The Energon Pub

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Here's my source Sto:
http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Cybe ... anchise%29

I just read trew it but I still dont see a House of M connection in the explaination.

But thanks for the link.

[Dead Metal]

Here's my source Sto:
http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Cybe ... anchise%29

I just read trew it but I still dont see a House of M connection in the explaination.

But thanks for the link.

I never stated that it had a connectio, just that Unicron's death had a similar effect to the Unicron tryology as Magnetos doughter in the Marvel Universe had with House of M, altering realety in a way that caracters forget things and lead a different life.

[Saber Prime]

Sence Animated did use G1 footage it's tied itself to G1 weather it wants to or not. It's just a different take on G1 where maybe they never went to Earth.

So you just admited that its not Animated is not connected to the same G1 as the original G1 toon.So ani Ratchet is not G1 Ratchet.

Look at best this is a re-boot of G1 but even that makes it a different contiuity then the original toon.

All the history footage proves is that both G1 and Animated share a simular past.But almost all of the TF universe's share some eliments of G1's past history.

Never said it was the same G1, just said it was G1. With all the plot holes in G1 who's to say what's G1 and what isn't really?

Just because it's not the G1 we know doesn't mean that this Ratchet isn't G1 Ratchet. There's still that line of dialog stateing that Ratchet was in the Great War refering to the G1 "History Tapes" so even if this is some alternate universe that still makes this Ratchet the same Ratchet from G1. At least in form anyway, he's been Up Graded as has Megatron but they're still the same characters, just from a universe where they've never been to Earth.

Allso yes they did show Megatron being built on an assembly line. It was at the end of the episode with A-3 I belive but I'll have to go back and check to be sure.

-=edit=-

The episode is "Forever Is a Long Time Coming" and unfortunatly I can't find the episode on You Tube. At least not in english. It's not verry fun to watch Transformers when you can't understand what they're saying.

I'm going to dig up my VHS tapes, I think I have the episode here somewhere.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Never said it was the same G1, just said it was G1.

Yes you did when you made the following post.........

1. In the verry first episode it opens with Optimus Prime watching sceens from G1 Transformers and he mentions that Ratchet was actully there.

This leads me to belive that Ratchet is actully ment to be the original Ratchet

I'd say Animated was set some time between G1 and Beast Wars, before everyone get's down sized sence Maximals and Predacons don't seem to exsist yet

See you did say it.

Allso yes they did show Megatron being built on an assembly line. It was at the end of the episode with A-3 I belive but I'll have to go back and check to be sure.

The episode with A-3 that your talking about is called "Forever Is a Long Time Coming" and to be sure I just watched it and as far as I can see it had no one being built at all.Here watch it..
http://youtube.com/watch?v=EpJtVXc0tHg

The only episode that I can think of that we do see a quint assembly line is one of the parts of "5 faces of darkness" and Megatron was not one of them,Here look.......
http://youtube.com/watch?v=0EvaA59ZhvI

If you can think of which episode you think it is pleses post it so I can find it.I would love to see something in G1 that I havent seen before.

But my guess is that your mistaken about this like you were about the name "Ark" being used in the G1 toon....which it never was.

[Saber Prime]

Never said it was the same G1, just said it was G1.

Yes you did when you made the following post.........

1. In the verry first episode it opens with Optimus Prime watching sceens from G1 Transformers and he mentions that Ratchet was actully there.

This leads me to belive that Ratchet is actully ment to be the original Ratchet

I'd say Animated was set some time between G1 and Beast Wars, before everyone get's down sized sence Maximals and Predacons don't seem to exsist yet

See you did say it.

No that's just how you interpreted it. There's allways more than one way to interpret what someone else is saying. Or at least that seems to be the case whenever I'm involved in the conversation. Either I missinterpret someone else or they missinterpret me.

Allso yes they did show Megatron being built on an assembly line. It was at the end of the episode with A-3 I belive but I'll have to go back and check to be sure.

