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Rotf Smoketreader wrote:8:Arcee is too big in bot mode or too little in AltMode.So much for killing g1 in order to address its flaws.Poor effort.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Rotf Smoketreader wrote:Regarding Mass displacement: Axor and Lockdown show that bots of a class needn't be of a height, but Arcee is overdoing it tragically.No reason why one of her two modes shouldn't be the guide for the mass of the other.Starscream is another miserable failure in this department.Don't want a female scout sizer?Fine,but if you're gonna include a scout sizer,include a proper scout sizer or make it obvious that the scout sizer Altmode accomodates more deluxe Bot.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Shadowman wrote:Rotf Smoketreader wrote:Regarding Mass displacement: Axor and Lockdown show that bots of a class needn't be of a height, but Arcee is overdoing it tragically.No reason why one of her two modes shouldn't be the guide for the mass of the other.Starscream is another miserable failure in this department.Don't want a female scout sizer?Fine,but if you're gonna include a scout sizer,include a proper scout sizer or make it obvious that the scout sizer Altmode accomodates more deluxe Bot.
All right, much of that doesn't make any sense. But in any case, Megatron and Soundwave are not only still the worst offenders, but also the first ones. They were two of the taller Decepticons, who could shrink small enough for a human to handle. Prowl is a more recent and very similar example. he turns into a crotch rocket like Arcee, but unlike Arcee, he's one of the taller Autobots. Arcee is at least much smaller than the rest of the Autobots.
G1 Smoketreader wrote:Regarding Mass displacement: Axor and Lockdown show that bots of a class needn't be of a height, but Arcee is overdoing it tragically.No reason why one of her two modes shouldn't be the guide for the mass of the other.Starscream is another miserable failure in this department.Don't want a female scout sizer?Fine,but if you're gonna include a scout sizer,include a proper scout sizer or make it obvious that the scout sizer Altmode accomodates more deluxe Bot.
Twitchythe3rd wrote:
Your applying toy size classes to a tv show? I don't think that really applies.
Like Shadowman said, blantant size changing has been a part of the mythos since the early days of G1. Arcee changing size between human-sized motorcycle and shorter-than-Bumblebee robot isn't something to be complained about.
G1 Smoketreader wrote:Yes,you're right,Twitchythe3rd, but this is 2011.Tf-making Technology has advanced a great deal,as has telephone communication technology between departments.
The Axor and Lockdown toys NULLIFY the old practise of Bots of a size needing to be the same height, is what I'm saying,as has the death of G1 removed the reason for stupid sizing to be reinstalled into the Mythos, so I'm not entirely convinced Arcee needed such a dramatic mass shift in the existing state of TF design.
G1 Smoketreader wrote:From existing working models (toys),the tech levels of which will only advance with time, they had customizable reasons (& working templates) to either explain or legitimately design why she gets so little or why she grows so big and ignored both.
G1 Smoketreader wrote:But I'm talking about Arcees' two modes on screen, using toy line references just as measuring references.
G1 Smoketreader wrote:Toys can be made in any class from Legion to Masterclass,
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Shadowman wrote:
What are you talking about? Axor and Lockdown? Are you trying to apply toy design to character design? Because it doesn't work that way.
Because otherwise she'd be extremely tiny. I would say eight feet tall would be a fairly liberal estimate.
Seriously? It doesn't work that way. If they used toylines as a base, she'd either turn into a massive motorcycle or she'd be small enough to consider a mini-con.
Those aren't TF toy sizes.
G1 Smoketreader wrote:1)Where the hell do you see me talking about character design? I'm talking about Arcees stupid size designed by two idiots who require everyone watching the show to pretend to be a dumbass so they can get paid for being succesful.Gimme a break,Shadow.
G1 Smoketreader wrote:3)It works this way: Use MASS as a base.Or this way:Use Intellect as a base.
Or this way: Look at the WORKING MODELS in the toylines to design Arcees onscreen transformation.If she needs to either inflate or stow away,look amongst the toylines to find examples of Toys that can make her onscreen Transformation more realistic.Otherwise,change the Altmode.Is that so difficult to comprehend?
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Shadowman wrote:G1 Smoketreader wrote:1)Where the hell do you see me talking about character design? I'm talking about Arcees stupid size designed by two idiots who require everyone watching the show to pretend to be a dumbass so they can get paid for being succesful.Gimme a break,Shadow.
This entire discussion is about Arcee's design. Arcee is a character. Hence, character design.
Second, I find it very cute you're criticizing the animators for this issue that every series suffers from. (Animated Prowl turning from a motorcycle about Arcee's size to one of the taller Autobots, WfC Megatron turning into a Tank that he could comfortably fit inside of, Frenzy turning into a cellphone several times smaller than his head, basically every piece of kibble in Beast Wars, Beast Machines in general, and, of course, G1 Megatron and Soundwave) Calling them "unprofessional" "idiots" "dumbasses," etc. etc. While at the same time ignoring every other instance of this occurring in every piece of the franchise.
