The Energon Pub

[Yotsuyasan]

Well said, Yatsuya, good post.

Thank you kindly!

I hope they do sell out...but I hope I can get one. I hope it encourages them to take more risks like this.

Indeed. I may not have a place in my collection for a Titan Devastator, but I'd love a Titan Tripticon to face off against Metroplex, and perhaps also Omega Supreme, Fort Max, and Scorponok. Basically, bring on the city-bots! (No idea where the hell I'd find the space for 'em all, though! I barely found a spot for Metroplex! )

*brofist*

[shajaki]

[Autobot032]

That sounds like the first guy who reviewed AOE Leader Optimus and Grimlock.

lol

[william-james88]

That sounds like the first guy who reviewed AOE Leader Optimus and Grimlock.

lol

I remember that!

[Optimizzy]

Indeed. I may not have a place in my collection for a Titan Devastator, but I'd love a Titan Tripticon to face off against Metroplex, and perhaps also Omega Supreme, Fort Max, and Scorponok. Basically, bring on the city-bots! (No idea where the hell I'd find the space for 'em all, though! I barely found a spot for Metroplex! )

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Oh man. I would totally go for a trypticon!!

[Deathsaurus1]

I'm sorry but those third party devastators aren't worth it.
hasbro all the way!

[william-james88]

Let me know if I am the only one but in my anticipation for this figure (it would be the first devastator I have ever owned aside from a G2 mixmaster), I am using these pics to get an idea of how he will transform and how it all connects. The mistransformation helps see what parts are being used actually. For example, it would seem that Longhaul has a waist swivel but I am still trying to figure out how his lower legs transform from torso to robot mode since his feet are in the back but his lower legs are in the front of Devy and actually envelope over both legs. Its a tiny bit more complex than I thought. Just having some fun and wanted to know if anyone else was thinking the same thing.

[Zeedust]

It's like the Cybertronian version of Akira!

[Rated X]

This is flamebait, pure and simple. X, you can voice your opinion without offending others. The part I bolded above is certainly unnecessary and stuff like that needs to be omitted in the future.

How is throwing a few quirky jokes that contain absolutely no profanity into my comments offensive? Are we adults here, or are we 5 year olds? Is there really anyone on this site that is about to break into tears because I made fun of Hasbro Devastator?

No one mentioned profanity. I'm not sure why you're bringing that up. You're twisting what I said and the problem is, your twists don't provide you what you need to keep this argument going. No one's about to cry, either. You can make fun of Devastator all you want, others have, it's the people you mention while doing so that's the problem. And you know it. You've already been in trouble several times for this kind of behavior, why continue?

Just because someone can't afford 3rd party doesn't make them cheap. Just because it was designed with kids in mind doesn't make it cheap.

In my comment I specifically mentioned “parents of 5 year olds” being cheap. I never attacked Transformers collectors of any income. I stand by my statement about parents being cheap because they know most little boys break their toys.

Oh, really? None of the Transformers collectors on this board are parents? None of the casual fans and families that read this message board and website aren't parents? Really? If the posters with kids started lining up to prove you wrong, I'd bet you'd find the number surprising.

Also, we cater to fans, casual fans and non fans with our site and boards. People come here for news and gift ideas, people come here to find out about the movies, parents of 5 year olds (whom you deem cheap) come here with their kids.

The kind of post you put up here could push people away or make them think all Transformers fans think as you do and that's just not the case and your statement was offensive. You could've made the same point without calling the parents of children cheap. How you overlooked the fact that us fans are parents too is baffling. But it also tells me you just want to post attacks towards people and expect nothing in return.

This has always been a line of TOYS, aimed at CHILDREN, made for CHILDREN, we are a distant 2nd place in terms of importance when one designs these items.

