OK good. At first I didn't know what the HE!! you were sayin'.shajaki wrote:*edited for horrendous nonsensical structure*
OK good. At first I didn't know what the HE!! you were sayin'.shajaki wrote:*edited for horrendous nonsensical structure*
Burn wrote:Agamemnon wrote:Let's get back to talking about Burn's mammoth snout flopping...
Well I am Australian. It's kinda what we're known for.
Sabrblade wrote:Expensive.Rodimus Prime wrote:william-james88 wrote:JJ wrote:...we actually looked at six Leader scale construction vehicles and it was absolutely crazy!...
That...would have been...
And probably even simpler than the one we got.
Cobotron wrote:OK good. At first I didn't know what HE!! you were sayin'.shajaki wrote:*edited for horrendous nonsensical structure*
yeah. good thing i have a tendency to re-read my posts. first day back on early shift. wakin up at 5AM has repercussions to my forum functionality apparentlyCobotron wrote:OK good. At first I didn't know what HE!! you were sayin'.shajaki wrote:*edited for horrendous nonsensical structure*
SlyTF1 wrote:Can't wait. Now, will he combine in the way of the Combiner Wars figures, or is Hasbro reverting back to the less effective ways of combining?
zatara1701 wrote:I think Devy looks great...all this talk bout durability, design, etc..sheesh, cant we wait till we have it in our hands?? Its a 18" Tall Devestator that doesnt cost $600+ so Im good
And Mixmaster...they have him facing the wrong way on display at Toy Fair and he is based on a REAL WORLD mixer...granted, I had never seen one like it till someone posted a pic on here during the "wheres his cab" debate. My thanks to whomever enlightened us, and bravo, you were spot on brother!!
Cobotron wrote:shajaki wrote:why are you here? you werent supposed to read all that!Cobotron wrote:You just dropped a big fly incrusted turd in my Cheerios. Breakfast is ruined. THANKS!
I actually agree with a lot of what you sad.
Its all very telling of the times. The engineering has come leaps and bounds, but Hasbro has to deal with staying afloat in today's market. Price points, price points, price points! Price of gas, Price of doing business, yadda yadda and a hey hey hey.
The engineering has progressed, but the quality has most certainly regressed. We all have been seeing it over the last year. Since the Prime line. Heck! Since Cybertron quality has really gone down hill.
I actually, in a way, kind of sympathize with Hasbro. It's probably a hard place to be in. The designers want to go all out, but in the end, TRU, Target, and all the retailers hold all the cards. I'd like to be a fly on the wall just to see the reactions from the designers every time the get a revision due to cost issues. I bet they are pissed. which also means ultimately, they are on our side.It's true. It's really unfortunate that this is the area they had to choose to cut back on.shajaki wrote:ive been enjoying posable TF's (and combiners) since late G2 and BW. why would i except less in 2015? these guys dont look like much more than blown up legends figures.
You didn't really poop in my Cheerios, just in your pants while we ate breakfast together, buddy.
Desslok2201 wrote:I'm glad someone came out and said it instead of dancing around it. The quality IS down on domestic TFs. I've gone almost exclusively to the MP line because of it, and I'm actually saving money. I hope that an MP Devy is on the way, because corners are not cut very often in that line, and I'm sure that will be amazing. I was really into this Devy when it first appeared at Nuremburg, but the more I see the less I like. The bowl of Cheerios is starting to look like cat litter instead.
Agreed. I can't speak for alot of Animated and Prime toys. I only have a smattering of both. The Ani toys seem solid to me, but the Prime toys I own feel thin. Now, I enjoy all of these toys.william-james88 wrote:But its hit and miss
the Japanese market doesn't have the cost and pricing restrictions the Western market has. You'll notice that the prices of say deluxe class toys tend to fluctuate based on their production cost. Every deluxe here has to hit a price point.Takara versions of the generations line really feel and look superior. If those releases replaced the ones we are getting, I dont think we'd be having this same discussion.
I whole heartedly agree, and am pleasantly relieved.Lastly, I find the Combiner War deluxes a huge improvement over the quality we are discussing. Decent paint apps, nice plastic, and hefty toys.
Burn wrote:Agamemnon wrote:Let's get back to talking about Burn's mammoth snout flopping...
Well I am Australian. It's kinda what we're known for.
I own Metroplex and only kinda like him. He is simple, yes, but that's not entire why I'm not too impressed by him. It's more of, because he's so simple and hollow, and because he has modern day levels of articulation, he's too unstable to properly play with. He bends over and falls over too easily with so much weight in his upper body making him quite top-heavy. and his altmodes are less than convincing enough, even if the same could be said about the G1 toy.william-james88 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Expensive.Rodimus Prime wrote:william-james88 wrote:JJ wrote:...we actually looked at six Leader scale construction vehicles and it was absolutely crazy!...
That...would have been...
And probably even simpler than the one we got.
Metroplex was also quite expensive (though a little cheaper than Devastator) and insanely simple. So simple that Fort Max, who is a G1 toy, has a more complex city transformation. The part I dont get is how he seems to have only been praised while this guy here gets scorned. Did he get a similar reaction initially? I myself still dont own him and dont wish to own him just because as a transformers toy, he really doesnt do much for me.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Close, but not quite right. He is top heavy, but the weight isn't the issue, its the hip and knee joints, they a stupidly weak. The upgrade knees that guy over on TFW sells make that painfully clear. After I installed them they could handle the weight in ANY pose you care to think of (within reason ) but the hips collapsed EVERY time. I keep hoping that someone will make new hip parts so we can pose Metro properly. Guess it is more proof of Hasbro's joint quality dropping.Sabrblade wrote:I own Metroplex and only kinda like him. He is simple, yes, but that's not entire why I'm not too impressed by him. It's more of, because he's so simple and hollow, and because he has modern day levels of articulation, he's too unstable to properly play with. He bends over and falls over too easily with so much weight in his upper body making him quite top-heavy. and his altmodes are less than convincing enough, even if the same could be said about the G1 toy.
