Saber Prime wrote:Does anyone else think that with the returning voice actor from past series and the many guest appearances in Animated that they should give guest roles to the past Optimus Primes and Megatrons?
Obviously not AS Optimus and Megatron, but maybe in other roles that are related to the current characters. I was even thinking of Frank Welker appearing as Megatron's father.
David Kaye would be left out of the line up as he's in every episode anyway as Optimus Prime, Grimlock, and Lugnut.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
ebilly99 wrote:SPOILER SARI SUMDAC
After racking my brian I fugiered out part of the what is sari question, Remeber the first eppisode that while Dr sumdac is giving a tour he mentions the microbots, it seems like a mighty coincedence that the first scene featuring sari also explains the microbots. Also the microbots have already played a bit role (Giant Roaches, and the trash devoures from garbage in garbage out)
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
ebilly99 wrote:Becuse of what Isac Sumdac himself said about the microbots. They are the first step of fussing the robotic and the organic. Therfore the best of both worlds. The question still in the air is, is she a human with microbots, or a robot with mmicrobots?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
ebilly99 wrote:we can only prove she is at least one year old becuse of her dog.
Saber Prime wrote:ebilly99 wrote:we can only prove she is at least one year old becuse of her dog.
What does her dog have anything to do with proveing how old she is?
If you're refering to the Birthday episode she had the dog long before that. She was seen chaseing it in the verry first scene she appeared.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Saber Prime wrote:ebilly99 wrote:we can only prove she is at least one year old becuse of her dog.
What does her dog have anything to do with proveing how old she is?
If you're refering to the Birthday episode she had the dog long before that. She was seen chaseing it in the verry first scene she appeared.
She got her dog on her previous birthday. The one from the year before the year she got Soundwave.
And where've you been Saber Prime? I've waiting for your response on the other thread.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:I never said she was a robot, I said she was an android. There is a difference.
A robot is a fully inorganic machine. An android is like a robot, but it's one that has been given organic components and designed to look/feel/act like a regular human in almost every way possible.
We really can't she's a cyborg, though. A cyborg is a human that has been given robotic parts. Since there has been no birth certificate or any evidence that she was born human, we have no way of saying that she was.
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T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:I never said she was a robot, I said she was an android. There is a difference.
A robot is a fully inorganic machine. An android is like a robot, but it's one that has been given organic components and designed to look/feel/act like a regular human in almost every way possible.
We really can't she's a cyborg, though. A cyborg is a human that has been given robotic parts. Since there has been no birth certificate or any evidence that she was born human, we have no way of saying that she was.
Your a bit mixed up.
A robot is a fully inorganic machine that can have any shape or appearance.Examples are manufacture line robots.
An Android [like a robot] is a fully inorganic machine designed with components that mimic organics and are designed to look and act like a regular human.Examples are Data from Star trek TNG
A Cyborg is a being that is composed of both robotic's and organic parts.Examples can be Cyborg from the Teen Titans or the Terminators T100 serries.
A Cyborg does not have to have started out life as a human.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:I never said she was a robot, I said she was an android. There is a difference.
A robot is a fully inorganic machine. An android is like a robot, but it's one that has been given organic components and designed to look/feel/act like a regular human in almost every way possible.
We really can't she's a cyborg, though. A cyborg is a human that has been given robotic parts. Since there has been no birth certificate or any evidence that she was born human, we have no way of saying that she was.
Your a bit mixed up.
A robot is a fully inorganic machine that can have any shape or appearance.Examples are manufacture line robots.
An Android [like a robot] is a fully inorganic machine designed with components that mimic organics and are designed to look and act like a regular human.Examples are Data from Star trek TNG
A Cyborg is a being that is composed of both robotic's and organic parts.Examples can be Cyborg from the Teen Titans or the Terminators T100 serries.
A Cyborg does not have to have started out life as a human.
But didn't TT's Cyborg and the Terminators start out as humans?
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Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:A Cyborg is a being that is composed of both robotic's and organic parts.Examples can be Cyborg from the Teen Titans or the Terminators T100 serries.
A Cyborg does not have to have started out life as a human.
Sabrblade wrote:But didn't TT's Cyborg and the Terminators start out as humans?
Saber Prime wrote:You're a bit mixed up.
Saber Prime wrote: The terminators are NOT cyborgs.