Newborn babies come right out of the whom with knowledge of G1 Devastator, Metroplex, and other 30 year old characters, right? I think collectors actually have a great amount of influence in the creation of the CHUG lines. Combiner Wars is proof of that. There’s always a kiddie line like RID, TF Prime, Animated, or simplified movie toys released every year for the kids on the shelves in much larger quantities. The reason CHUG still exists in its evolving forms is because of adult collectors. It is my personal opinion that the day we stop buying, CHUG is done.

Wow, strawman argument much? That newborn babies line, I'll have to remember that when I'm at a loss for words and want to derail a thread whenever possible. Or, I could just go with facts behind me and let the truth play out. Might give that a try, eh?

As for CHUG being done once we stop buying? Yeah, I believe that's a solid possibility, no one said otherwise though. And Combiner Wars is still simplified enough that kids can enjoy it too. If it weren't for lines such as RID, we wouldn't have the funding for lines such as Combiner Wars. Hasbro uses cheap molds and ideas so the proceeds can fuel others. Kids will always come first and be the most important in Hasbro's eyes. Without kids, this line wouldn't exist.

This thing is so ugly, i am SO glad i purchased the Giant type-61. I'd rather sacrifice the size vs. The hollowness, cheap plastic and overall ugly prosthetic look of this thing

Now, see? This is how a person should post an opinion. It's about the item itself and not those who would buy it. Everyone, please take note of this post and how to share your opinions in the future.

Now see? This is an opinion on how a person should post an opinion…

Some people like their chicken wings plain and bland. For me that is really boring. I like to throw on some hot sauce. I totally understand a staff member stepping in if profanity or personal insults become an issue. But should they really be stepping in and attacking people who don’t type comments in dull, robotic jargon? If everyone spoke like G1 Perceptor, these forums would be a total snoozefest.

G1OPT1MU5PR1M3 posted an opinion of just Devastator, not the people buying it. (He did that later on.) You posted an opinion of Devastator (fine, allowed) and mentioned cheap parents buying it (not fine, not allowed) and that's where you crossed the line. You know you did, you know what you did wrong, you just refuse to admit it because it's the hip and cool thing to be fighting the establishment. Problem is, there's such a thing as civil disobedience and you're less than civil in almost all of your interactions on here. So no, my post was not opinion, it was FACT. You can post about an item and your dislike of it, leave people out of it.

I didn't attack you at all, not even once. Point me in the direction of a post in this thread in which I attacked you, personally. Please. Dig it up. Use the search feature and look for my posts. Find me ONE that shows a personal attack against you. You won't find a single one. Not. One.

No one's asking anyone to be dull and robotic, see there again you have to make more out of something than there is... We're asking you (and everyone!) to be polite and respectful towards one another and calling people cheap is not respectful or polite. That's not spicing things up, that's abusing the rules and disregarding others.

You prefer 3rd party over Hasbro's Devastator? That's great. That's your right, that's your personal opinion, you're welcome to it and can even share it. You think parents (that DOES include fans and collectors) are cheap for buying it? Not welcome to share it, keep it to yourself.

I shouldn't even have to explain this to you, you know better, you just choose to do this.

If I’m “fighting the establishment” as you say, then that would make YOU and YOUR OPINIONS the establishment, wouldn’t it?

I think not…

Your opinions on “civil disobedience” will always will always your opinions, not fact. I don’t think you or anyone else on here wrote the book on internet etiquette. Are you a modern day Emily Post?

I did not personally attack anyone by name here. Yeah I said “cheap parents” which is a not calling out any user names. It’s a GENERAL group. I’m not calling a particular user name or insinuating something that implies to a particular user. Instead of saying “cheap parents” I could have said “cheap flying squirrels from Mars”. But by your philosophy, I’ve still offended a general group of potential Seibertron.com users. Who decides which groups are off limits? Your philosophy on offending general groups is way too vague to ever be effectively implemented as a site rule.

Furthermore, if someone on this site happens to be a parent, but they know they are not cheap, then why would they find my comment offensive? Maybe a parent who is cheap and knows it would get offended simply because the truth hurts. So if the shoe fits wear it.

