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Im suprised nobody has mentioned that big ass Cybertron Starscream figure that got a platinum reissue a few years back...

ZeroWolf wrote:

Ultra Markus wrote:i always thought the g1 fortress/grand/brave maximus had the ultimate play-ability factor and has not ever been topped! now heres hoping that with POTPs we get a titan scorponok or omega supreme that will

We are only getting titan class predaking with potp...though what titan class we get with war for cybertron is the question we can look forward to answering. My money is on omega supreme as the last couple of titan classes have been cons, and devy needs his rival.

fortress maximus needs his rival too and would be the last of the citybots to be made
i think there shouldn't be any reason why we shouldn't get Scorponok with POTP
Omega Supreme i would think would be appropriate for War for Cybertron because of the fact hes an original guardian
but the powers that be make the decisions and we have to go along with it

Rated X wrote:Im suprised nobody has mentioned that big ass Cybertron Starscream figure that got a platinum reissue a few years back...

I have both and really love them. However, the mold lose points for being a simple upscale of the voyager. Having better articulations and panels to hide the hollows of the legs would have helped a lot.

...Well, some 3P did it, but it's MP scaled.

Randomhero wrote:Didn’t Overlord have the title of biggest decepticon till TR trypticon came out?

I seem to recall Hasbro saying that RotF Devastator was (up to that point) the biggest Decepticon released. How does he (and CW Devastator, for that matter) actually stack up size-wise?

Zeedust wrote:

Randomhero wrote:Didn’t Overlord have the title of biggest decepticon till TR trypticon came out?

I seem to recall Hasbro saying that RotF Devastator was (up to that point) the biggest Decepticon released. How does he (and CW Devastator, for that matter) actually stack up size-wise?

I'm surprised Overlord didn't make the list or at least an honorable mention
He was big he was fun and had a base mode that rivaled scorponok and Fortress Maximus

Rated X wrote:Im suprised nobody has mentioned that big ass Cybertron Starscream figure that got a platinum reissue a few years back...

Why would that toy be mentioned when only looking at the best?

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Honourable mentions: Quite a few actually. Even though there are fewer giant Transformers than any other size class, the few that get approved are usually very good. As you can see, none of the Metroplexes are there and that is simply because I do not find that any of them have had a decent alt mode thus far that doesn't just look like them in some odd pose.

This makes no sense. G1 Fort max looks like he's either laying down, or laying down and about ready to do sit-ups.

I wouldn't have put him at number one, but I would've had G1 Metroplex on this list. His transformations and alternate modes are a lot better than Fort Max's.

So Metroplex should replace Fortress Maximus because one of his alt modes is him laying on his back when both of Metroplex's alt modes is literally him sitting down (just one has his legs upside down)?



Plus he really is a surprisingly small figure.

Emerje

Ultra Markus wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

Ultra Markus wrote:i always thought the g1 fortress/grand/brave maximus had the ultimate play-ability factor and has not ever been topped! now heres hoping that with POTPs we get a titan scorponok or omega supreme that will

We are only getting titan class predaking with potp...though what titan class we get with war for cybertron is the question we can look forward to answering. My money is on omega supreme as the last couple of titan classes have been cons, and devy needs his rival.

fortress maximus needs his rival too and would be the last of the citybots to be made
i think there shouldn't be any reason why we shouldn't get Scorponok with POTP
Omega Supreme i would think would be appropriate for War for Cybertron because of the fact hes an original guardian
but the powers that be make the decisions and we have to go along with it

The main reason we're not getting another titan class for the line is that it's ending this year so that war for cybertron can begin at the very beginning of next year...unless we're very lucky and get the new releases early like what happened in the past. We must certainly will get a scorponok in the next three years* it's just patience we need now.

*well as certain as I can be disregarding factors out of my control like hasbro throwing us a curve ball with an unexpected titan of some sort.

Emerje wrote:

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Honourable mentions: Quite a few actually. Even though there are fewer giant Transformers than any other size class, the few that get approved are usually very good. As you can see, none of the Metroplexes are there and that is simply because I do not find that any of them have had a decent alt mode thus far that doesn't just look like them in some odd pose.