G1 Smoketreader wrote:3)It works this way: Use MASS as a base.Or this way:Use Intellect as a base.
Or this way: Look at the WORKING MODELS in the toylines to design Arcees onscreen transformation.If she needs to either inflate or stow away,look amongst the toylines to find examples of Toys that can make her onscreen Transformation more realistic.Otherwise,change the Altmode.Is that so difficult to comprehend?
The characters were designed before the toys. They can't take design elements that were A) Didn't exist at the time and B) based off of their own work anyway.
Second, it's pretty apparent they aren't going for realism in these designs.
G1 Smoketreader wrote:Can we talk about the Human sidekicks now or do I need more correctional education?
G1 Smoketreader wrote: ....and how can anyone argue with that last line?
G1 Smoketreader wrote:The Axor model perhaps didn't exist but the 2 Animated toys and the Classics toy surely did.
G1 Smoketreader wrote:(My God, I'm in a debate where I'm supposed to both defend and justify my view of Arcees' mass to people who will readily criticize the same show for a different reason.Is this for real?.Is her mass displacement,like,a tribute to G1 that I have to worship or something?).
G1 Smoketreader wrote:This is 2011.
G1 Smoketreader wrote:The mass displacement thing doesn't need to be an issue anymore.There were ways around it without the need for references to existing toys.Sheesh!
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Shadowman wrote:G1 Smoketreader wrote:Can we talk about the Human sidekicks now or do I need more correctional education?
The second one.
It's only an issue because you're making it be one. Not everyone is bothered by this factor, nor even cares about it (nor has to care about it). It's not as big a deal your making it out to be.G1 Smoketreader wrote:The mass displacement thing doesn't need to be an issue anymore.
I see this term used repeatedly by such and such forum memebers here. Is Vince's name really that tricky to remember?G1 Smoketreader wrote:So: the Racer Kid
I really hope not. If she's got a grudging history with Arcee, it better be something different from "You left me for dead, I mutated and joined the enemy, and now you're gonna pay!"Twitchythe3rd wrote:So, anyone want to bet the Blackarachnia story from Animated is going to get re-used for Blackar.....I mean "Airachnid" in this weeks episode?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
G1 Smoketreader wrote:(He makes a derogatory comment about BB to Jack just before Bee drives off, something like "Not with a panel car").
Lorekeeper wrote:G1 Smoketreader wrote:(He makes a derogatory comment about BB to Jack just before Bee drives off, something like "Not with a panel car").
I thought he said "pedal car," like a little kid's car toy....
Sabrblade wrote:It's only an issue because you're making it be one. Not everyone is bothered by this factor, nor even cares about it (nor has to care about it). It's not as big a deal your making it out to be.G1 Smoketreader wrote:The mass displacement thing doesn't need to be an issue anymore.
Twitchythe3rd wrote:So, anyone want to bet the Blackarachnia story from Animated is going to get re-used for Blackar.....I mean "Airachnid" in this weeks episode?
Red 50 wrote: Twitchythe3rd wrote:So, anyone want to bet the Blackarachnia story from Animated is going to get re-used for Blackar.....I mean "Airachnid" in this weeks episode?
Highly possible.
SJ21 wrote:Red 50 wrote: Twitchythe3rd wrote:So, anyone want to bet the Blackarachnia story from Animated is going to get re-used for Blackar.....I mean "Airachnid" in this weeks episode?
Highly possible.
Agreed. But I hope not.
I don't like it when beast modes show up in a show about alien robots using disguises to blend in with their surroundings. Are there any 20-foot tall spiders running around somewhere on Earth? Who are you fooling. It wouldn't be such a big deal, but "Prime" is really playing up the idea of the Transformers being secretive and hidden from humans.
Twitchythe3rd wrote:SJ21 wrote:Red 50 wrote: Twitchythe3rd wrote:So, anyone want to bet the Blackarachnia story from Animated is going to get re-used for Blackar.....I mean "Airachnid" in this weeks episode?
Highly possible.
Agreed. But I hope not.
I don't like it when beast modes show up in a show about alien robots using disguises to blend in with their surroundings. Are there any 20-foot tall spiders running around somewhere on Earth? Who are you fooling. It wouldn't be such a big deal, but "Prime" is really playing up the idea of the Transformers being secretive and hidden from humans.
With the new promo, it's looking like Blackarachnia (it's basically her, i'm not going to use the actual name) is going to be yet another one-episode character. She might not die like Skyquake did, but I doubt she'll stick around after "Predatory". If she does, i'll be suprised.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
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