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News Credits: 402 · by **Mkall** » Mon May 05, 2008 7:36 pm

bcm77 wrote:The news that Steven Moffat's story will air a couple of weeks after The Doctor's Daughter doesn't exactly fill me with optimism as I find his previous work on Doctor Who to be mediocre or in the case of Blink utter bollocks.
I suppose the Doctor will turn up for the first 5 minutes of part 1 only to disappear until the end of part 2 and we'll have to pretend it's a Doctor Who story for the rest of the time

I liked Blink, I found it to be a very creative take on the Dr Who episodes. And it was specifically written to be a Doctor-lite episode so they could get an additional episode into the season. If Moffat's story with the Doctor is as good as the one without the Doctor (mostly), I think it'll be pretty good.

News Credits: 1 · by **Matrix.** » Tue May 06, 2008 11:03 am

bcm77 wrote:
Matrix. wrote:
bcm77 wrote:The news that Steven Moffat's story will air a couple of weeks after The Doctor's Daughter doesn't exactly fill me with optimism as I find his previous work on Doctor Who to be mediocre or in the case of Blink utter bollocks.
I suppose the Doctor will turn up for the first 5 minutes of part 1 only to disappear until the end of part 2 and we'll have to pretend it's a Doctor Who story for the rest of the time

Blink? Utter bollocks?

No. I can't respond. Anything I want to say will only get me banned.

Respond in any way you like I really don't give a crap.
Maybe you like watching episodes of "Doctor Where?" as opposed to Doctor Who

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! Oh ho-ho.. heh. Masterful wordplay.

bcm77 wrote:but I don't and I cannot see why so many people have their dicks out for a story where the character the series is named after only makes a cameo.
And as for Moffat's other stories,I just didn't find them to be anything special but that can be said for the majority of Nu-Who stories. I'm fully aware that the Classic era had more than it's share of stinkers but I at least have the knowledge about which ones sucked and will avoid viewing them on DVD or if they get shown on a cable channel.

I don't understand why hardcore fans get so touchy or worked up over these things. If you don't like Moffat's stories- which, let's face it- are the most mature and often most complex in the series- then what episodes of 'Nu Hu' did you like?

Please refrain from using Outpost Gallifrey buzz-phrases too. Any more and I'll begin to develop an equally false inferiority complex. ¬_¬

by **bcm77** » Wed May 07, 2008 1:20 pm

My top 5 stories,

1.The Impossible Planet/The Satan Pit
2.Army Of Ghosts/Doomsday
3.The Sontaran Stratagem/The Poison Sky
4.Rise Of The Cybermen/The Age Of Steel
5.Dalek

News Credits: 1 · by **Matrix.** » Sat May 10, 2008 4:28 am

bcm77 wrote:1.The Impossible Planet/The Satan Pit

Hurrah, you're redeemed.

by **bcm77** » Sat May 10, 2008 11:45 am

Matrix. wrote:
bcm77 wrote:1.The Impossible Planet/The Satan Pit

Hurrah, you're redeemed.

That's OK then!

I much prefer the 2-part stories as the pace isn't 110 miles an hour like the one offs and there's more time for the supporting characters to do something other than get taken hostage or killed by the bad guys.
The Impossible Planet/Satan Pit has my favorite new creature from the revived series so far,a great setting,supporting characters that actually make you care about what happens to them,great performances from the two leads and I can watch it again and again and not get bored.
In dodgy spin off related news a 3rd series of Torchwood has been confirmed by RTD who promises "a completely revamped" format.
If this means he's going to drop his gay agenda,remove "adult" themes that seem added to the scripts just for the sake of it,have no more irritating Owen-esque characters and make Martha Jones the team's new doctor then I might give it a go but it will have to be something pretty damn special to get me to watch it again.

News Credits: 5 · by **DARKAGEIS** » Sat May 10, 2008 1:21 pm

doctors daugther,

not a bad episode, got a few questions but im not gonna voice them till most people have seen the ep as i dont want to spoil it for anyone.

tate broke her record, i wanted her to die a lot quicker than usual.

News Credits: 6 · by **City Commander** » Sat May 10, 2008 1:28 pm

Knew they'd bring Dr jr back at the end.

How many episodes do you reckon there'll be until she and the doctor meet again then?

by **bcm77** » Sat May 10, 2008 2:18 pm

Dealer wrote:Knew they'd bring Dr jr back at the end.

How many episodes do you reckon there'll be until she and the doctor meet again then?

I think she's likely to show up again in the series finale along with Captain Jack,Rose,Mickey,Sarah Jane & K9 who are supposed to be returning to assist the Doctor against Davros and the Daleks.
Failing that I'd say it's a strong possibility that she'll return in a story where she needs Daddy to save her from something or vice versa :roll:

by **Lorekeeper** » Sat May 10, 2008 9:23 pm

A bit of a shallow episode... too much happening with not enough development. Nice possibilities for the characters, though.

Hey, Tate didn't cry in this one!!! (Although Marfa did...)

Why didn't the Tardis translate fishspeak? Are they anti-babelfish?