This makes no sense. G1 Fort max looks like he's either laying down, or laying down and about ready to do sit-ups.

I wouldn't have put him at number one, but I would've had G1 Metroplex on this list. His transformations and alternate modes are a lot better than Fort Max's.

So Metroplex should replace Fortress Maximus because one of his alt modes is him laying on his back when both of Metroplex's alt modes is literally him sitting down (just one has his legs upside down)?



Plus he really is a surprisingly small figure.

Emerje

Maybe he forgot how the G1 looked and confused it with the TR version. Because G1 Fortmax's city mode is a COMPLETE transformation.

-Kanrabat- wrote:Maybe he forgot how the G1 looked and confused it with the TR version. Because G1 Fortmax's city mode is a COMPLETE transformation.

I think he's referring to his battle station/space battleship mode which isn't much more than laying him flat on his back and flipping around the tower halves.



And hey, even though Scorponok's city mode is just laying on his back with his legs split and his arms in the air he does a better job of hiding his bot features than Metroplex possibly could which to me secures Scorponok's place on the list over Metroplex.

You are right though, a lot of people don't seem to realize just how compact and fully transformed Fort Max is in city mode.

Emerje

I'm surprised CW Devastator didn't make the list. I think he's the most poseable of the Titan-Class figures Hasbro/TT has released.

BATTLEMASTER IIC wrote:I'm surprised CW Devastator didn't make the list. I think he's the most poseable of the Titan-Class figures Hasbro/TT has released.

Combiners don't count because they are not a single bot.

-Kanrabat- wrote:Combiners don't count because they are not a single bot.

Bah! Technicalities

I would disagree with you about the original Metroplex toy's altmodes looking more like him in awkward pose, Will. The Cybertron incarnation (if you count him as giant enough)? Kinda. The Titan-class one's city mode? Abso-slagging-lutely. But not the G1 version's. The G1 version is also quite a delight to play with and arm in robot mode (For example, you can get delightfully ridiculous by plugging Slammer in as an arm cannon on one arm, and have him hold the entirety of Six-Gun as a huge cannon with the other). And he has playset value, having been designed to act as one for the "Scramble City"-type combiners like Bruticus and Superion to the point of even having attachment ports for the limbs (Poor planning on HasTak's part that the Titan one didn't have CW limb ports in the same spots, IMO). I find that his battleship mode looks good carrying the Aerialbots.


I think G1 Overlord is worth honorable mention, and perhaps even being on the list in Energon Omega Supreme's stead. Plenty of gimmick and playset value, plenty of weapons.. And he's the one and only citybot designed for Powermasters.

TR Fort Max also deserves honorable mention in my opinion. His city and battleship modes are a bit lacking compared to the original, but he gives an alright playset for the modern versions of the Autobot Headmasters, and benefits from the major-league articulation upgrade compared to the original if one wants to arm him with some form of his sword.

Also, why would you say Trypticon's main mode is his city mode? His main mode - his robot mode - is the Tyrannosaurus mode. He's like Soundwave's animal cassettes in that regard.

Rated X wrote:Im suprised nobody has mentioned that big ass Cybertron Starscream figure that got a platinum reissue a few years back...

Ah, him. Well, I'm certainly glad his aft wasn't on the list! I own him and I'm fond of him and all, but he is a contender for worst giant Transformers toy. Design-wise he's a scale-up of the Voyager version - whose articulation was merely passable (at best) - and the only substantial improvement made is that his pectoral cannons can actually move. Meaning his articulation is barely better than G1 Scorponok. Beyond that... His electronic light-up eyes are the wrong color. His paint is "eh" for a Supreme class figure, and the US releases of some of the toys in the same line took an accuracy hit (key type for a few, and color-wise for the Voyager version. Which was also relegated to a 2-pack with Vector Prime rather than getting a single release) to try and make him more special, since he was released waaaay before Starscream got giant in-show. Not that that effort helped much, he still shelfwarmed for quite a while because most people still wrote him off as an obnoxiously oversize novelty before the giant size was reflected in the show. I know I had no desire for him whatsoever before I finally got to see the second half of the series.