I’ve been subjected to plenty of insults, flamebait, and trolling from site members and mods alike. And never once have I cried about their comments being too offensive. It’s just not my nature. I laugh if off and hit reply. I’m never at a loss for words. I’m good at what I do and I can rumble with the best of them.

I’m not going to get into the whole “straw man” accusation. It’s a very opinionated term.

Kids only know about G1 what we adults tell them. What kids see currently on TV and Bay movies will always supersede G1 when they think of Transformers. We don’t have CHUG because of kids. Kids have a chance to enjoy CHUG because of us. And just because the MP line is finally starting to blossom in the American market, doesn’t mean that CHUG is not an adult collector oriented line. CHUG was MP before the MP line as we know it today even existed. CHUG is the original adult collector oriented line.

You really want to know how you personally attacked me? You made a big deal out of the “cheap parents” comment. Who cares that you omitted the name “Rated X” from your post? You knew I was the one who made the “cheap parents” comment and you attacked it. By attacking it, you attacked me because I said it. You might as well have just typed “Rated X” in your post. I’m like the only one on the last few pages of this thread making fun of Hasbro Devastator. (before G1OPT1MU5PR1M3 posted) There was no group of Hasbro Devy haters to address when you went on your etiquette rant, just me.

I mentioned profanity and personal insults because they are really the only two definitive things that are “offensive” on internet forums. Everything else is just a matter of opinion. You say no one is about to cry over my comment? Then exactly what are you doing?

I got nothing against you personally Autobot32. Just learn the difference between fact and opinion. I’ve been told that here many times, so now I’m passing it on to you.

[Optimizzy]

Honestly, I get tired of people who feel that they are entitled to close minded and self centered opinions. You don't really have a right to that. Nor do you have a right to be exclusive to elements of the fandom. You can keep posting Rated X about how you have a right to say what you want, and that's cool I guess. But none of what you say justifies your attitude so I'd just stop if I were you. Personally I'm not going to really value your opinions in the future. I hate being like that because I think most opinions have value but I really think you try to troll people. It's just annoying dude. So let's stop.

[fenrir72]

One of you guys taught me this urban slang. TL DR. The creativity of people to be both PC and snarky.

[fenrir72]

Let me know if I am the only one but in my anticipation for this figure (it would be the first devastator I have ever owned aside from a G2 mixmaster), I am using these pics to get an idea of how he will transform and how it all connects. The mistransformation helps see what parts are being used actually. For example, it would seem that Longhaul has a waist swivel but I am still trying to figure out how his lower legs transform from torso to robot mode since his feet are in the back but his lower legs are in the front of Devy and actually envelope over both legs. Its a tiny bit more complex than I thought. Just having some fun and wanted to know if anyone else was thinking the same thing.

Longhaul sort of reminds me of the short guy in Games of Thrones. Kind of lovable. A bit concerned about those elbows of his. Extra care in handling I guess.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Let me know if I am the only one but in my anticipation for this figure (it would be the first devastator I have ever owned aside from a G2 mixmaster), I am using these pics to get an idea of how he will transform and how it all connects. The mistransformation helps see what parts are being used actually. For example, it would seem that Longhaul has a waist swivel but I am still trying to figure out how his lower legs transform from torso to robot mode since his feet are in the back but his lower legs are in the front of Devy and actually envelope over both legs. Its a tiny bit more complex than I thought. Just having some fun and wanted to know if anyone else was thinking the same thing.

To me, it looks like from robot to torso, his knees do a 90 degree bend naturally, then the bottom part at the ankle turns 90 degrees the opposite direction with the feet moving on a hinge from bottom of foot down to bottom of foot facing inside towards one another. That's what I'm seeing out of this

[shajaki]

[VonDoom]

On this figure-
This figure is awesome the '1st' modern G1 Devastator ever and is on my want list.