Even though Fort Max is far more of a brick by comparison, he's far superior a Citybot. Sorry Metroplex, but having stupendous articulation is no good without proper stability.
william-james88 wrote:So that would also be the case for Predaking, who is also six members.
Arctorro wrote:Close, but not quite right. He is top heavy, but the weight isn't the issue, its the hip and knee joints, they a stupidly weak. The upgrade knees that guy over on TFW sells make that painfully clear. After I installed them they could handle the weight in ANY pose you care to think of (within reason ) but the hips collapsed EVERY time. I keep hoping that someone will make new hip parts so we can pose Metro properly. Guess it is more proof of Hasbro's joint quality dropping.Sabrblade wrote:I own Metroplex and only kinda like him. He is simple, yes, but that's not entire why I'm not too impressed by him. It's more of, because he's so simple and hollow, and because he has modern day levels of articulation, he's too unstable to properly play with. He bends over and falls over too easily with so much weight in his upper body making him quite top-heavy. and his altmodes are less than convincing enough, even if the same could be said about the G1 toy.
Even though Fort Max is far more of a brick by comparison, he's far superior a Citybot. Sorry Metroplex, but having stupendous articulation is no good without proper stability.
Sabrblade wrote:I own Metroplex and only kinda like him. He is simple, yes, but that's not entire why I'm not too impressed by him. It's more of, because he's so simple and hollow, and because he has modern day levels of articulation, he's too unstable to properly play with. He bends over and falls over too easily with so much weight in his upper body making him quite top-heavy. and his altmodes are less than convincing enough, even if the same could be said about the G1 toy.william-james88 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Expensive.Rodimus Prime wrote:william-james88 wrote:JJ wrote:...we actually looked at six Leader scale construction vehicles and it was absolutely crazy!...
That...would have been...
And probably even simpler than the one we got.
Metroplex was also quite expensive (though a little cheaper than Devastator) and insanely simple. So simple that Fort Max, who is a G1 toy, has a more complex city transformation. The part I dont get is how he seems to have only been praised while this guy here gets scorned. Did he get a similar reaction initially? I myself still dont own him and dont wish to own him just because as a transformers toy, he really doesnt do much for me.
Even though Fort Max is far more of a brick by comparison, he's far superior a Citybot. Sorry Metroplex, but having stupendous articulation is no good without proper stability.
Except that those two could pass for being MPs due to their extremely high levels of complexity and realism found common in most MPs. These? Not so much.chuckdawg1999 wrote:I still think these will see release as MP figures in Japan since DOTM Starscream and Bumblebee were released as MP figures there as well. Do I think they'll sell? Not sure.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Except that those two could pass for being MPs due to their extremely high levels of complexity and realism found common in most MPs. These? Not so much.chuckdawg1999 wrote:I still think these will see release as MP figures in Japan since DOTM Starscream and Bumblebee were released as MP figures there as well. Do I think they'll sell? Not sure.
Delta Magnus wrote:Yeah. I can see a Masterpiece Devastator happening but this ain't it.
Honestly I wish Takara would take over with the toy engineering side again. Hasbro have been doing it long enough and they've produced some right stinkers (even Takara's amazing advert couldn't sell me on 1-step changers).
Right. Hasbro usually comes up with the designs, while Takara engineers them. Though, there are exceptions. The MPs and Generations Arcee are examples of Takara having full control over the designs being a good thing. However, there is the other end of the spectrum, in which Takara has produced some highly unorthodox designs, like the Beast Wars Neo toys, the new-mold Car Robots toys, and the most recent examples (offenders?) of the Swordbots from Transformers Go!.william-james88 wrote:Delta Magnus wrote:Yeah. I can see a Masterpiece Devastator happening but this ain't it.
Honestly I wish Takara would take over with the toy engineering side again. Hasbro have been doing it long enough and they've produced some right stinkers (even Takara's amazing advert couldn't sell me on 1-step changers).
As far as I know Takara just gave the designing duties to Hasbro but they retained the engineering. They engineer all of Hasbro's Transformer products. Sabr, could you correct me if I am wrong.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Right. Hasbro usually comes up with the designs, while Takara engineers them. Though, there are exceptions. The MPs and Generations Arcee are examples of Takara having full control over the designs is a good thing. However, there is the other end of the spectrum, in which Takara has produced some highly unorthodox designs, like the Beast Wars Neo toys, the new-mold Car Robots toys, and the most recent examples (offenders?) of the Swordbots from Transformers Go!.william-james88 wrote:Delta Magnus wrote:Yeah. I can see a Masterpiece Devastator happening but this ain't it.
Honestly I wish Takara would take over with the toy engineering side again. Hasbro have been doing it long enough and they've produced some right stinkers (even Takara's amazing advert couldn't sell me on 1-step changers).
As far as I know Takara just gave the designing duties to Hasbro but they retained the engineering. They engineer all of Hasbro's Transformer products. Sabr, could you correct me if I am wrong.
While Takara is capable of producing good things like the MPs and Arcee, they tend to more often come up with designs of the more unorthodox variety.
AHHHH! Some of my favorites! I might have to check out the GO! stuff, then.Sabrblade wrote:Takara has produced some highly unorthodox designs, like the Beast Wars Neo toys, the new-mold Car Robots toys,
Burn wrote:Agamemnon wrote:Let's get back to talking about Burn's mammoth snout flopping...
Well I am Australian. It's kinda what we're known for.
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