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How do we know that the flashbacks took place on Cybertron? They could have been elsewhere on another colony world after the Great Exodus.SJ21 wrote:Why did she have a spider alt mode when she was on Cybertron? That makes no sense.
she assumes her normal Robot Mode at least twice on Earth. Once when we first see her on Earth, and then again when she's realized that Jack went inside her ship and she enters from its "back door" of sorts.SJ21 wrote:I agree with Red 50. I think her alt mode is when she was walking around on her spider legs. When she was interrogating Arcee she is walking on her regular legs. Then when she was on Earth there were no normal legs, just the spider legs.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
SJ21 wrote:Why did she have a spider alt mode when she was on Cybertron? That makes no sense.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Laserbeak yes and Ravage maybe, but in this series, Ratbat may not have been a bat on Cybertron since he's most based off of his IDW Senator portrayal.Shadowman wrote:SJ21 wrote:Why did she have a spider alt mode when she was on Cybertron? That makes no sense.
Laserbeak, Ravage, and Ratbat were all Earth animals before coming to Earth.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Laserbeak yes and Ravage maybe, but in this series, Ratbat may not have been a bat on Cybertron since he's most based off of his IDW Senator portrayal.Shadowman wrote:SJ21 wrote:Why did she have a spider alt mode when she was on Cybertron? That makes no sense.
Laserbeak, Ravage, and Ratbat were all Earth animals before coming to Earth.
Though, this is true for the G1 Marvel Comics versions of the these three (the cartoon only ever showed Laserbeak's pre-Earth form).
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Sabrblade wrote:How do we know that the flashbacks took place on Cybertron? They could have been elsewhere on another colony world after the Great Exodus.
Sabrblade wrote:she assumes her normal Robot Mode at least twice on Earth. Once when we first see her on Earth, and then again when she's realized that Jack went inside her ship and she enters from its "back door" of sorts.
Shadowman wrote:Laserbeak, Ravage, and Ratbat were all Earth animals before coming to Earth
SJ21 wrote:Well, it didn't make sense back in the '80s either. I know in the first episode of G1, Laserbeak had a Cybertronian alt mode. It looked pretty much like a bird with a rounder head and wings, but it was different. I don't think Ravage appeared in the cartoon until everyone was on Earth, and I know Ratbat didn't. I am basing this solely on the cartoon. I didn't read the comics.
In Marvel G1, while Ravage/Laserbeak/Buzzsaw/Ratbat all had animal forms on Cybertron, they all spoke and thought normally as any intellectuals would.Lorekeeper wrote:This has always been a sticking point for me, too, (along with the basic transformers' "humanoid" shape.) There are two distinct possibilities as I reason it: (1) Parallel "evolution," or (2) organic contact. In scenario (1), many forms of Cybertronian life developed, with more than one "species" developing human-like intelligence. The humanoid/vehicle Transformers were the dominant species, largely driving the other species out of competition. In scenario (2), the Transformers came in contact with organic Earth-like ecologies at several points in their history, influencing various Transformers' primary and alternate modes.
[I won't even get into (2b), organic origins of the Transformers: (2bi) ala Beast Machines or (2bii) ala Starriors.]
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Red 50 wrote:When is the next episode gonna be out?
psj333 wrote:Shadowman, earlier, you've said that Airachnid did not have a beast mode, despite her organic appearance. However, after I've seen her in Predatory I'm now almost certain that she may be most likely a helicopter, based on her design. You can clearly see Airachnid's spider legs form together into a rotor's middle knob on her back, and you can also see spiderweb-like window patterns on her shoulders that will form a cockpit. Obviously, she'll be some sort of stealth attack helicopter. It's just that in this continuity, Transformers apparently need to scan something before they can transform (I blamed Bay and his writers for this idiocy, as if TFs couldn't transform on Cybertron...), just as with Skyquake, Airachnid couldn't transform (also due to budgetary reasons) until she scans a helicopter.
Her 'Lolth mode' is just an intermediate mode, sort of like BM Jetstorm's 'nolegs' mode (the toy's, that is).
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
psj333 wrote:Shadowman, earlier, you've said that Airachnid did not have a beast mode, despite her organic appearance. However, after I've seen her in Predatory I'm now almost certain that she may be most likely a helicopter, based on her design.
psj333 wrote:You can clearly see Airachnid's spider legs form together into a rotor's middle knob on her back, and you can also see spiderweb-like window patterns on her shoulders that will form a cockpit. Obviously, she'll be some sort of stealth attack helicopter.
psj333 wrote:It's just that in this continuity, Transformers apparently need to scan something before they can transform (I blamed Bay and his writers for this idiocy, as if TFs couldn't transform on Cybertron...), just as with Skyquake, Airachnid couldn't transform (also due to budgetary reasons) until she scans a helicopter.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
psj333 wrote:But according to many different source, everybody is speculating that Airachnid's alt-mode is most likely some type of aircraft
psj333 wrote:since spiders don't fly.