The episode with A-3 that your talking about is called "Forever Is a Long Time Coming" and to be sure I just watched it and as far as I can see it had no one being built at all.Here watch it..
http://youtube.com/watch?v=EpJtVXc0tHg

The only episode that I can think of that we do see a quint assembly line is one of the parts of "5 faces of darkness" and Megatron was not one of them,Here look.......
http://youtube.com/watch?v=0EvaA59ZhvI

If you can think of which episode you think it is pleses post it so I can find it.I would love to see something in G1 that I havent seen before.

But my guess is that your mistaken about this like you were about the name "Ark" being used in the G1 toon....which it never was.

How'd you manage to find that episode in English? I looked up the title and all I found was the Japanese version of the episode.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

No that's just how you interpreted it. There's allways more than one way to interpret what someone else is saying. Or at least that seems to be the case whenever I'm involved in the conversation. Either I missinterpret someone else or they missinterpret me.

I dont see how anyone could have misinterpreted the following

1. In the verry first episode it opens with Optimus Prime watching sceens from G1 Transformers and he mentions that Ratchet was actully there.

This leads me to belive that Ratchet is actully ment to be the original Ratchet

Maybe you mis-worded what you ment to say.

I cant see how anyone could have taken this statement and thought any different then I did.

If anybody else here thought that Sabe ment anything other then to suggest that Ani Ratchet was the same as "The original" G1 Ratchet please speek up.

How'd you manage to find that episode in English? I looked up the title and all I found was the Japanese version of the episode.

For some reason english G1 episodes are not listed by episode name.

Next time do a search on youtube like this.....

Transformers 3x04 or what ever the season was and the episode number of that season.

5 faces of darkness part 3 would be Transformers 3x03

Now some times you have to guess the episode number because the ones listed arent in the correct airing order but it's the only way I ever find what I'm looking for in english.

[Saber Prime]

If I say the Original Constructicons which version of them would you think I was talking about? The version Megatron Built, the version Megatron Reprogramed, the version that built Megatron, or all of the abouve? They can't all be the original and yet they are.

At any rate the second episode you posted was the one showing the Constructions building Megatron.

Allso there were Autobots running that assemble line.

The episode where Megatron is seen comming off an Assembly line it's fully autimated. There are no other robots in the room, just a convayer belt and a bunch of mechanical claws.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

If I say the Original Constructicons which version of them would you think I was talking about? The version Megatron Built, the version Megatron Reprogramed, the version that built Megatron, or all of the abouve? They can't all be the original and yet they are.

Like I said it can be eazly explained by not taking the words to litterally.Megatron did say that he built the Constructions in the episode "Heavy Metal War" but that could have ment that they built them new bodies.

If he had said "created them" then this explaintion could not be used.

And like I said......it was never said that the Constructions built Megatron.It was implyed by the animation but it was not said.

What was said durring the scene that we see Megatron on a table with the Constructions by his side was that he was "born".

Which is impossible as we know for G1 characters if your going to take the word "born" litterally.Also there were more then 6 Constructions at his side there so it could be nothing more then a animation error....which that 5 part story was full of.

And ether way like you said all of that was showen in the G1 toon so if you said the original Constructions I would assume that you were talking about the G1 toon.

And since there was'nt any other Ratchet that ever showed up in a toon since the original G1 Ratchet its a short list to chose from.

At any rate the second episode you posted was the one showing the Constructions building Megatron.

I know but it was the only episode I could think of that features a Quintason assembly line.If theres an other one like you said please tell me which episode it is.

Allso there were Autobots running that assemble line.

But of course....the Autobots were slave laber.The quints used them to build everything.

The episode where Megatron is seen comming off an Assembly line it's fully autimated. There are no other robots in the room, just a convayer belt and a bunch of mechanical claws.

Well what episode is it????I cant think of a single episode that ever showed this and I'm in the middle of watching all of season 3 right now.

What was the main plot of the episode your talking about......what was going on????

Why did they even mention it???

I'm up to the episode "Fight or Flee" and I still have not seen any thing like what your saying.

Like I said before I think your mistaken like you were about the name "Ark" being used in the G1 toon.

[Saber Prime]

I'm in the middle of looking for it myself. It's been a while sence I seen this and honestly I don't remember what was going on in the episode. I just know it was set in the past and it ended with the creation of Megatron.