I would like to see Jenny get tracked down by a real timelord looking for the Doctor... that might actually be a good way to get thet plot thread going. The Rani anyone?

by **Cornicer** » Sun May 11, 2008 10:15 am

Lorekeeper wrote:A bit of a shallow episode... too much happening with not enough development. Nice possibilities for the characters, though.

Agreed. Especially towards the end, it felt rather rushed.

With that said, though, it was WAY better than I had expected. I actually began to like Jenny, and they did a PRETTY good job of keeping away from the predictable stuff(well, ok, Jenny dying WAS a bit predictable; but they did a good job of the scene). It was entertaining, but I just wish that they had spent a bit more time at the end with the Humans and the Hath.

Overall, it wasn't exactly SUPERB Doctor Who, but it WAS entertaining Doctor Who.

by **bcm77** » Sun May 11, 2008 1:19 pm

All things considered it doesn't sound like I missed much and I won't bother catching a rerun. Next week's episode is the Agatha Christie one which I also have no intrest in and following that is the 2-part Steven Moffat story so it looks like I'll be taking a longer break from the show than I expected and right now I'm questioning whether it's worth watching again until we get a new producer and Doctor.

News Credits: 226 · by **Burn** » Sun May 11, 2008 4:21 pm

I quite liked it.

Jenny was a nice mix of Tennant enthusiasm and Davidson looks. I'd love to see all three of them get together for a story.

Why the Tardis didn't translate Hath speak is odd. They've mentioned it a couple of times in this new series and now suddenly it doesn't work and Martha didn't even bother questioning it? Yeah, nice little plot hole there.

I guess this one and the next one though will be somewhat quiet episodes with the Moffet 2-parter kicking things up again.

News Credits: 1 · by **Matrix.** » Mon May 12, 2008 12:25 pm

bcm77 wrote:All things considered it doesn't sound like I missed much and I won't bother catching a rerun. Next week's episode is the Agatha Christie one which I also have no intrest in and following that is the 2-part Steven Moffat story so it looks like I'll be taking a longer break from the show than I expected and right now I'm questioning whether it's worth watching again until we get a new producer and Doctor.

Oh come off it- not watching a Dr. Who ep because of Agatha Christie?

I'd give up on the series full stop, mate. I don't think Dr. Who's really your thing.

by **bcm77** » Mon May 12, 2008 4:24 pm

Matrix. wrote:
bcm77 wrote:All things considered it doesn't sound like I missed much and I won't bother catching a rerun. Next week's episode is the Agatha Christie one which I also have no intrest in and following that is the 2-part Steven Moffat story so it looks like I'll be taking a longer break from the show than I expected and right now I'm questioning whether it's worth watching again until we get a new producer and Doctor.

Oh come off it- not watching a Dr. Who ep because of Agatha Christie?

I'd give up on the series full stop, mate. I don't think Dr. Who's really your thing.

I'm seriously considering it as far as the revived series goes,it's far from the worst thing on TV but I don't see why people are going so ape over it. I think US audiences only like it because it's like all their poopy sci-fi shows,all style and no substance.

News Credits: 9 · by **Editor** » Mon May 12, 2008 4:35 pm

Sorry but that last post confuses me.

A complaint that US Sci-Fi is all style and no substance may be somewhat valid with a lot of shows, but it sounds like as far as Who goes that is exactly what you are asking for.

It's the episodes like the ones that you hope to miss are the episodes that give the series substance and make it different. Look at series 3, there are plenty of style episodes but it's the substance episodes like the Family of Blood and Blink that stand out as what makes Dr. Who worth getting and looking forward to watching.

But that's just my opinion.

by **bcm77** » Mon May 12, 2008 5:05 pm

Editor wrote:Sorry but that last post confuses me.

A complaint that US Sci-Fi is all style and no substance may be somewhat valid with a lot of shows, but it sounds like as far as Who goes that is exactly what you are asking for.

It's the episodes like the ones that you hope to miss are the episodes that give the series substance and make it different. Look at series 3, there are plenty of style episodes but it's the substance episodes like the Family of Blood and Blink that stand out as what makes Dr. Who worth getting and looking forward to watching.

But that's just my opinion.

OK maybe I could have expressed things better, I DO want more stories with substance to go with the action based ones but please don't use Blink and The Family Of Blood/Human Nature as examples because neither qualify.
One doesn't even deserve to be called a Doctor Who episode and was clearly written long before Moffat ever got the writing gig for the revived series.

News Credits: 9 · by **Editor** » Mon May 12, 2008 5:28 pm

Blink was originally writen only a few years earlier as the original story featured Nine and Rose, but was always a Doctor Who story, and the episode was well plot out, it may not have featured the Doc in the lead role but was still a who story which as far as the swing episode in the series goes was a lot more interesting than the LINDA story in series 2.

The Family of Blood was originally a novel released a decade ago that should have featured Seven and Mel (i believe) but was a strong story that I found very interesting, and was quite nessisary for the flow of series 3. For one, it allowed Martha to grow beyond her basic feelings for the Doctor when "John" only saw her as a servant, and the whole usage of the fob watch changed from convinent plot element from the original story to a central element once we met Professor YANA.