Saber Prime wrote:A cyborg is an organic with cybernetic parts but they do start out organic.
Saber Prime wrote:A robot with organic parts which is what the Terminators were is different from a cyborg.
Saber Prime wrote: I'm not sure they were ever really given a name outside of transformers but they are Technorganics.
Saber Prime wrote:No they started out as robots. You missed the entire plot of the movies if you thought they were humans.
Judgment Day, not the title of the second movie but the actual day they talk about in the movies, is the day when all the machines orginally designed to serve man kind turned on us and started a war. That future war John Conner is the leader of is a war of humans agenst machines.
The machines that travel into the past only have the human appearance because the time bubble that they use to get to the past destroys any inorganic material it comes into contact with. (this is allso why they appear in the past naked) as an added bonus, the skin allso acts as a disguise for a while.
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T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:the term does apply to any being that is in part both part organic and part robotic.
The main difference is that the term Cyborg only applies to "cybernetic organism" that appear to look human while a Techno-organic can resemble any form of organic life.
Saber Prime wrote:You know for a guy who never contridicts himself you sure like to do it alot and ironically that is allso a contridiction. Anyway, these two quotes here don't match.sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:the term does apply to any being that is in part both part organic and part robotic.The main difference is that the term Cyborg only applies to "cybernetic organism" that appear to look human while a Techno-organic can resemble any form of organic life.
In the first quote you said ANY being that is part organic and part cybernetic is a cyborg. In the second quote you said they'd be a technorganic as appearantly only technorganics can take on any form.
Cyborgs as you put it in the second quote have to be humanoid but you didn't specify that in the first quote.
Saber Prime wrote:
So are you sure you know what your talking about because it kinda sounds like your questioning these definitions yourself.
More to the point, I don't recall the term "Cyborg" EVER being used in a terminator movie. They only refer to them as "the machines" or robots. Most offten it's "the machines". Technically speaking the T800, Arnold, was not even a blend of robotic and organic material. He was a full robot with an organic covering. Whenever they showed thoughs robots in the future scenes they didn't have the skin and were just the mechanical componants.
Saber Prime wrote:
Data did have Organic componants intigrated into his circuitry at one point, implanted by the Borg in one of the movies. It actully surved as part of his body at that point where as the skin on the T800 only served as a covering, there's no evidence to suport it was part of their systems. They felt nothing if the skin was damaged where as Data could feel his skin.
Saber Prime wrote:
The problem here is really trying to apply terms to all sci-fi that are used differently in every fiction. Kinda like an earlier argument we had on weather or not Mutant and Natural were the same thing. Because you were useing Marvel comics definition of Mutant and I was useing City of Heroes/Villains definition.
Allthough the definitions aren't much different.
Mutant is the next stage in evolution for Mervel, a suposidly natural evolution. But that begs the question, why doesn't everyone evolve the same way?
Saber Prime wrote:
Natural humans, is just what we are in real life, every perfectly healthy human being is capable of the same things. And notice I said perfectly healthy because I realize some people have dissabilitys that could limit their abilitys. Some people however learn to cominsate for say the lack of haveing arms and again, we could all learn to do the same.
In the fictional universe not all mutants can learn to controll the weather or shoot lasers out of their eyes. So if this is a natural evolution why don't they have the potential to develop the same powers for every mutant?
Normal humans have the same potential so why don't any mutants have the same potential?
Saber Prime wrote:The X-Men are all examples of mutants.
Saber Prime wrote:
Spider-man, the Fantastic Four, and the Hulk are examples of Science.
Saber Prime wrote:Ironman is an example of Technoligy.
Batman, Superman, and the Punisher are examples of natural origins.
Blade would probly be classified as Magic because vampires are mythical creatures. Magic is just a catigory all it's own that can't be exsplained by any of the other 4.
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T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:The term Cyborg was used in at least 1 of the movies not to mention the current tv serries.
Saber Prime wrote:Data did have Organic componants intigrated into his circuitry at one point, implanted by the Borg in one of the movies. It actully surved as part of his body at that point where as the skin on the T800 only served as a covering, there's no evidence to suport it was part of their systems. They felt nothing if the skin was damaged where as Data could feel his skin.
And for those few minutes Data was considered a cyborg.I dont see being part of their systems or not as being a defining factor on wether they are cyborgs.