On the subject of 3rd party-
From my understanding unless its Hasbro, Takara or licensed from them they are NOT a part of the Transformers brand merely simulations/knock-offs (not saying they aren't nice and tempting to buy) so how does collecting them make you a "hardcore" Transformer collector? Which begs an interesting question what defines 3rd party over another company making transforming toys like Roadbots? Is it appearance only (must look like existing character) or something else?

Please do not take this as a dig against those that collect 3rd party I'm merely curious as from what I've seen it's fairly unique to the Transformers fandom as friends of mine who collect Star Wars, Star Trek, GI-Joe etc. keep to licensed products and don't consider buying anything not official and when they do it's just for boosting displays (my GI-Joe collecting friend loves getting Corps as generic troopers) but he doesn't consider them GI-Joes. Rambling done.

[Sabrblade]

Currently there is no definitive Devastator.

Sure there is!





Note: Not my pic.

[VonDoom]

Currently there is no definitive Devastator.

Sure there is!





Note: Not my pic.

I love the Landfill gestalt didn't realise he was done in these colours. The individual figures were great (except for Grimlock) Hightower remains one of my favourite molds ever as he looks badass, rifle, pistol, stern grimace what is not to love.

[Yotsuyasan]

At the risk of derailing the thread slightly...

On the subject of 3rd party-
From my understanding unless its Hasbro, Takara or licensed from them they are NOT a part of the Transformers brand merely simulations/knock-offs (not saying they aren't nice and tempting to buy) so how does collecting them make you a "hardcore" Transformer collector?

Well, speaking only for myself, my collection is mainly official product, and what third party items I have exist to augment the official collection. It started with add-on parts to augment official products, such as the good ol' example of Fansproject's City Commander set, which took the official Classics Ultra Magnus, which was just a white and blue repaint of Classics Prime, and turned him into the figure he should have been. Or, for a more recent example, Before & After's Six Sigma set, which adds to Metroplex, who only came with Scamper, by also providing Sig-Gun and Slammer.

Eventually, third parties started noticing gaps in what Hasbro was offering: characters popular with "hardcore" fandom that Hasbro wasn't producing. So they then started producing whole figures to fill those gaps. There was a demand, and if Hasbro wasn't going to offer the supply, then they would. This touches on another question you asked:

Which begs an interesting question what defines 3rd party over another company making transforming toys like Roadbots? Is it appearance only (must look like existing character) or something else?

With very few exceptions, it is appearance that is key. If a figure looks like, say, Huffer or Shockwave, and is being marketed as, "Totally not that transforming robot character you all know and love! Nudge nudge, wink wink, say no more!" Then it is a third party Transformer. Anything else is just another company making transforming toys.

But to get back to full figures... There are those who disagree and say, "I want the best version of a character possible, and I don't care who makes it!" But my feelings are that third party products should be used to augment an official collection of Hasbro and/or Takara figures. Now, with add-ons and accessories, this is no problem. Without the official figures, they don't really do much. But with full figures, it is a little more grey.

Personally, if Hasbro or Takara have announced intentions to produce a figure for a certain character, or have already done so within the past four or five years, then third parties should consider that character off limits. Because third parties should not put themselves in direct competition with the official products.

If both an official version and a third party version do exist (or are known to be soon to exist) when I am planning a purchase, then I am buying the official version. If I happen to buy a third party version before an official one is announced, however, then that is the one time where (once the Hasbro version is known to be coming) I may be willing to say, "Ah, well, Hasbro lost this round." For example, my lack of intentions to pick up Combiner Wars Devastator is related to the fact that I already own and am happy with Green Giant, and I don't feel that the Combiner Wars version would be a better addition to my collection, especially for the projected costs involved.

On the other hand, though, I did already have Warbot Defender, and was happy to get Generations Springer. In that case, it was a better figure for a minimal investment. But if it had happened the other way around, if Generations Springer had come out first, and if Warbot Defender had happened to be a better figure and even if I could somehow get it for a low cost... then, well, tough. There is already an official figure, so no need for a third party version even if it is hypothetically better. I'm not trading my Universe Galvatron for Mania King any time soon, because in my opinion Mania King had no business being made in the first place.