psj333 wrote:As for Saberblade, you said that Airachnid is a spider-humanoid. I strongly disagree with that. First of all, there are no Predacons in Transformers: Prime as of yet. Secondly, Airachnid is a Decepticon, which means that Airachnid is a robot.
psj333 wrote:As referring to Airachnid's humanoid appearance, I somewhat agree with this, since that many Transformers did have different humanlike appearance.
psj333 wrote:Lastly, it's impossible that Airachnid did not have an alt-mode, whether beast or vehicle, but in my knowledge, every robot in the Transformers universe must have their own alt-mode to transform into, which is why these robots got their Transformers trademark name from.
psj333 wrote:Therefore, I'm certain that Airachnid did indeed has an alt-mode, although we still don't know which one.
psj333 wrote:If you still don't agree with me, then please feel free to comment below and tell me about what's right about it.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
psj333 wrote:Shadowman,let me clear up of some of the points that you've just made earlier. First of all, I just want to let you know that the sources that I've got about Airachnid's alt-mode are certainly not from Wikipedia, rather are from members of forums of various Transformers related sites, concerning the possible speculation of Airachnid's true alt-mode. And it seems to me that almost all had the same answer: a helicopter, which most likely suggests part of her name, "Air" may be most likely to describe her flight mode.
psj333 wrote:Secondly, you mentioned that some Transformers took the forms of vehicles, animals, insects, and tools. Those forms that these robots took are actually disguises, which is the main reason why Transformers are always called "Robots In Disguise".
psj333 wrote:Lastly, you've stated that I said that a Transformer must scan an Earth vehicle or a animal to Transform into his or her alt-mode. I believe that you somewhat missing this whole point here. I didn't really say that.
psj333 wrote:It's just that in this continuity, Transformers apparently need to scan something before they can transform (I blamed Bay and his writers for this idiocy, as if TFs couldn't transform on Cybertron...), just as with Skyquake, Airachnid couldn't transform (also due to budgetary reasons) until she scans a helicopter.:
psj333 wrote:So far, I've never ever seen a Transformer that only has a robot mode without his or her alt-mode. If that's the case, then this robot wouldn't be called a Transformer now, would he?![]()
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Speculation =/= truth.psj333 wrote:But according to many different source, everybody is speculating that Airachnid's alt-mode is most likely some type of aircraft, whether helicopter or not, since part of her name is Air and not Ar, since spiders don't fly.
I meant as of right now! She is currently a humanoid spider. She came to Earth in that form and is still in the form. I did not say that she will stay in that form, but I see no reason for her to change it. Being the kind of person that she is, she has no reason to assume an Earthen disguise.psj333 wrote:As for Saberblade, you said that Airachnid is a spider-humanoid. I strongly disagree with that.
I never said she was a Predacon. Predacons are not the only Decepticons and turn into animals.psj333 wrote:First of all, there are no Predacons in Transformers: Prime as of yet.
I was referring to her altmode being a spider/humanoid hybrid.psj333 wrote:Secondly, Airachnid is a Decepticon, which means that Airachnid is a robot.
She HAS an altmode. She walks on her spider legs in her altmode, and then walks on normal bipedal legs in her Robot Mode. She just spent more time in her altmode than she did in her Robot Mode in the episode.psj333 wrote:Lastly, it's impossible that Airachnid did not have an alt-mode, whether beast or vehicle,
What about Action Masters?psj333 wrote:but in my knowledge, every robot in the Transformers universe must have their own alt-mode to transform into, which is why these robots got their Transformers trademark name from. Otherwise, they wouldn't be called Transformers now, would they?
I've said it again and again. The form that has her walking on her spider legs is her altmode, and the form in which she walks on two regular legs is her Robot Mode. She was briefly seen in her Robot Mode at least two times in the episode.psj333 wrote:Therefore, I'm certain that Airachnid did indeed has an alt-mode, although we still don't know which one. If you still don't agree with me, then please feel free to comment below and tell me about what's right about it.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Shadowman wrote:
Alpha Trion was never shown with an Alt-Mode...
psj333 wrote:Shadowman, if you really think that her spider/humanoid alt-mode is her alt-mode, then let me ask you this: It is also possible that Airachnid may also have a vehicle mode as well.
psj333 wrote:If that is the case, then the question for you is are there any Transformers that have a combination of both vehicle and beast alt-modes? If so, name them.![]()
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Shattered Glass Alpha Trion definitely had an altmode. Why, he even had a full transformable toy! And, he's slaggin' evil and murderously crazy.Rodimus2006 wrote:Alpha Trion has never had an Alt-Mode in any of the series he was thier mentor thier creator and advisor from the Key To Vector Sigma he merged with and OP uses the Key to cummincate with AT for advice.
AT was also the reason they beat the Quints in G1 and also he created OP and Elita-1 then later helped with the Aerieal Bots.
I hope we get to see AT & Elita-1 in Prime.
In addition to the Transmetals (what Shadowman said), there's also:psj333 wrote:If that is the case, then the question for you is are there any Transformers that have a combination of both vehicle and beast alt-modes? If so, name them.![]()
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
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