I find both to be above average examples, but oh well, we are intitled to our own opinions.

News Credits: 104 · by **Cyber Bishop** » Mon May 12, 2008 5:49 pm

Burn wrote:I quite liked it.

Jenny was a nice mix of Tennant enthusiasm and Davidson looks. I'd love to see all three of them get together for a story.

Why the Tardis didn't translate Hath speak is odd. They've mentioned it a couple of times in this new series and now suddenly it doesn't work and Martha didn't even bother questioning it? Yeah, nice little plot hole there.

I liked it as well.

Jenny was a nice addition to the whoniverse and who knows, spin off show? Torchwood? Sara Jane?

The non translation of hath speak confused me as well..

by **bcm77** » Mon May 12, 2008 6:16 pm

"Jenny was a nice addition to the whoniverse and who knows, spin off show? Torchwood? Sara Jane?"

Yeah let's have RTD water the parent franchise down even more with another poopy spinoff :roll:

Editor,
Thanks for the clarification on the origins of Blink, I do agree that it was better than Love & Monsters and the Weeping Angels were decent creatures but the lack of the series title character for the majority of the show didn't really make it feel like a Doctor Who story to me.
I was aware of Family Of Blood's prior existence as a novel but I just found it boring viewing,maybe I don't analyse the character's motivations and feelings the way you described but I just couldn't get into it.
And the fob watch only lead to RTD's hideous version of The Master so I can't really endorse that either.

News Credits: 9 · by **Editor** » Mon May 12, 2008 6:23 pm

While watching the episode I thought that maybe the Hath were empathic or something which would explain the fact there was no translations yet Martha understood. Also I found that most of their actions were understandable.

However during the filming of the quicksand scene on Confidencial Martha's friend clearly had lines, whether they were dropped or just for Freema to act off of is anyone's guess.

News Credits: 226 · by **Burn** » Mon May 12, 2008 6:55 pm

Cyber Bishop wrote:Jenny was a nice addition to the whoniverse and who knows, spin off show? Torchwood? Sara Jane?

Well they were tossing around ideas a few years back on what would happen when The Doctor ran out of regenerations and they were thinking of a son to replace him.

So who knows ...

News Credits: 9 · by **Editor** » Mon May 12, 2008 9:54 pm

But shouldn't the Doc have at least 3 move lives?

Eights monologue at the start of the movie lists Time Lords with 13 lives (natural with out manipulating things like the Master) so unless these decide to state that One wasn't his first generation (which I don't believe they have mentioned previously) than Doc has at least 3 more regenerations before that would be a requirement.

News Credits: 104 · by **Cyber Bishop** » Tue May 13, 2008 6:35 am

bcm77 wrote:"Jenny was a nice addition to the whoniverse and who knows, spin off show? Torchwood? Sara Jane?"

Yeah let's have RTD water the parent franchise down even more with another poopy spinoff

Editor,
Thanks for the clarification on the origins of Blink, I do agree that it was better than Love & Monsters and the Weeping Angels were decent creatures but the lack of the series title character for the majority of the show didn't really make it feel like a Doctor Who story to me.
I was aware of Family Of Blood's prior existence as a novel but I just found it boring viewing,maybe I don't analyse the character's motivations and feelings the way you described but I just couldn't get into it.
And the fob watch only lead to RTD's hideous version of The Master so I can't really endorse that either.

I have been reading some of your responses in this thread and you need to watch the attitude.

by **bcm77** » Tue May 13, 2008 9:10 am

If we're talking spinoffs I know of one that would be far more intresting than Torchwood,The Sarah Jane Adventures or a Jenny Who series combined and that would be a 6-part look at the Time War.
RTD has claimed they don't have the budget to do it (which I don't believe) but if they dropped Torchwood and SJA for a year it would surely be doable.
The BBC should throw as much money as it takes to get Paul McGann and Christopher Eccleston to return (have the regeneration in part 3 or 4) and really go all out and make it a special event in the year's TV schedule.
Seeing the Doctor fighting on the front lines,watching planets fall,getting so badly injured that he has to regnenerate and then his mixture of emotions upon destroying the Daleks at the expense of his own people would be wayyyyy more intresting than another series of Torchwood or a Jenny Who series that would surely be little more than a Buffy ripoff.

News Credits: 9 · by **Editor** » Tue May 13, 2008 11:13 am

Well if they were to do the Time War the special effects budget for a single episode would likely topple the budget for a whole season of Sarah Jane. Not that SJA is low-budget but Time War would be massive.

If they did do it however there are a few things I would look for to be in there, as the Master was brought back to fight for the Time Lords so Eric Roberts could return for that (maybe hurt while escaping forceing a regeneration into a young child so he heads for the end of time & wipes himself to create Yana). The Doc needs a reason to survive so rather than having the regeneration midway, have a huge battle where Eight is hurt, have somebody drag him back to the Tardis, and lock it outside time after returning to the the final battle. (Susan or Romana maybe) Leaving Nine to revive and try to return only to find Galifrey in flames.