ground clearance, and it ruins the look of it.

Eh, true, but still not completely terrible though

[Kup98ss]

I feel a bit disappointed in both hot rod and ironhide. They just don't seem to have that attention to detail like previous masterpiece releases. Hot rods tires and flat long chest is just killing it for me, and it could have been an easy fix. They sacrificed the look of the robot for a gimmick.

[steals_your_goats]

I feel a bit disappointed in both hot rod and ironhide. They just don't seem to have that attention to detail like previous masterpiece releases. Hot rods tires and flat long chest is just killing it for me, and it could have been an easy fix. They sacrificed the look of the robot for a gimmick.

I think I'm missing something, what gimmick does this guy have? I do agree with what you're saying but I wasn't aware of any gimmick.

[-Kanrabat-]

I feel a bit disappointed in both hot rod and ironhide. They just don't seem to have that attention to detail like previous masterpiece releases. Hot rods tires and flat long chest is just killing it for me, and it could have been an easy fix. They sacrificed the look of the robot for a gimmick.

I think I'm missing something, what gimmick does this guy have? I do agree with what you're saying but I wasn't aware of any gimmick.

The Matrix holding compartiment hidden in the chest, which sparked a overly long and nerdy discution about G1 fiction that lasted for pages.

[steals_your_goats]

I feel a bit disappointed in both hot rod and ironhide. They just don't seem to have that attention to detail like previous masterpiece releases. Hot rods tires and flat long chest is just killing it for me, and it could have been an easy fix. They sacrificed the look of the robot for a gimmick.

I think I'm missing something, what gimmick does this guy have? I do agree with what you're saying but I wasn't aware of any gimmick.

The Matrix holding compartiment hidden in the chest, which sparked a overly long and nerdy discution about G1 fiction that lasted for pages.

Oh okay, I guess I just didn't really see that as a gimmick, but instead more of an Easter egg.

[-Kanrabat-]

I feel a bit disappointed in both hot rod and ironhide. They just don't seem to have that attention to detail like previous masterpiece releases. Hot rods tires and flat long chest is just killing it for me, and it could have been an easy fix. They sacrificed the look of the robot for a gimmick.

I think I'm missing something, what gimmick does this guy have? I do agree with what you're saying but I wasn't aware of any gimmick.

The Matrix holding compartiment hidden in the chest, which sparked a overly long and nerdy discution about G1 fiction that lasted for pages.

Oh okay, I guess I just didn't really see that as a gimmick, but instead more of an Easter egg.

It's just that the space used for that could have been used for a better overall design.

Anyway, Shockwave took all my pre-order budjet so I'll have to pass on Roddy.

[sol magnus]

I feel a bit disappointed in both hot rod and ironhide. They just don't seem to have that attention to detail like previous masterpiece releases. Hot rods tires and flat long chest is just killing it for me, and it could have been an easy fix. They sacrificed the look of the robot for a gimmick.

I think I'm missing something, what gimmick does this guy have? I do agree with what you're saying but I wasn't aware of any gimmick.

The Matrix holding compartiment hidden in the chest, which sparked a overly long and nerdy discution about G1 fiction that lasted for pages.

Oh okay, I guess I just didn't really see that as a gimmick, but instead more of an Easter egg.

It's just that the space used for that could have been used for a better overall design.

Anyway, Shockwave took all my pre-order budjet so I'll have to pass on Roddy.

You only budget 180 for Masterpiece in a year? I'm impressed.

[-Kanrabat-]

You only budget 180 for Masterpiece in a year? I'm impressed.

It's more the fact that I already preordered Ironhide and I have little interest in Roddy. Also, Shocky and Roddy may come out at the same time so it's more a matter of "for spring" than "for a year".

Also, there's not JUST MP Transformers that I collect. There's the mainline Transformers, some video games, other random toys.

Finally there those things called "food", "rent", "bus fare", and "bills", that kinda get in the way of buying every single plastic crap that come out.

[Desslok2201]

Do these 2 releases seem accelerated to anyone but me? It seems like we just found out about them, now we have box images. We don't have box images for Ironhide yet, do we?

[Rodimus Prime]

The Matrix holding compartment hidden in the chest, which sparked a overly long and nerdy discussion about G1 fiction that lasted for pages.

You young whippersnappers should use these opportunities to broaden your Transformers knowledge.

[Agamemnon]

Man, those wheels are so under-scaled, it really ruins the look of the vehicle mode

Wasn't until you mentioned that i looked at the wheels and gosh you are right: They do seem rather small

Yeah, he wouldn't have any ground clearance, and it ruins the look of it.