Again, this is just how I view third parties and how they integrate into my official Transformers collection. I am sure others are of varying other opinions on the matter.

[Rated X]

Honestly, I get tired of people who feel that they are entitled to close minded and self centered opinions. You don't really have a right to that. Nor do you have a right to be exclusive to elements of the fandom. You can keep posting Rated X about how you have a right to say what you want, and that's cool I guess. But none of what you say justifies your attitude so I'd just stop if I were you. Personally I'm not going to really value your opinions in the future. I hate being like that because I think most opinions have value but I really think you try to troll people. It's just annoying dude. So let's stop.

I think I was fair in my above response. The world does not revolve around my opinions. With that being said, my life doesn't revolve other peoples opinions either. What one person might consider rude in one society, might be totally acceptable in another. This is a very diverse crowd of posters. You cant please everybody. If we could, then we have a MLP website.

[Burn]

*wanders into thread*

Hey guys what'd I miss while I enjoyed a nice day out?

oh ...

*wanders out of thread*

[megatronus]

As much as I dislike the individual robot articulation, the combined mode is becoming more alluring over time.

I assume PE or some other 3rd Party will release some sort of upgrade, and I'm interested to see what that might look like.



Also,

*wanders into thread*

Hey guys what'd I miss while I enjoyed a nice day out?

oh ...

*wanders out of thread*

[Burn]

As much as I dislike the individual robot articulation, the combined mode is becoming more alluring over time.

I think it's safe to say the primary design goal was the combined mode. Individuals are secondary, might also explain why he's being sold in a set rather than individuals. They know that individually they just wouldn't be appealing, plus you don't have the Scramble City factor.

[Crimson Prime]

If this figure wasn't being released I probably wouldn't buy a Devastator figure, he was cool and all but not a focus of my own collection. While I do own a fair amount of third party none of the available ones grabbed my attention like this through factors of size, overall look and price this wins out, now to find a way to combine 3 sets of him into one and take on one of the third parties with their upgrade kit hahahaha.

[fenrir72]

Honestly, I get tired of people who feel that they are entitled to close minded and self centered opinions. You don't really have a right to that. Nor do you have a right to be exclusive to elements of the fandom. You can keep posting Rated X about how you have a right to say what you want, and that's cool I guess. But none of what you say justifies your attitude so I'd just stop if I were you. Personally I'm not going to really value your opinions in the future. I hate being like that because I think most opinions have value but I really think you try to troll people. It's just annoying dude. So let's stop.

I think I was fair in my above response. The world does not revolve around my opinions. With that being said, my life doesn't revolve other peoples opinions either. What one person might consider rude in one society, might be totally acceptable in another. This is a very diverse crowd of posters. You cant please everybody. If we could, then we have a MLP website.

So the summary of this all thread derailment is:

1. Hasbro products el cheapo.
2. Not my scale.
3. I'm not buying this.

It seems like this three talking points have been presented by you for the upteenth time in various threads all over.

Funny that you now borrow my description of you as being the center of all attention. That the world revolves around you. But you are now using it in reverse (back then you called it an insult iirc so I'm kind of flattered you got the point). You opine that you can't please everyone and that you have the right to post whatever you want (within the fine line of the sites rules). Fine. We are all entitled to ours. No argument there.

Yet as you seem like a very confident collector/individual. You have a kick @ss collection yourself yet you seem to have the never ending insatiable need to always have to validate your existence and your opinions in the site. And in nearly every single thread that doesn't fit your preference.

Why don't you just post you opinions in your sig and be done with it. Make it like Rated X's motto and save the site some grief.

[Burn]

*walks in*
crud ... it's still going on.
I can see my emails blowing up while I try to sleep just like today while I was trying to watch Fast and the Furious 7.
*walks out*