If they have growing,living organic components then they are cyborgs.
Saber Prime wrote:Spider-man, the Fantastic Four, and the Hulk are examples of Science.
Science that "MUTATED" their genes.
Saber Prime wrote:Ironman is an example of Technoligy.
Batman, Superman, and the Punisher are examples of natural origins.
Blade would probly be classified as Magic because vampires are mythical creatures. Magic is just a catigory all it's own that can't be exsplained by any of the other 4.
There are two types of Vampire in the Marvel U.
Saber Prime wrote:Look at it this way. If a robot with an organic skin is a cyborg then Ironmonger would allso be a cyborg. I'm not going to dispute Ironman because his chest piece actully could consider him a cyborg but no part of Ironmonger is actully mechanical, it's just a covering.
So that being said, do you consider Ironmonger to be a cyborg and if not, why?
Saber Prime wrote:
Yes but did you read where I talked about the different mutants. Like Spider-man being a mutant and Wolverine not likeing him because he's not a BORN mutant.
Saber Prime wrote:I can't remember the characters name or I'd actully try to look him up but I know who you're talking about. He was in the cartoon series as well. A Science origin vampire who started out as a villain on the series and later on ended up working with Blade. He was physically mutated unlike a real vampire and had these 5 holes in his hands that he could use to draw blood rather than biteing like a real vampire. Other than the blood thing he actully was nothing like a vampire but they still called him one.
If this isn't what you were talking about, could you clarify?
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T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
StealthPrime-91 wrote:I swear if I had £1 for everytime someone complimented Chronic's penis I would be freakin' rich!
chronic wrote:Haven't chaeck this thread in quite a while now, but why am I not surprised to see sto_vo_kor and Saber Prime going at it over a trivial point you two could give Megatron and Prime a run for there money
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Morbius, the Living Vampire
He is what I'm talking about but his origins,powers and phical abbilities were changed for the cartoon serries.
In the comics he bit people with his fangs like any other Vampire.
By 1994, heavy censorship was being enforced by Fox because certain shows were being banned for excessive violence in some countries. So in a bid to make the Spider-Man animated series as politically correct as possible, the producers of the show were instructed to abide by their extensive list of requirements. Among the notable restrictions were:There are, however, notable exceptions to these rules. Examples include:
- Not mentioning "death", "die", "kill" or other words with a strong negative meaning. Death was to be avoided, leading the issue to be skirted around. "Destroy" and "destruction" were frequently employed as synonyms. For example:
- Rather than explicitly stating that Uncle Ben was killed it is only said that he "was shot" and that Peter "let him down."
- It is stated that the Punisher's family was "caught in a crossfire between rival gangs", and the same applied to the wife of the Destroyer.
- At one point, when the Green Goblin returns after seemingly perishing, Spider-Man says, "You?! But I thought you were-" and the Green Goblin cuts him off with, "I'm not.. but you'll soon be!" before throwing a Pumpkin Bomb at Spider-Man.
- When Hydro-Man was defeated and evaporated, Mary Jane asked "Is he-?" Spider-Man cuts her off by saying "Not necessarily." He goes on to explain that water that evaporates always eventually returns to the earth in the form of rain.
- There were exceptions, such as when Felicia's mother was attacked by Kraven, and stated "That madman nearly killed you." or when Mary Jane suggested that Harry was trying to "avenge the death of his father."
- Many realistic guns were not allowed, and no firearms could shoot bullets, so instead they fired lasers complimented by 'futuristic' sound effects. This often led to scenes in which ordinary policemen wielded futuristic pistols. However, in Episode 3.09, Robbie Robertson's son Randy finds a real-looking gun in his father's desk, though it is never fired on screen, and in Episode 56, when Keane Marlow is telling the story of how he lost his wife, the bank robbers are firing a pistol and a semi-automatic. In "Day of the Chameleon", the Chameleon is about to pull out a realistic looking pistol from behind his back before Spider-Man stops him. In "Sting of the Scorpion" a flashback shows Jameson's wife's killer supposedly using a realistic gun in a drive by shooting. It is worth noting that the team behind the roughly contemporary Batman: The Animated Series portrayed realistic, if anachronistic, firearms onscreen throughout that show's run without ever having an episode banned or censored as a result.