Eh, true, but still not completely terrible though

I think they are going for animated accuracy. The G1 toy looked really great, in my opinion. In fact, I thought it was one of the best looking toys in both bot and robot mode of that time. But, the animation model had much smaller tires. The way they drew Hot Rod in the movie still looked very cool, in my estimation, but the tires were always undersized for some reason. I don't know why it looked okay in the animation and not in a toy...

The Matrix holding compartment hidden in the chest, which sparked a overly long and nerdy discussion about G1 fiction that lasted for pages.

You young whippersnappers should use these opportunities to broaden your Transformers knowledge.

Yeah, I really enjoyed that discussion. It had two sides arguing their points, without breaking down into animosity or mudslinging. It also led to some great reminiscing.

[DMSL]

If only you could put Spike and Daniel in the cockpit, that would be epic. The fishing rod is pointless.

[sol magnus]

You only budget 180 for Masterpiece in a year? I'm impressed.

It's more the fact that I already preordered Ironhide and I have little interest in Roddy. Also, Shocky and Roddy may come out at the same time so it's more a matter of "for spring" than "for a year".

Also, there's not JUST MP Transformers that I collect. There's the mainline Transformers, some video games, other random toys.

Finally there those things called "food", "rent", "bus fare", and "bills", that kinda get in the way of buying every single plastic crap that come out.

Indeed.

I only collect Transformers Masterpiece at this point, and I don't get everything.

[william-james88]

The Matrix holding compartment hidden in the chest, which sparked a overly long and nerdy discussion about G1 fiction that lasted for pages.

You young whippersnappers should use these opportunities to broaden your Transformers knowledge.

Hey wow, I didnt know Wendy Oldbag had an account on Seibertron

I loved that discussion right away and totally recomend younger fans to get into the older stuff, as I did, just to see the rich history of this wonderful property.

About Hot Rodimus, I myself will not be getting him either. Unlike Shockwave, I cannot figure out just by pictures if he is worth it. I dont know how the backpack will look or how well the shellforming will go and those screws on his wrists (who is he, Jesus Christ?!) look beyond odd. So I cant afford to bet minimum 60$ on a whim. Instead I will wait for the reviews and then buy it when it gets a hasbro release. There are actually very few MPs left for Hasbro to issue that have no licenses so I dont doubt he will come around in 2017. I can easily wait till then, they are issuing a bunch of stuff in the meantime that I am very excited about. If I only collected MPs though, this would be a totally different situation.

[huryochagi]

I can't wait to get this one and Shockwave. They both look great.

[galvatron00]

The Matrix holding compartment hidden in the chest, which sparked a overly long and nerdy discussion about G1 fiction that lasted for pages.

You young whippersnappers should use these opportunities to broaden your Transformers knowledge.

I loved that discussion right away and totally recomend younger fans to get into the older stuff, as I did, just to see the rich history of this wonderful property.

I'm just happy I was able to contribute! TF:TM and More Than Meets the Eye/The Ultimate Doom are the things I rematch the most from G1 or any TF universe. Also, pre-ordered him today, after finally pre-ordering Ironhide and Shockwave last night.

Side note: I really need to get a hold of MPs Wheeljack, Bumblebee, Sideswipe, and Ultra Magnus as I honestly don't know why I haven't yet!!

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

It is not.

it is indeed debatable

It's a well-established fact in the cartoon continuity that Alpha Trion created Optimus Prime.

useing the word "created" was never the right way to describe what was done

and either way the cartoon continuity never trully established eXactly how Alpha Trion accomplished the task

The point is that Optimus Prime and Ultra Magnus were already Optimus Prime and Ultra Magnus before they possessed the Matrix. They were already big and strong, so they didn't need an upgrade like Hot Rod.

the point is that you are only assuming that optimus was aa prime before getting the matrix

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Ah, but Orion Pax wasn't changed by the Matrix, he was rebuilt as Optimus Prime by Alpha Trion.

thats actually debatable.

It is not. It's a well-established fact in the cartoon continuity that Alpha Trion created Optimus Prime.