Emerje wrote:

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Honourable mentions: Quite a few actually. Even though there are fewer giant Transformers than any other size class, the few that get approved are usually very good. As you can see, none of the Metroplexes are there and that is simply because I do not find that any of them have had a decent alt mode thus far that doesn't just look like them in some odd pose.

This makes no sense. G1 Fort max looks like he's either laying down, or laying down and about ready to do sit-ups.

I wouldn't have put him at number one, but I would've had G1 Metroplex on this list. His transformations and alternate modes are a lot better than Fort Max's.

So Metroplex should replace Fortress Maximus because one of his alt modes is him laying on his back when both of Metroplex's alt modes is literally him sitting down (just one has his legs upside down)?



Plus he really is a surprisingly small figure.

Emerje

Nope. there's a lot[/] more to Metroplex's transformation. there's unfolding his legs, spinning his upper body around, unfolding chunks of it, moving around his arms and sliding one back. [i]Maybe his battle-station mode, but that's still a lot more complex than Fort Max doing his daily exercises.

ZeroWolf wrote:

Ultra Markus wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

Ultra Markus wrote:i always thought the g1 fortress/grand/brave maximus had the ultimate play-ability factor and has not ever been topped! now heres hoping that with POTPs we get a titan scorponok or omega supreme that will

We are only getting titan class predaking with potp...though what titan class we get with war for cybertron is the question we can look forward to answering. My money is on omega supreme as the last couple of titan classes have been cons, and devy needs his rival.

fortress maximus needs his rival too and would be the last of the citybots to be made
i think there shouldn't be any reason why we shouldn't get Scorponok with POTP
Omega Supreme i would think would be appropriate for War for Cybertron because of the fact hes an original guardian
but the powers that be make the decisions and we have to go along with it

The main reason we're not getting another titan class for the line is that it's ending this year so that war for cybertron can begin at the very beginning of next year...unless we're very lucky and get the new releases early like what happened in the past. We must certainly will get a scorponok in the next three years* it's just patience we need now.

*well as certain as I can be disregarding factors out of my control like hasbro throwing us a curve ball with an unexpected titan of some sort.

POTP barely got off the ground and now your saying it will end next year? i would think it would have lasted as long as TR besides they didnt give us Trypticon until the very end anyway
hopfuly they will throw us that curve ball

Ultra Markus wrote:POTP barely got off the ground and now your saying it will end next year? i would think it would have lasted as long as TR besides they didnt give us Trypticon until the very end anyway
hopfuly they will throw us that curve ball

No, they already announced that POTP is only 4 waves. They wanted to start a new year with a new line rather than having the new line start in the middle of the year. The only thing left to reveal are exclusives.

I hope they reveal a Titan for WFC that will actually make this list.

Well, I think Fortress Maximus' altmodes are still alright, esp. the city mode. And he has a lot of fun value thanks to all the play features (ramps, launchers, a freakin' elevator, turrets, etc). But how you can see the original Metroplex toy's city mode just as him "just sitting down"? That... That is mind-boggling. Half his torso has folded out, one of his arms is behind his back and pointing up, and he has assorted towers attached to him. And there's plenty of interactivity to this mode too. Smaller robots can use the upper garage. His kneecaps become turrets that his rifles mount to to be used by "Scramble City"-type limb robots, and his unfolded legs have spots certain base modes can hook to.

You want to talk giant robots whose altmode looks like them in an awkward pose? Go look at Diaclone's Fortress X and Great Robot Base.

Too bad Black Zarak suffered from GPS, otherwise I might try to argue for him taking Scorponok's place. Owned G1 Metroplex & Trypticon at one time, but would have liked to have Scorponok, Fort Max or Overlord (if I had found out about him sooner).

kurthy wrote:

Ultra Markus wrote:POTP barely got off the ground and now your saying it will end next year? i would think it would have lasted as long as TR besides they didnt give us Trypticon until the very end anyway
hopfuly they will throw us that curve ball

No, they already announced that POTP is only 4 waves. They wanted to start a new year with a new line rather than having the new line start in the middle of the year. The only thing left to reveal are exclusives.