- Spider-Man was not allowed to hit anyone with his fist, however there were a few exceptions. In Episode 39 ("The Spot") in which he used his spider-sense to guide a punch through a dimension portal and knock out the Spot. He also punched the Scorpion twice in "The Final Nightmare."
- No crashing glass was allowed. However, in Episode 43, when Spider-Man and Doc Ock were battling in Felicia and Anastasia Hardy's home, Ock accidentally smashed a glass window with one of his tentacles.
- No children in peril, although there was a scene where a teenager was stuck to the bottom of an elevator, about to be crushed until Spider-Man saved him.
- No vampires were allowed on the show. This created complications with the use of the characters Morbius the living vampire and Blade the vampire hunter. Consequently, Morbius only drained victims through suckers on his hands, rather than by biting them in the traditional vampire style on the neck, and rather than blood, his sustenance was referred to only as "plasma." However, the word "blood" is used regularly in non-vampire episodes. True vampires later appeared anyway, primarily in the form of Blade's vampire mother, but they are not shown actually biting anyone.
- Spider-Man was not allowed to harm any pigeons when he landed on rooftops.
- Cletus Kasady a.k.a. Carnage was not a serial killer in the series, he was just a madman. Carnage never actually used his symbiotic blades to harm anyone, he was either stopped or dodged. He also absorbed people's energy rather than killing them outright. However, he has made a few references to attempts to murder. For instance, when Baron Mordo stated to him that he needed a few more life forces, Carnage said "Only a few? Too bad!". He also referred to his process of draining life force as "feeding".
After the September 11, 2001 attacks, ABC Family heavily edited the episode "Day of the Chameleon" to remove the World Trade Center buildings, parts of the New York skyline, and a helicopter crashing into a building, exploding, and falling to the ground below, among other shots. This resulted in the first scene being impossible to comprehend as it was originally intended. Dialogue was re-looped to match the new, shorter version. Some production credits from the episode are missing as well, due to their being on screen during the omitted footage. They also removed the last two episodes of the second season since both of them featured a building burning down. Another noticeable edit can be viewed in season three's "Enter the Green Goblin" episode. In the original, the Goblin Glider slams into a building with Spider-Man riding on top. In the newly edited version, the scene is cut, and Spider-Man emerges from a hole in the side of the building. Another edit occurs near the end of episode 21, when it is revealed that Kraven and Punisher's last battle with the "Man-Spider" was in fact inside the parking garage of the World Trade Center, and that Kraven had deduced the location by smelling some webbing left at a previous battle and detecting remnant soot in it from the terrorist bombing of the early 1990s. The whole sequence of Punisher finding out where they are and Kraven's explanation of how he knew where to look for them was cut, though the battle scenes within the garage are left intact, since obviously they could belong to any parking garage until the final revelation.
- When Spider-Man and Mary Jane Watson confront Hydro-Man in Episode 2.03 for the last time, Hydro-Man vaporizes when he touches hot ground, and never returns.
- Due to the unstable DNA structure of the clones of Mary Jane Watson and Hydro-Man, they vaporized and died.
- Several other characters, including Mysterio, Jameson's wife and the Kingpin's father were implied to have died off-screen.
- It should be noted that the restricted words were sometimes mentioned regardless of Fox's censorship. For example, in "The Insidious Six", Scorpion states that he'd "kill to work for the Kingpin" (a common exaggeration used by many). Another variation appears in "Hydro Man", where Liz Allan says the word in pig latin to Mary Jane. When trying to reason with The Spot, Spider-Man said "You're no killer." Scorpion even said the word "kill" in his first appearance and the death words were used regularly in the Six Forgotten Warriors five-part episode saga.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Saber Prime wrote:Look at it this way. If a robot with an organic skin is a cyborg then Ironmonger would allso be a cyborg. I'm not going to dispute Ironman because his chest piece actully could consider him a cyborg but no part of Ironmonger is actully mechanical, it's just a covering.
So that being said, do you consider Ironmonger to be a cyborg and if not, why?
By what logic can you consider the Ironmonger a Cyborg.
Its a robotic suit....that may tie into the wear's nerves system but its still a suit.
Now if the wearer has had modifications done to his body to eneble him to wear the suit then he may be considered a cyborg but if the suit can tie into a persons body/mind the way they are naturally then they are not cyborgs.