I am right there with you Cyberpath, I dont get how this can be debatable. It was in every version of fiction surrounding Optimus Prime. Sto_vo_kor_2000, I am glad you are here with us taking part in this conversation but simply rejecting arguments with false throw away responses like "that's actually debatable" kinda lessens everything else you present.

im on vaca

give a bro a chance

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

I think Sto is referring to the claim that Orion Pax was rebuilt by Alpha Trion without the Matrix at all is what's debatable. A portion of the fandom suspects that the "something" Alpha Trion said he had that could help Orion when Alpha Trion rebuilt him was the Matrix. Whether Alpha Trion used the Matrix as an element in Prime's reconstruction or if he gave Optimus the Matrix after the reconstruction was finished is the debatable part.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Here's some visual aid, I think this sums it up.

your visual aid changes nothing becAuSe we were never shown what eXSactly alpha trion diD

[Demonology7789]

I'm super excited about this figure!! it looks fantastic, I really don't get all the unnecessary nitpicking it looks damn near spot on to me

[Cyberpath]

I can't wait to get this one and Shockwave. They both look great.

Likewise! And Tracks and Ironhide.

the point is that you are only assuming that optimus was aa prime before getting the matrix

In the cartoon continuity there was no such thing as "a Prime."

"Optimus Prime" (Best of the Best) was his name, not rank.

When Hot Rod took his mantle he was renamed after Optimus Prime to homage the fallen leader. ("Rod" from Hot Rod, "imus Prime" from OP.)


Re the visual chart, the fact remains that when Ultra Magnus had the Matrix he was unchanged in name or appearance. Likewise when Optimus Prime got it back.

He is Optimus Prime with and without the Matrix.

OP & UM were built big and strong. They were built to be leaders/commanders. Hot Rod was built as one of the Autobot cars (like Sideswipe, Prowl, etc) so he was changed by the Matrix.

Whenever Rodimus Prime loses the Matrix he shrinks down to Hot Rod. When OP & UP have it or not, they remain the same. Because that's who they "truly" are.

useing the word "created" was never the right way to describe what was done

and either way the cartoon continuity never trully established eXactly how Alpha Trion accomplished the task

ALPHA TRION: Excuse me. If that young robot needs repairs, I suggest you take him to the next city.

SLINGSHOT: Aww, you've gotta help!

ALPHA TRION: Hhh, take a look inside. They've been pouring in since this morning. I had been developing a way to rebuild our robots to fight the Decepticons, but now...

SILVERBOLT: Please. J-just take a look at him.

ALPHA TRION: Huh... I do detect a strong spirit within him. I'll tell you what. I'm going to attempt to rebuild him entirely.

[WAR DAWN]



FIREFLIGHT: Now we've got to try to help Ariel.

OPTIMUS PRIME: Yes. Can you reconstruct her as you did me?

ALPHA TRION: Perhaps I can try a similar reconstruction using your schematics. I'll send some droids out for her.

[WAR DAWN]

[Sabrblade]

Cyberpath, Sto is referring to the claim that Orion Pax was rebuilt by Alpha Trion without the Matrix at all as being the thing that is considered debatable. A portion of the fandom suspects that the "something" Alpha Trion said he had that could help Orion when Alpha Trion rebuilt him was the Matrix. Whether Alpha Trion used the Matrix as an element in Prime's reconstruction or if he gave Optimus the Matrix after the reconstruction was finished is the debatable part.

He's also referring to your use of the word "created" as a opposed to "rebuilt" or "reconstructed" in regards to Alpha Trion turning Orion Pax into Optimus Prime since the word "created" contains a different connotation from the words "rebuilt" or "reconstructed", as the latter two terms are more accurate descriptions of what Alpha Trion did than the former term. Sto's very particular about semantics.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

In the cartoon continuity there was no such thing as "a Prime."

sure there was....and we saw 2 of them

optimus PRIME
rodimus PRIME

"Optimus Prime" (Best of the Best) was his name, not rank.

thye fact that hotrods name c hanged suggest it may also be a rank

When Hot Rod took his mantle he was renamed after Optimus Prime to homage the fallen leader. ("Rod" from Hot Rod, "imus Prime" from OP.)

good theroy

Re the visual chart, the fact remains that when Ultra Magnus had the Matrix he was unchanged in name or appearance. Likewise when Optimus Prime got it back.

optimus had that far longer and was re-conditioned in a major was in 84 so it can be see as why he did not change back

and magnus was not altered but scourge was

He is Optimus Prime with and without the Matrix.

OP & UM were built big and strong. They were built to be leaders/commanders. Hot Rod was built as one of the Autobot cars (like Sideswipe, Prowl, etc) so he was changed by the Matrix.

Whenever Rodimus Prime loses the Matrix he shrinks down to Hot Rod. When OP & UP have it or not, they remain the same. Because that's who they "truly" are.

again, debatable

[b]ALPHA TRION: Excuse me................

[WAR DAWN]

thanks for proving my point

the word "creating" wa not he right one to describe what was done