I hope they reveal a Titan for WFC that will actually make this list.

Hopefully waves 3 and 4 will have certain figures in desperate need of an update
But I'm also excited for what WFC will bring

Ultra Markus wrote:

kurthy wrote:

Ultra Markus wrote:POTP barely got off the ground and now your saying it will end next year? i would think it would have lasted as long as TR besides they didnt give us Trypticon until the very end anyway
hopfuly they will throw us that curve ball

No, they already announced that POTP is only 4 waves. They wanted to start a new year with a new line rather than having the new line start in the middle of the year. The only thing left to reveal are exclusives.

I hope they reveal a Titan for WFC that will actually make this list.

Hopefully waves 3 and 4 will have certain figures in desperate need of an update
But I'm also excited for what WFC will bring

Here's 2 articles to get you caught up along with the discussion thread for it before someone starts yelling about the thread.

https://www.seibertron.com/transformers ... con/39484/

https://www.seibertron.com/transformers ... ges/40301/

I strongly encourage further discussion in that thread.

Stay here if you want to keep talking about the content of Will's top 5.

kurthy wrote:

Ultra Markus wrote:

kurthy wrote:

Ultra Markus wrote:POTP barely got off the ground and now your saying it will end next year? i would think it would have lasted as long as TR besides they didnt give us Trypticon until the very end anyway
hopfuly they will throw us that curve ball

No, they already announced that POTP is only 4 waves. They wanted to start a new year with a new line rather than having the new line start in the middle of the year. The only thing left to reveal are exclusives.

I hope they reveal a Titan for WFC that will actually make this list.

Hopefully waves 3 and 4 will have certain figures in desperate need of an update
But I'm also excited for what WFC will bring

Here's 2 articles to get you caught up along with the discussion thread for it before someone starts yelling about the thread.

https://www.seibertron.com/transformers ... con/39484/

https://www.seibertron.com/transformers ... ges/40301/

I strongly encourage further discussion in that thread.

Stay here if you want to keep talking about the content of Will's top 5.

i already know about those and it seems we are not seeing everything that will be coming out
but whatever

william-james88 wrote:As you can see, none of the Metroplexes are there and that is simply because I do not find that any of them have had a decent alt mode thus far that doesn't just look like them in some odd pose./][/url]

I kinda like Generations Metroplex's "rolling aircraft carrier" mode, even if they could have dealt with the arms better. (But I would agree that his base mode is terrible.)

Megatron Wolf wrote:Not even a mention of supreme cheetor, i dont care what anybody says that toy is still great. He may be simple but both modes are screen accurate and hes a solid figure.

The only list that thing's gonna make is "top 5 Figures that can't stand up".

Zeedust wrote:

Megatron Wolf wrote:Not even a mention of supreme cheetor, i dont care what anybody says that toy is still great. He may be simple but both modes are screen accurate and hes a solid figure.

The only list that thing's gonna make is "top 5 Figures that can't stand up".

Or 'top five broken promises', since IIRC he's not really all that show-accurate.

When it comes to Metroplex it really doesn't matter how many little things you do to get him into his modes when the first thing that comes to mind when looking at either mode is "a sitting robot". The only big difference between both of his alt modes is how his legs are positioned. The minor looking differences in his alt modes don't compare to the radical differences in both of Fort Max's and Scorponok's alt modes. That's why they're on the list and Metroplex isn't.

For the record I own both the Japanese Encore Metroplex and Japanese Generation (Titan) Metroplex, I don't have a problem with the figures outright, I just agree with Will that they aren't better than the 5 on this list.

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:

Zeedust wrote:

Megatron Wolf wrote:Not even a mention of supreme cheetor, i dont care what anybody says that toy is still great. He may be simple but both modes are screen accurate and hes a solid figure.

The only list that thing's gonna make is "top 5 Figures that can't stand up".

Or 'top five broken promises', since IIRC he's not really all that show-accurate.

No, but he was more show accurate than the only other Cheetor mold we had for several years before we (accidentally) got something better (though too short to fit with BM figures).




But Supreme Cheetor pulls off the technorganic look better than any other BM Cheetor does.

Emerje