Saber Prime wrote:Yes but did you read where I talked about the different mutants. Like Spider-man being a mutant and Wolverine not likeing him because he's not a BORN mutant.
I read it and ignored it because it was obvious that you misunderstood the calling of him as a mutant in that animated episode.
It was part of the plot to cause confusion in the character.
Simply put Spiderman is not a mutant.He is a "Mutate".His DNA has be "MUTATED" at a cellular level.
So by no means is Spiderman a mutant.
On the other hand there is a theory in the Marvel U that characters like Spiderman,The Hulk,The FF and so many others carry within them a recessive mutant gene like some parents carry the recessive Blue eye gene.
The idea is that while Peter Parker was not born a mutant his offspring may have been if he mated with an other person with a recessive mutant gene.
The reasons for this theroy is that many other characters exposed to the same things that have mutated Spidermans or the Hulks bodies dont always mutate into beings with powers and sometimes die from exposer.
Saber Prime wrote:I can't remember the characters name or I'd actully try to look him up but I know who you're talking about. He was in the cartoon series as well. A Science origin vampire who started out as a villain on the series and later on ended up working with Blade. He was physically mutated unlike a real vampire and had these 5 holes in his hands that he could use to draw blood rather than biteing like a real vampire. Other than the blood thing he actully was nothing like a vampire but they still called him one.
If this isn't what you were talking about, could you clarify?
Morbius, the Living Vampire
He is what I'm talking about but his origins,powers and phical abbilities were changed for the cartoon serries.
In the comics he bit people with his fangs like any other Vampire.
Sabrblade wrote:Yes, that series changed so much and suffered from some seriously heavy cencorship:By 1994, heavy censorship was being enforced by Fox because certain shows were being banned for excessive violence in some countries. So in a bid to make the Spider-Man animated series as politically correct as possible, the producers of the show were instructed to abide by their extensive list of requirements. Among the notable restrictions were:There are, however, notable exceptions to these rules. Examples include:
- Not mentioning "death", "die", "kill" or other words with a strong negative meaning. Death was to be avoided, leading the issue to be skirted around. "Destroy" and "destruction" were frequently employed as synonyms. For example:
- Rather than explicitly stating that Uncle Ben was killed it is only said that he "was shot" and that Peter "let him down."
- It is stated that the Punisher's family was "caught in a crossfire between rival gangs", and the same applied to the wife of the Destroyer.
- At one point, when the Green Goblin returns after seemingly perishing, Spider-Man says, "You?! But I thought you were-" and the Green Goblin cuts him off with, "I'm not.. but you'll soon be!" before throwing a Pumpkin Bomb at Spider-Man.
- When Hydro-Man was defeated and evaporated, Mary Jane asked "Is he-?" Spider-Man cuts her off by saying "Not necessarily." He goes on to explain that water that evaporates always eventually returns to the earth in the form of rain.
- There were exceptions, such as when Felicia's mother was attacked by Kraven, and stated "That madman nearly killed you." or when Mary Jane suggested that Harry was trying to "avenge the death of his father."
- Many realistic guns were not allowed, and no firearms could shoot bullets, so instead they fired lasers complimented by 'futuristic' sound effects. This often led to scenes in which ordinary policemen wielded futuristic pistols. However, in Episode 3.09, Robbie Robertson's son Randy finds a real-looking gun in his father's desk, though it is never fired on screen, and in Episode 56, when Keane Marlow is telling the story of how he lost his wife, the bank robbers are firing a pistol and a semi-automatic. In "Day of the Chameleon", the Chameleon is about to pull out a realistic looking pistol from behind his back before Spider-Man stops him. In "Sting of the Scorpion" a flashback shows Jameson's wife's killer supposedly using a realistic gun in a drive by shooting. It is worth noting that the team behind the roughly contemporary Batman: The Animated Series portrayed realistic, if anachronistic, firearms onscreen throughout that show's run without ever having an episode banned or censored as a result.
- Spider-Man was not allowed to hit anyone with his fist, however there were a few exceptions. In Episode 39 ("The Spot") in which he used his spider-sense to guide a punch through a dimension portal and knock out the Spot. He also punched the Scorpion twice in "The Final Nightmare."
- No crashing glass was allowed. However, in Episode 43, when Spider-Man and Doc Ock were battling in Felicia and Anastasia Hardy's home, Ock accidentally smashed a glass window with one of his tentacles.