Check out 5:14 of this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWangHha5YY What episode is that from? I think that might be the episode we're looking for but I can't tell from this video.

[Dead Metal]

This is stupid,can we get to the Animated show again and not keep on going about trying to put it into G1?
Or talking about an episode of G1 that never existed?

I have a very good memory of such things, and you never see Megatron being created by the Quints!

Also the word Ark was first used in Beast Wars to describe the Autobot ship, cos it was for the Maximals the Ark.
Remember the meaning of the Ark? From that bible story, they used the name ark cos it had the Transformers in it, the Preds and Maxs ancestors, just the Maximals called it the ark, because of it's symbolic meaning for them.

Now back to Animated:

did any of you actually like the Angry Archer?
I kinda liked him, he was quite funny actually and I liked his voice I hope he'll come back in a later eppy.

[Menbailee]

Wow, the discussion over whether this show connects with original G1 timelines has really taken over the thread. Folks, as some here have said, this is a completely new continuity filled with homages for the original. That's different from its existing in continuity with G1, Beast Wars, or anything else. Could people who want to insist that anything can be interpreted any which way please start a different thread? IMO the topic is detracting from the main point of this thread: to discuss the new series in its own right.

On that note, Dead Metal, I hope to see the Angry Archer team up with other supervillains, come up with diabolical plans... and always, always get nabbed within two minutes in a short aside to the episode. As a serious threat, he's no good, but he's great as a foil for the Autobots' heroics.

[Dead Metal]

On that note, Dead Metal, I hope to see the Angry Archer team up with other supervillains, come up with diabolical plans... and always, always get nabbed within two minutes in a short aside to the episode. As a serious threat, he's no good, but he's great as a foil for the Autobots' heroics.

Yes that's what I kinda think he and the rest of the super villains are for, comic relief!
They show up, threaten the Bots and get kicked into outer space, and yes that idea of him teaming up with other is awesome!
Kinda like the sinister six, just they lasted longer.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

This is stupid,can we get to the Animated show again and not keep on going about trying to put it into G1?
Or talking about an episode of G1 that never existed?

I have a very good memory of such things, and you never see Megatron being created by the Quints!

Thank you.

Also the word Ark was first used in Beast Wars to describe the Autobot ship, cos it was for the Maximals the Ark.
Remember the meaning of the Ark? From that bible story, they used the name ark cos it had the Transformers in it, the Preds and Maxs ancestors, just the Maximals called it the ark, because of it's symbolic meaning for them.

Sorry but your a bit mixed up. The name of the Maximals ship was called the Axcelon.

And the name " The Ark" was first used in the Marvel G1 comics way back in 1984 and was the name of the Autobots ship.

Now back to Animated:

did any of you actually like the Angry Archer?
I kinda liked him, he was quite funny actually and I liked his voice I hope he'll come back in a later eppy.

I didnt like him that much but I'm willing to give him one more chance.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

I'm in the middle of looking for it myself. It's been a while sence I seen this and honestly I don't remember what was going on in the episode. I just know it was set in the past and it ended with the creation of Megatron.

Check out 5:14 of this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWangHha5YY What episode is that from? I think that might be the episode we're looking for but I can't tell from this video.

That cant be the one your looking for.

Thats a season 1 episode called "Heavy Metal War" and its the one with the first apperance of the Constructions.

The episode your looking for has tbe be a season 3 episode.

[Saber Prime]

If you go to Cartoon Network's web site and read through the episode list you'll notice there is an episode slated to come out where all the villians of the previous episodes team up agest the Autobots.

As for likeing the Angry Archer, he's an idiot. Exactly what centery is his brain in anyway? I can't tell if he acts like that just because he thinks it's cool or if he actully thinks it's still mideval times.

As for his therie about exscaping from the police by hitching a ride on a fire truck... if it were a real fire truck and not Optimus Prime wouldn't they simply have arrested him when the truck got to the emergency?

[Dead Metal]

This is stupid,can we get to the Animated show again and not keep on going about trying to put it into G1?
Or talking about an episode of G1 that never existed?

I have a very good memory of such things, and you never see Megatron being created by the Quints!

Thank you.

Also the word Ark was first used in Beast Wars to describe the Autobot ship, cos it was for the Maximals the Ark.
Remember the meaning of the Ark? From that bible story, they used the name ark cos it had the Transformers in it, the Preds and Maxs ancestors, just the Maximals called it the ark, because of it's symbolic meaning for them.

Sorry but your a bit mixed up. The name of the Maximals ship was called the Axcelon.

And the name " The Ark" was first used in the Marvel G1 comics way back in 1984 and was the name of the Autobots ship.

I know the Maximals ship was the Axalon, I stated that the Maximals caled the Autobot ship the ark. I never knew that in the old comics it was called the Ark, so much I miss out cos I never read them old ones.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

I know the Maximals ship was the Axalon, I stated that the Maximals caled the Autobot ship the ark. I never knew that in the old comics it was called the Ark, so much I miss out cos I never read them old ones.

Sorry I misunderstood you.

But the comics were great you should try getting the trades.

[Sabrblade]

As for his therie about exscaping from the police by hitching a ride on a fire truck... if it were a real fire truck and not Optimus Prime wouldn't they simply have arrested him when the truck got to the emergency?

I'm pretty sure he would've fled as soon as the truck approached its destination.

And can I just say that this arguement between you and Sto is more fun than cable (well... not really, but you get what I mean).

Also, since you strongly believe Animated and G1 are connected, try this on for size:

The G1 movie and third seaon took place in 2005 and 2006 (2010 in the Japanese version) in the 21st Century. Animated takes place in the 22nd Century. Now we all should know that 1 century = 100 years. If this series was in the same universe as G1, then how could Spike, Carly, and Daniel be alive and well (and youthful) for 100 years without any explanation?

NOTE: the main focus of the question is the Witwickys, not the time period. Someone else already got confused about that and I don't want to mislead anyone again.

[Robinson]

Also, since you strongly believe Animated and G1 are connected, try this on for size:

The G1 movie and third seaon took place in 2005 and 2006 (2010 in the Japanese version) in the 21st Century. Animated takes place in the 22nd Century. Now we all should know that 1 century = 100 years. If this series was in the same universe as G1, then how could Spike, Carly, and Daniel be alive and well (and youthful) for 100 years without any explanation?

NOTE: the main focus of the question is the Witwickys, not the time period. Someone else already got confused about that and I don't want to mislead anyone again.

Cloning

[Sabrblade]

One more thing. Sto, a little bit back you guy were talking about some kind of final battle between the Autobots and Decepticons described in Beast Machines. When exactly in BM do they talk about this battle? I do not remember seeing or hearing anything about that whatsoever.

[Predacon Rampage]

One more thing. Sto, a little bit back you guy were talking about some kind of final battle between the Autobots and Decepticons described in Beast Machines. When exactly in BM do they talk about this battle? I do not remember seeing or hearing anything about that whatsoever.

Wasn't it in the episode with the giant Optimus Prime statue?

[Sabrblade]

I was thinking that too, but all I remember from that is Primal telling Nightscream that Iacon was the old home to the Autobots and that it was abondoned when the Great Upgrade from Autobot to Maximal happened.

[GiraffeSwordsman]

Wow, it was like like five pages of Sto vs. Saber Prime......about time thats over. I liked Angry Archer, and really hope he is in the S.U.V episode.

[X3ROhour]

in my brain pod (which is in no way a way to view anything) i see it like this:

Optimus, Bulkhead, Bee, Prowl, Blitzwing, and maybe even Starscream 9along with the other namesake characters) are a future generation / kids of the G1 dudes.

Way post G1 war, but before Beasts.

i mean, even Prime is obviously younger and less experienced, even though the show is obviously in the future of Earth.

[Nemesis Cyberplex]

The only real problem I had with Archer is his firetruck line.....to me that just echoed something Neil Kaplan (RID Prime) said in an interview awhile back about Prime being a firetruck:

Apparently an 18-wheeler isn't heroic. But hey, they sure can haul them vegetables to the grocery stores.

That just burns me up for some reason. Don't know why.