- No children in peril, although there was a scene where a teenager was stuck to the bottom of an elevator, about to be crushed until Spider-Man saved him.
- No vampires were allowed on the show. This created complications with the use of the characters Morbius the living vampire and Blade the vampire hunter. Consequently, Morbius only drained victims through suckers on his hands, rather than by biting them in the traditional vampire style on the neck, and rather than blood, his sustenance was referred to only as "plasma." However, the word "blood" is used regularly in non-vampire episodes. True vampires later appeared anyway, primarily in the form of Blade's vampire mother, but they are not shown actually biting anyone.
- Spider-Man was not allowed to harm any pigeons when he landed on rooftops.
- Cletus Kasady a.k.a. Carnage was not a serial killer in the series, he was just a madman. Carnage never actually used his symbiotic blades to harm anyone, he was either stopped or dodged. He also absorbed people's energy rather than killing them outright. However, he has made a few references to attempts to murder. For instance, when Baron Mordo stated to him that he needed a few more life forces, Carnage said "Only a few? Too bad!". He also referred to his process of draining life force as "feeding".
After the September 11, 2001 attacks, ABC Family heavily edited the episode "Day of the Chameleon" to remove the World Trade Center buildings, parts of the New York skyline, and a helicopter crashing into a building, exploding, and falling to the ground below, among other shots. This resulted in the first scene being impossible to comprehend as it was originally intended. Dialogue was re-looped to match the new, shorter version. Some production credits from the episode are missing as well, due to their being on screen during the omitted footage. They also removed the last two episodes of the second season since both of them featured a building burning down. Another noticeable edit can be viewed in season three's "Enter the Green Goblin" episode. In the original, the Goblin Glider slams into a building with Spider-Man riding on top. In the newly edited version, the scene is cut, and Spider-Man emerges from a hole in the side of the building. Another edit occurs near the end of episode 21, when it is revealed that Kraven and Punisher's last battle with the "Man-Spider" was in fact inside the parking garage of the World Trade Center, and that Kraven had deduced the location by smelling some webbing left at a previous battle and detecting remnant soot in it from the terrorist bombing of the early 1990s. The whole sequence of Punisher finding out where they are and Kraven's explanation of how he knew where to look for them was cut, though the battle scenes within the garage are left intact, since obviously they could belong to any parking garage until the final revelation.
- When Spider-Man and Mary Jane Watson confront Hydro-Man in Episode 2.03 for the last time, Hydro-Man vaporizes when he touches hot ground, and never returns.
- Due to the unstable DNA structure of the clones of Mary Jane Watson and Hydro-Man, they vaporized and died.
- Several other characters, including Mysterio, Jameson's wife and the Kingpin's father were implied to have died off-screen.
- It should be noted that the restricted words were sometimes mentioned regardless of Fox's censorship. For example, in "The Insidious Six", Scorpion states that he'd "kill to work for the Kingpin" (a common exaggeration used by many). Another variation appears in "Hydro Man", where Liz Allan says the word in pig latin to Mary Jane. When trying to reason with The Spot, Spider-Man said "You're no killer." Scorpion even said the word "kill" in his first appearance and the death words were used regularly in the Six Forgotten Warriors five-part episode saga.
Saber Prime wrote:Well by you're logic. Like you just exsplained, the Ironmonger armor is "just a suit" there's nothing conecting the suit to the human inside it.
The skin on the Terminator T800 is the same thing. There's nothing conecting the skin to the robot inside it.
Saber Prime wrote:I don't belive that exsplination was ever mentioned in the cartoon.
Saber Prime wrote: It was just the difference between born mutants and people like Spider-man who became mutants later in life.
Saber Prime wrote:What you're saying is probly true for the comics, but was different for the cartoon.
Saber Prime wrote:[
In the movie allso different. It was shown in the first movie that Bruce Banner's father was giving him drugs that allowed him to be mutated rather than getting killed.
Saber Prime wrote:
In the second movie it was mentioned briefly that Betty Ross had created some sort of primer that Bruce took before the exsperiment. In the words of the Leader "That's why you didn't die from radiation sickness years ago."
Saber Prime wrote:[
It actully seems even Abomination was taking the super soilder serum that could have prevented his death and caused a mutation insted.
Saber Prime wrote:Well, what was the difference between him and a normal vampire in the comics?
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